I like it when people claim they know what the Koran says, esspecially people who don't speak arabic.
OMGZOR THEY'RE SOOO CRUEL!!! Oh Wait... they're at war.
Because its never been translated of course. And all the copies of the Bible are still in Hebrew...jonsimon wrote:
I like it when people claim they know what the Koran says, esspecially people who don't speak arabic.
OMG THEY CAN EVERYONE NOW because they're at war. noob.Vampira_NB wrote:
OMGZOR THEY'RE SOOO CRUEL!!! Oh Wait... they're at war.
It's really easy to blame all muslims for what some muslims do.Miller wrote:
Go watch an Alquada (sp?) video, do you think that they don't enjoy what they did to US troops? Civilians? Get a brain here, the Islamic bible specifically states to kill infidels (any people who do not convert to Islam). Their god isn't one of peace and wanting balance like the Jewish want and believe in, but Allah is a god that wants everyone to die. These people enjoy the killing of infidels. We have to strike back in order to survive, kill, or be killed.
Hitler blamed all jews for what his father did to him, and look how that went.
Arabic doesn't translate literally. And most people that claim the Koran says such and such, are merely regurgitating what someone else told them. What I know of the Koran I've learned from Arabs, my Mother who knows Arabic, and a History Channel special.Jainus wrote:
Because its never been translated of course. And all the copies of the Bible are still in Hebrew...jonsimon wrote:
I like it when people claim they know what the Koran says, esspecially people who don't speak arabic.
Heck, the Koran isn't truely a single book. It was passed down through memory only for generations before it was ever written.
This is all true, but flash burns typically burn the ONE side of the body facing the blast.Jainus wrote:
Incorrect. Whilst you're right that normal fire will burn the hair, flash burns are exactly what it sounds like; a incredible burst of heat that will char the skin but still could hair intact depending on which way the victim is facing in relation to the heat source.jonsimon wrote:
And about the chemical weapons, the proof they are not burns from typical flames is the intact hair. While a normal fire would burn all the hair off, chemical weapons like white phosphorus (napalm) do not incinerate hairs.
Flash burns like this would be caused by close proximity to a bomb blast, or missile detonation. Either way, the link and the picture do not provide any conclusive proof that the burns are from chemical weapons. What i would like to see is a medical test on those bodies to see what chemicals were left on the burnt skin and in what quantities.
Do we know if they were burned all the way around?
ahem , ahem. its starts with a Q.jonsimon wrote:
Arabic doesn't translate literally. And most people that claim the Koran says such and such, are merely regurgitating what someone else told them. What I know of the Koran I've learned from Arabs, my Mother who knows Arabic, and a History Channel special.Jainus wrote:
Because its never been translated of course. And all the copies of the Bible are still in Hebrew...jonsimon wrote:
I like it when people claim they know what the Koran says, esspecially people who don't speak arabic.
Heck, the Koran isn't truely a single book. It was passed down through memory only for generations before it was ever written.
So whilst other people who don't speak Arabic can't know what it means because they've only been told about it, you are safe in the knowledge that you can't speak Arabic and you've only been told about it from your mother, your Arabic friends (who I'm assuming are Muslims at this point) and the History Channel... the difference if you please?jonsimon wrote:
Arabic doesn't translate literally. And most people that claim the Koran says such and such, are merely regurgitating what someone else told them. What I know of the Koran I've learned from Arabs, my Mother who knows Arabic, and a History Channel special.
Heck, the Koran isn't truely a single book. It was passed down through memory only for generations before it was ever written.
And worse, "It was passed down through memory only for generations before it was ever written" so entirely possible that what has come down to us in book form is not the original Koran at the beginning? And what has been written may not be "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth"? Same argument applies to all knowledge handed down by word of mouth (the Bible for example)
And speaking of the Bible, are you now going to tell the Christians and those people who have read the Bible that they don't know what their talking about because its not in its original language? No language will translate 100% into another but to write people off as uninformed because they have read a translation seems a little hasty no? About as hasty as it is to right them off without the first clue where they have got their information from.
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I had a friend who, through his own stupidity (read 5 gallons of gas in a fire pit plus match) suffered from flash burns and it burnt just about every exposed area on his body, even the side that was facing away from the blast.HM1{N} wrote:
This is all true, but flash burns typically burn the ONE side of the body facing the blast.Jainus wrote:
Incorrect. Whilst you're right that normal fire will burn the hair, flash burns are exactly what it sounds like; a incredible burst of heat that will char the skin but still could hair intact depending on which way the victim is facing in relation to the heat source.jonsimon wrote:
And about the chemical weapons, the proof they are not burns from typical flames is the intact hair. While a normal fire would burn all the hair off, chemical weapons like white phosphorus (napalm) do not incinerate hairs.
Flash burns like this would be caused by close proximity to a bomb blast, or missile detonation. Either way, the link and the picture do not provide any conclusive proof that the burns are from chemical weapons. What i would like to see is a medical test on those bodies to see what chemicals were left on the burnt skin and in what quantities.
Do we know if they were burned all the way around?
No we don't from that source which is my point. We asked for evidence and were given that link which by itself proves nothing. With only one picture we can't see the full extent (now there's a sick phrase, "i can't see the full horror and i want to") of the injuriesHM1{N} wrote:
This is all true, but flash burns typically burn the ONE side of the body facing the blast.Jainus wrote:
Incorrect. Whilst you're right that normal fire will burn the hair, flash burns are exactly what it sounds like; a incredible burst of heat that will char the skin but still could hair intact depending on which way the victim is facing in relation to the heat source.jonsimon wrote:
And about the chemical weapons, the proof they are not burns from typical flames is the intact hair. While a normal fire would burn all the hair off, chemical weapons like white phosphorus (napalm) do not incinerate hairs.
Flash burns like this would be caused by close proximity to a bomb blast, or missile detonation. Either way, the link and the picture do not provide any conclusive proof that the burns are from chemical weapons. What i would like to see is a medical test on those bodies to see what chemicals were left on the burnt skin and in what quantities.
Do we know if they were burned all the way around?
As a Christian I will say that I know the Bible has been "sanitized". While not OK IMO, it's all I have to go on.Jainus wrote:
So whilst other people who don't speak Arabic can't know what it means because they've only been told about it, you are safe in the knowledge that you can't speak Arabic and you've only been told about it from your mother, your Arabic friends (who I'm assuming are Muslims at this point) and the History Channel... the difference if you please?jonsimon wrote:
Arabic doesn't translate literally. And most people that claim the Koran says such and such, are merely regurgitating what someone else told them. What I know of the Koran I've learned from Arabs, my Mother who knows Arabic, and a History Channel special.
Heck, the Koran isn't truely a single book. It was passed down through memory only for generations before it was ever written.
And worse, "It was passed down through memory only for generations before it was ever written" so entirely possible that what has come down to us in book form is not the original Koran at the beginning? NA d what has been written may not be "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth"? Same argument applies to all knowledge handed down by word of mouth (the Bible for example)
And speaking of the Bible, are you now going to tell the Christians and those people who have read the Bible that they don't know what their talking about because its not in its original language? No language will translate 100% into another but to write people off as uninformed because they have read a translation seems a little hasty no? About as hasty as it is to right them off without the first clue where they have got their information from.
I would like to know where the rest of the Gospels went though.
It's funny how people can still say Israel isn't targeting civilians, Israel is not stopping aid, only supplies from Iran and Syria to Hezbollah.
LOL. NOT...
The Red Cross just reported that Israel is violating the Geneva Conventions (what's new with that country) and is stopping aid supplies. They won't let help get to the Lebanese people.
They have bombed all roads leading in and out of Lebanon.
They have told people they can't drive there or they will get bombed.
They stopped aid ships trying to get to the port with their Navy.
They killed 8 mourners (who were burying the dead from the previous day), and wounded 33 other civilians.
And
They continue to reduce the country of Lebanon to rubble, killing everyone who is there...now the Israeli PM is saying they are going to expand the offensive in Lebanon. This only a week after he said only Southern Lebanon is what they are going after to "create a buffer zone".
It really IS genocide.
Front page, CNN.
LOL. NOT...
The Red Cross just reported that Israel is violating the Geneva Conventions (what's new with that country) and is stopping aid supplies. They won't let help get to the Lebanese people.
They have bombed all roads leading in and out of Lebanon.
They have told people they can't drive there or they will get bombed.
They stopped aid ships trying to get to the port with their Navy.
They killed 8 mourners (who were burying the dead from the previous day), and wounded 33 other civilians.
And
They continue to reduce the country of Lebanon to rubble, killing everyone who is there...now the Israeli PM is saying they are going to expand the offensive in Lebanon. This only a week after he said only Southern Lebanon is what they are going after to "create a buffer zone".
It really IS genocide.
Front page, CNN.
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HM1, you are making so much sense I'll have to karma you again tomorrow.
of course the hezzies using red cross/crescent vehicles to transport supplies and troops is in no way out of line and couldn't have anything to do with the IDF stopping them
tragic yes, blame hezzbollah
tragic yes, blame hezzbollah
There is a picture of a red cross truck with a big hole smack dab in the middle of the cross.HM1{N} wrote:
It's funny how people can still say Israel isn't targeting civilians, Israel is not stopping aid, only supplies from Iran and Syria to Hezbollah.
LOL. NOT...
The Red Cross just reported that Israel is violating the Geneva Conventions (what's new with that country) and is stopping aid supplies. They won't let help get to the Lebanese people.
They have bombed all roads leading in and out of Lebanon.
They have told people they can't drive there or they will get bombed.
They stopped aid ships trying to get to the port with their Navy.
They killed 8 mourners (who were burying the dead from the previous day), and wounded 33 other civilians.
And
They continue to reduce the country of Lebanon to rubble, killing everyone who is there...now the Israeli PM is saying they are going to expand the offensive in Lebanon. This only a week after he said only Southern Lebanon is what they are going after to "create a buffer zone".
It really IS genocide.
Front page, CNN.
And now this, btw thanks JonSimon,jonsimon wrote:
There is a picture of a red cross truck with a big hole smack dab in the middle of the cross.HM1{N} wrote:
It's funny how people can still say Israel isn't targeting civilians, Israel is not stopping aid, only supplies from Iran and Syria to Hezbollah.
LOL. NOT...
The Red Cross just reported that Israel is violating the Geneva Conventions (what's new with that country) and is stopping aid supplies. They won't let help get to the Lebanese people.
They have bombed all roads leading in and out of Lebanon.
They have told people they can't drive there or they will get bombed.
They stopped aid ships trying to get to the port with their Navy.
They killed 8 mourners (who were burying the dead from the previous day), and wounded 33 other civilians.
And
They continue to reduce the country of Lebanon to rubble, killing everyone who is there...now the Israeli PM is saying they are going to expand the offensive in Lebanon. This only a week after he said only Southern Lebanon is what they are going after to "create a buffer zone".
It really IS genocide.
Front page, CNN.
Israel just attacked (WITHOUT PROVOCATION AND FOR NO APPARENT REASON) a Palestinian REFUGEE camp. 2 Apache helicopters fired 5 missiles into the camp killing 1 (at this moment) and wounding several others. It was also stated that the reason they did it was a "warning" to the Palestinians to not get involved.
Do you really think that will work now? They just murdered an innocent civilian and wounded several others. Like they aren't going to be pissed about this in Palestine.
Just remember that Israel start bombing South Lebanon after Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers in the Lebanon territory...that's the fact....
After the bombing, Hezbollah respond; don't forget that....in 20 years from now, 20 points in your history class....(for your kids....)
After the bombing, Hezbollah respond; don't forget that....in 20 years from now, 20 points in your history class....(for your kids....)
Oh, Israel just changed their story again: they were going after a Hezbollah militant IN A PALESTINIAN REFUGEE CAMP.HM1{N} wrote:
And now this, btw thanks JonSimon,jonsimon wrote:
There is a picture of a red cross truck with a big hole smack dab in the middle of the cross.HM1{N} wrote:
It's funny how people can still say Israel isn't targeting civilians, Israel is not stopping aid, only supplies from Iran and Syria to Hezbollah.
LOL. NOT...
The Red Cross just reported that Israel is violating the Geneva Conventions (what's new with that country) and is stopping aid supplies. They won't let help get to the Lebanese people.
They have bombed all roads leading in and out of Lebanon.
They have told people they can't drive there or they will get bombed.
They stopped aid ships trying to get to the port with their Navy.
They killed 8 mourners (who were burying the dead from the previous day), and wounded 33 other civilians.
And
They continue to reduce the country of Lebanon to rubble, killing everyone who is there...now the Israeli PM is saying they are going to expand the offensive in Lebanon. This only a week after he said only Southern Lebanon is what they are going after to "create a buffer zone".
It really IS genocide.
Front page, CNN.
Israel just attacked (WITHOUT PROVOCATION AND FOR NO APPARENT REASON) a Palestinian REFUGEE camp. 2 Apache helicopters fired 5 missiles into the camp killing 1 (at this moment) and wounding several others. It was also stated that the reason they did it was a "warning" to the Palestinians to not get involved.
Do you really think that will work now? They just murdered an innocent civilian and wounded several others. Like they aren't going to be pissed about this in Palestine.
Right...I guess they realized that their original reason was a bunch of bullshit and they are now doing damage control.
Evidence or Israeli Damage Control?kr@cker wrote:
of course the hezzies using red cross/crescent vehicles to transport supplies and troops is in no way out of line and couldn't have anything to do with the IDF stopping them
tragic yes, blame hezzbollah
Miller wrote:
Get a brain here, the Islamic bible specifically states to kill infidels (any people who do not convert to Islam). Their god isn't one of peace and wanting balance like the Jewish want and believe in, but Allah is a god that wants everyone to die. These people enjoy the killing of infidels. We have to strike back in order to survive, kill, or be killed.
Thats from the King James edition. It might not be as familiar to you as:Ezekiel 25:17 wrote:
And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.
So don't talk about anyones god being bloodthirsty.Quentin Tarantino wrote:
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Puritans persecuted 'witches'.
Isabella and Ferdinand persecuted converts from Judaism and Protestant faith during the Inquisition.
The good old US of A officially outlawed such traditional ceremonies as the Sun Dance and the Ghost Dance.
And lets not forget the Crusades.
We're all guilty of flinging Shit at each other and calling it religion. Theres no difference between Mr Christian, Mr Catholic, Mr Jew, or Mr Muslim.
so ummm what happened in 2006?
More of the same shit.kr@cker wrote:
so ummm what happened in 2006?
Being a polygamist is still illegal in America. People go to prison for it.Foxhoundmgw wrote:
Miller wrote:
Get a brain here, the Islamic bible specifically states to kill infidels (any people who do not convert to Islam). Their god isn't one of peace and wanting balance like the Jewish want and believe in, but Allah is a god that wants everyone to die. These people enjoy the killing of infidels. We have to strike back in order to survive, kill, or be killed.Thats from the King James edition. It might not be as familiar to you as:Ezekiel 25:17 wrote:
And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.So don't talk about anyones god being bloodthirsty.Quentin Tarantino wrote:
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Puritans persecuted 'witches'.
Isabella and Ferdinand persecuted converts from Judaism and Protestant faith during the Inquisition.
The good old US of A officially outlawed such traditional ceremonies as the Sun Dance and the Ghost Dance.
And lets not forget the Crusades.
We're all guilty of flinging Shit at each other and calling it religion. Theres no difference between Mr Christian, Mr Catholic, Mr Jew, or Mr Muslim.
I know.
oh that's right, i lost my high school best friend in the great crusade of 1995