Constructive critisism at its best.rawls2 wrote:
I feel sorry for your mother!PRiMACORD wrote:
Wrong country fag, go live in Israel if you want your children to sign devices of death.CyrusTheVirus wrote:
Revenge is sweet. I'd have my kids sign bombs headed to Iran anytime. Where do I sign?
I feel sorry for your kids...
i feel sorry
Yes.
So much conflict. Even here.
Makes me sad sometimes too when I see the vast divide between us.
So much conflict. Even here.
Makes me sad sometimes too when I see the vast divide between us.
Me to - well, at least we are allowed to have our respectively polar opinions. Thats a good thing as long as we learn from each other and get ourselves to be open to different views and perhaps even change our perceptions of whats really going on.ATG wrote:
Yes.
So much conflict. Even here.
Makes me sad sometimes too when I see the vast divide between us.
psh, like we could learn from YOU ...
oh wait
/kidding
oh wait
/kidding
I enjoy a frolicking debate. Thats why I've given more karma to Bubbalo than to anyone else. He should have been elected queen of the tree hugging, mod loving, dotard braining liberal misguided bunch.
Iran outright said they have supplied the arms to Hizbullah . I really don't have a problem with that , what ever . But when Hizbulah says they have 10,000 more rockets in storage and when they can fire 180 in under 15 minutes .... well that's the reason why Lebanon looks like it dose today .
Here's an interesting read for all of you debating this topic:
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=columnists& … p;hn=35458
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=columnists& … p;hn=35458
well i seem to get along fine with many of those i disagree with on these threads, save about 3, bub has........evolved a good bit since i first lost my shit with him, capt fass1, poe, jonsimon, we all get a bit snarky once in a while but still manage to have fun with each other, besides, us carebears gotta stick together, fuck with fass1 and I'll rip your fucking head off!!!!ATG wrote:
I enjoy a frolicking debate. Thats why I've given more karma to Bubbalo than to anyone else. He should have been elected queen of the tree hugging, mod loving, dotard braining liberal misguided bunch.
Ill think youll find the UN observers were emailing their superiers saying that Israel are attacking their vicinity and that it was entirely neccesary, he also went on to say that he could see hezbolla setting up static rocket positions in and around the compound, so close it was no longer safe to conduct patrols.Marconius wrote:
Here's an interesting read for all of you debating this topic:
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=columnists& … p;hn=35458
Israel and america are at war with the UN wtf? yeah thats true thankyou mr. article
Hezbolla are doing what no arab ever dared to do...attack israel? tbh i think all of the leaders dare they just havetn got round to it. Reference the six day war. All of the surrounding arab countries decided to wipe out Israel, israel being slightly outgunned took a premptive strike against egypt destroying their Airforce thus giving them air supierority, other countries invaded Israel (syria etc etc) but were pushed back. After the war their was a unanamious vote by the Israeli government to give back the land they had taken, the message was given the UN to deliver....unfortunately they forgot to deliver it.....
As Israel owned all of the ME the arabs said that Britian and the USA were launching our AF from carriers at the arabs to help Israel. Which is of course not true as we had no carriers there......however the arabs teach this in their history text books........hmmmmm no wonder they dont like us hey?
this man knows what hes on about. seriously the Lebanon is alot worse than israel before this. Those idiots wouldnt even kick a terrorist organization out of their country, they left the door wide open for israel to do this. Israel was attacked and had numerous people taken hostage. If israel just did it for conquest their would be a problem. I dont get what peoples problems are. Say for instance that france was attacked by spain, spain took 3 people hostage. Diplomacy fails, ok, then what you gona do? your gona get your boys back arent you.Capt_Flapjack wrote:
Uh...maybe they would uh...use it to fuel the trucks that the Katusha missiles are on? Or maybe they were going to use it to fuel trucks that have hezbollah guys on them who are going to try and kill some Israelis. Israel got attacked by Hezbollah. I can't figure out why you people are feeling bad for Lebanon, who didn't have the muscle/balls to kick a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION out of their country. They even let them RUN FOR OFFICE KNOWING THEY WERE TERRORISTS. Its unfortunate that the beaches got destroyed, but maybe next time they won't let terrorists hang out in their country.RicardoBlanco wrote:
So what exactly were Hezbollah going to do with this oil? Throw it at Israel? They can't sell the stuff and they don't have tanks as far as I know so what was the 'tactical' reason for destroying the depot?James-m wrote:
israel was attacked. its not as if they did it for no reason. hezbollah or whoever they are should expect a retaliation. plain and simple. id do the same if i was caught up in all this.
Oh, and next time if you have something to say just shut up because it's probably stupid.
Diplomacy fails? Eeeerrrrr - what diplomacy would that be then?James-m wrote:
this man knows what hes on about. seriously the Lebanon is alot worse than israel before this. Those idiots wouldnt even kick a terrorist organization out of their country, they left the door wide open for israel to do this. Israel was attacked and had numerous people taken hostage. If israel just did it for conquest their would be a problem. I dont get what peoples problems are. Say for instance that france was attacked by spain, spain took 3 people hostage. Diplomacy fails, ok, then what you gona do? your gona get your boys back arent you.Capt_Flapjack wrote:
Uh...maybe they would uh...use it to fuel the trucks that the Katusha missiles are on? Or maybe they were going to use it to fuel trucks that have hezbollah guys on them who are going to try and kill some Israelis. Israel got attacked by Hezbollah. I can't figure out why you people are feeling bad for Lebanon, who didn't have the muscle/balls to kick a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION out of their country. They even let them RUN FOR OFFICE KNOWING THEY WERE TERRORISTS. Its unfortunate that the beaches got destroyed, but maybe next time they won't let terrorists hang out in their country.RicardoBlanco wrote:
So what exactly were Hezbollah going to do with this oil? Throw it at Israel? They can't sell the stuff and they don't have tanks as far as I know so what was the 'tactical' reason for destroying the depot?
Oh, and next time if you have something to say just shut up because it's probably stupid.
The hotages that were taken because isreal screwed them over last time, by the way they want isreal to release the woman and childern ?James-m wrote:
this man knows what hes on about. seriously the Lebanon is alot worse than israel before this. Those idiots wouldnt even kick a terrorist organization out of their country, they left the door wide open for israel to do this. Israel was attacked and had numerous people taken hostage. If israel just did it for conquest their would be a problem. I dont get what peoples problems are. Say for instance that france was attacked by spain, spain took 3 people hostage. Diplomacy fails, ok, then what you gona do? your gona get your boys back arent you.Capt_Flapjack wrote:
Uh...maybe they would uh...use it to fuel the trucks that the Katusha missiles are on? Or maybe they were going to use it to fuel trucks that have hezbollah guys on them who are going to try and kill some Israelis. Israel got attacked by Hezbollah. I can't figure out why you people are feeling bad for Lebanon, who didn't have the muscle/balls to kick a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION out of their country. They even let them RUN FOR OFFICE KNOWING THEY WERE TERRORISTS. Its unfortunate that the beaches got destroyed, but maybe next time they won't let terrorists hang out in their country.RicardoBlanco wrote:
So what exactly were Hezbollah going to do with this oil? Throw it at Israel? They can't sell the stuff and they don't have tanks as far as I know so what was the 'tactical' reason for destroying the depot?
Oh, and next time if you have something to say just shut up because it's probably stupid.
hav u seen the amount off people that hav died? hav u seen the tactics used ? i would hardly call that justifyed .your gona get your boys back arent you.
screwed them over last time? you mean when they invaded israel and then israel owned them?mafia996630 wrote:
The hotages that were taken because isreal screwed them over last time, by the way they want isreal to release the woman and childern ?James-m wrote:
this man knows what hes on about. seriously the Lebanon is alot worse than israel before this. Those idiots wouldnt even kick a terrorist organization out of their country, they left the door wide open for israel to do this. Israel was attacked and had numerous people taken hostage. If israel just did it for conquest their would be a problem. I dont get what peoples problems are. Say for instance that france was attacked by spain, spain took 3 people hostage. Diplomacy fails, ok, then what you gona do? your gona get your boys back arent you.Capt_Flapjack wrote:
Uh...maybe they would uh...use it to fuel the trucks that the Katusha missiles are on? Or maybe they were going to use it to fuel trucks that have hezbollah guys on them who are going to try and kill some Israelis. Israel got attacked by Hezbollah. I can't figure out why you people are feeling bad for Lebanon, who didn't have the muscle/balls to kick a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION out of their country. They even let them RUN FOR OFFICE KNOWING THEY WERE TERRORISTS. Its unfortunate that the beaches got destroyed, but maybe next time they won't let terrorists hang out in their country.
Oh, and next time if you have something to say just shut up because it's probably stupid.hav u seen the amount off people that hav died? hav u seen the tactics used ? i would hardly call that justifyed .your gona get your boys back arent you.
I'm not sure, but the last time I checked most Western nations didn't negotiate with terrorists. It seems to me as if you are sympathizing with a terrorist organization and the country that harbored them. (Though possibly harbored them by default since they can't kick them out.) I think Israel is 100% justified with military action of this nature. They are the only truly functioning democracy in the region, and the only non-Muslim country in there as well. They have to defend themselves. If they let the two soldiers get kidnapped and didn't do anything, then their soldiers would be kidnapped night and day from every direction.CameronPoe wrote:
Diplomacy fails? Eeeerrrrr - what diplomacy would that be then?James-m wrote:
this man knows what hes on about. seriously the Lebanon is alot worse than israel before this. Those idiots wouldnt even kick a terrorist organization out of their country, they left the door wide open for israel to do this. Israel was attacked and had numerous people taken hostage. If israel just did it for conquest their would be a problem. I dont get what peoples problems are. Say for instance that france was attacked by spain, spain took 3 people hostage. Diplomacy fails, ok, then what you gona do? your gona get your boys back arent you.Capt_Flapjack wrote:
Uh...maybe they would uh...use it to fuel the trucks that the Katusha missiles are on? Or maybe they were going to use it to fuel trucks that have hezbollah guys on them who are going to try and kill some Israelis. Israel got attacked by Hezbollah. I can't figure out why you people are feeling bad for Lebanon, who didn't have the muscle/balls to kick a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION out of their country. They even let them RUN FOR OFFICE KNOWING THEY WERE TERRORISTS. Its unfortunate that the beaches got destroyed, but maybe next time they won't let terrorists hang out in their country.
Oh, and next time if you have something to say just shut up because it's probably stupid.
WRONG. Israel is perhaps one of the worst democracies in the region. And Iran has been a democracy for hundreds of years, until of course, the CIA installed a malicious dictator regime. But that's past, the Iranians rose up in the name of freedom from oppression and reinstalled their own elected leaders. Israel, on the other hand, has a zionist jewish regime. Jews are a minority in Israel, and zionist jews are a minority of jews, some representation that is. The interests of the tiniest bit of the population are represented by their leadership.Capt_Flapjack wrote:
I'm not sure, but the last time I checked most Western nations didn't negotiate with terrorists. It seems to me as if you are sympathizing with a terrorist organization and the country that harbored them. (Though possibly harbored them by default since they can't kick them out.) I think Israel is 100% justified with military action of this nature. They are the only truly functioning democracy in the region, and the only non-Muslim country in there as well. They have to defend themselves. If they let the two soldiers get kidnapped and didn't do anything, then their soldiers would be kidnapped night and day from every direction.CameronPoe wrote:
Diplomacy fails? Eeeerrrrr - what diplomacy would that be then?James-m wrote:
this man knows what hes on about. seriously the Lebanon is alot worse than israel before this. Those idiots wouldnt even kick a terrorist organization out of their country, they left the door wide open for israel to do this. Israel was attacked and had numerous people taken hostage. If israel just did it for conquest their would be a problem. I dont get what peoples problems are. Say for instance that france was attacked by spain, spain took 3 people hostage. Diplomacy fails, ok, then what you gona do? your gona get your boys back arent you.
Don't start spouting democracy and freedom to defend oppression and war.
a) Israel have negotiated with 'terrorists' on many occasions. Generally to retrieve corpses in exchange for prisoner releases. Look it up.Capt_Flapjack wrote:
I'm not sure, but the last time I checked most Western nations didn't negotiate with terrorists. It seems to me as if you are sympathizing with a terrorist organization and the country that harbored them. (Though possibly harbored them by default since they can't kick them out.) I think Israel is 100% justified with military action of this nature. They are the only truly functioning democracy in the region, and the only non-Muslim country in there as well. They have to defend themselves. If they let the two soldiers get kidnapped and didn't do anything, then their soldiers would be kidnapped night and day from every direction.
b) Israel is a gerrymandered artificial statelet. Democracy is a misnomer when the minority will NEVER have any meaningful say in anything the over-archingly right-wing jewish government decides to do. The fact that this minority is kept 'minor' by granting all jews anywhere in the world citizenship of Israel is hardly symbolic of true democracy. The fact that the country strives to maintain a characteristically jewish nature - a nation based on creed - is also not what one would normally associate with pluralistic western democracies.
c) Non-muslim country? So now a country is either 'Muslim', 'Jewish', 'Christian', 'Bahahi', 'Hindu', etc. by definition? Are you not overlooking the 20% of catholic and muslim arabs currently residing in Israel?
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WRONG Jews are the Majority in Israel...jonsimon wrote:
WRONG. Israel is perhaps one of the worst democracies in the region. And Iran has been a democracy for hundreds of years, until of course, the CIA installed a malicious dictator regime. But that's past, the Iranians rose up in the name of freedom from oppression and reinstalled their own elected leaders. Israel, on the other hand, has a zionist jewish regime. Jews are a minority in Israel, and zionist jews are a minority of jews, some representation that is. The interests of the tiniest bit of the population are represented by their leadership.Capt_Flapjack wrote:
I'm not sure, but the last time I checked most Western nations didn't negotiate with terrorists. It seems to me as if you are sympathizing with a terrorist organization and the country that harbored them. (Though possibly harbored them by default since they can't kick them out.) I think Israel is 100% justified with military action of this nature. They are the only truly functioning democracy in the region, and the only non-Muslim country in there as well. They have to defend themselves. If they let the two soldiers get kidnapped and didn't do anything, then their soldiers would be kidnapped night and day from every direction.CameronPoe wrote:
Diplomacy fails? Eeeerrrrr - what diplomacy would that be then?
Don't start spouting democracy and freedom to defend oppression and war.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_basics.php
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herrr_smity wrote:
dont hurt me withe you anti socialist bullshit, now i have to go cry in a corner|AIA| DAS wrote:
No, But I have one for you...herrr_smity wrote:
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herrr_smity wrote:
don't hurt me withe you anti socialist bullshit, now i have to go cry in a corner|AIA| DAS wrote:
No, But I have one for you...herrr_smity wrote:
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and this
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wow, i guess i already knew that ricardo was anti-american, but i guess i didn't know he was an anti-semite too???? what a hateful little man.......
The guy is from UK? Do you know that it was UK who contribute to create the Israeli State in 1948? You hate the people your country helped before. You also hate US, do you hate the Queen?
That is one damn good example of why NOT to negotiate with terroristsCameronPoe wrote:
a) Israel have negotiated with 'terrorists' on many occasions. Generally to retrieve corpses in exchange for prisoner releases. Look it up.Capt_Flapjack wrote:
I'm not sure, but the last time I checked most Western nations didn't negotiate with terrorists. It seems to me as if you are sympathizing with a terrorist organization and the country that harbored them. (Though possibly harbored them by default since they can't kick them out.) I think Israel is 100% justified with military action of this nature. They are the only truly functioning democracy in the region, and the only non-Muslim country in there as well. They have to defend themselves. If they let the two soldiers get kidnapped and didn't do anything, then their soldiers would be kidnapped night and day from every direction.
Israel is a parliamentary democracy, the Knesset is elected by popular vote. That is democracy, if they have a "gerrymandered artificial statelet" its what its people elected, the MAJORITY of them. Also, if Israels creed is different than western democracies, what do they care if the look like western democracies or not? Is the west suppose to be the standard we all should look like?CameronPoe wrote:
b) Israel is a gerrymandered artificial statelet. Democracy is a misnomer when the minority will NEVER have any meaningful say in anything the over-archingly right-wing jewish government decides to do. The fact that this minority is kept 'minor' by granting all jews anywhere in the world citizenship of Israel is hardly symbolic of true democracy. The fact that the country strives to maintain a characteristically jewish nature - a nation based on creed - is also not what one would normally associate with pluralistic western democracies.
Israel is by far Jewish, and given the context of its region yes you could say Israel is the only non-muslim country around.CameronPoe wrote:
c) Non-muslim country? So now a country is either 'Muslim', 'Jewish', 'Christian', 'Bahahi', 'Hindu', etc. by definition? Are you not overlooking the 20% of catholic and muslim arabs currently residing in Israel?
Now about those kidnapped soldiers, lets remember that Israel is occupying the regions where those soldiers were abducted. If any of you like to say Israel has a right to be at war, then those soldiers are prisoners, not kidnapped innocents.
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"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
They have wepons and they are a "Privetly funded Army" so i think they would have tanks...RicardoBlanco wrote:
So what exactly were Hezbollah going to do with this oil? Throw it at Israel? They can't sell the stuff and they don't have tanks as far as I know so what was the 'tactical' reason for destroying the depot?James-m wrote:
israel was attacked. its not as if they did it for no reason. hezbollah or whoever they are should expect a retaliation. plain and simple. id do the same if i was caught up in all this.
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
I was simply pointing out that they have negotiatied with them in the past and probably will in the future. One of the reasons we have this problem right now is because Israel reneged on some things it agreed to do in a past negotiation despite the fact that the 'terrorists' had carried out their side of the bargain.EVieira wrote:
That is one damn good example of why NOT to negotiate with terroristsCameronPoe wrote:
a) Israel have negotiated with 'terrorists' on many occasions. Generally to retrieve corpses in exchange for prisoner releases. Look it up.
It may be a parliamentary democracy but the 'gerrymandering' was not part of any election - it was achieved through force of arms and the casting of people from their homes to enforce a jewish majority on claimed territory. On your other point - western democracies seem to take issue with mono-religious states like that of Iran - why is Israel, effectively a mono-religious state, exempt from similar criticism. I agree with you that the west should not be the standard. Each political system must evolve to suit its own people, culture and environment.EVieira wrote:
Israel is a parliamentary democracy, the Knesset is elected by popular vote. That is democracy, if they have a "gerrymandered artificial statelet" its what its people elected, the MAJORITY of them. Also, if Israels creed is different than western democracies, what do they care if the look like western democracies or not? Is the west suppose to be the standard we all should look like?