BF2S Forums Should the Israeli government pay to rebuild Lebanon?

you are simply ignorant, u hav some way of disreguard ANYthing that i say, even if it means making up theories that hav absolutly no proof. Hey Guys, everyone, if u need any answers this guy knows them, and if not he'll rustle u up one

Fld_Mrsl_Arts wrote:

i dont care if they were crying their arses off as they climbed into their F16's and loaded their M109 self propelled artillery pieces, the fact is they continued striking at the civi targets whenn the civilians had no way of escaping, and sometimes there were no terrorists at all

I agree, in the aftermath, there were no terrorists found, I guess that is bad intel.  Have to agree with you there.  And I didn't mean to imply that they were crying while doing it.  I'm just saying that in general, Israel does not condone intentionally taking out civilian targets.

Fld_Mrsl_Arts wrote:

the spelling mistakes are on account of the fact that i am trying to keep up with replying to ur long string of false info.

Theories that have absolutely no proof - "Ever hear of propaganda, imagine that.  The terrorists probably picked up the pamphlets and got out so that the only killed would be civilians.  Hmmmm.  "Witnesses" are generally unreliable."

Ok, no worries than.  False info.  I did not imply that that statement was fact, It was more of a theory.  and yes Witnesses are generally unreliable, especially where terrorists are predominant.  I have never once accused you of giving FALSE info/FACTS, just innacurate opinions.  Why are you so angry??  Oh and thanks for being specific.  To clarify, that was a THEORY, i did not intend it as fact.  Oh you even mentioned it as a theory, well my whole point was just to infer that statement, not provide any proof per se.  It was just a thought, sorry!

Fld_Mrsl_Arts wrote:

Here are some facts about the civilian death toll, and how disproportionate the israeli responce really was.

Lebanese - 481 civilians dead
                 1100 wounded

Israeli - 41 civilians dead
            418 wounded

Source?

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

Fld_Mrsl_Arts wrote:

Here are some facts about the civilian death toll, and how disproportionate the israeli responce really was.

Lebanese - 481 civilians dead
                 1100 wounded

Israeli - 41 civilians dead
            418 wounded

Source?

Ok nevermind, yeah those numbers are close to what i've found

Lebanon Civilians: 1,130 dead, 3,600 wounded.

Israeli Civilians: 52 dead  648 wounded, 875 suffered from shock

What about the 500+ Hezbollah fighters dead.  Once again this all boils down to Hezbollah's tactics, not Israeli's intentions.

i dont believe this to b the case, it was still a disproportionate use of force, or as you say tactics, it isnt the hezbollah tactics that need to change it is the israeli tactic that need changing, they are far to heavy handed, and that is why so many lebanese civi's died

Fld_Mrsl_Arts wrote:

i dont believe this to b the case, it was still a disproportionate use of force, or as you say tactics, it isnt the hezbollah tactics that need to change it is the israeli tactic that need changing, they are far to heavy handed, and that is why so many lebanese civi's died

+1, You finally made a coherent point without being so angry.  I agree, their tactics are a little forceful.  But "sometimes" that is neccessary.  I think they should have planned out their targets more carefully ( I think you can agree to that)  And I think that the Lebanese should try and push Hezbollah out as well (which won't happen) but it sure would make identifying targets much more easier.

Ok so one last question for you sir: Do you think that Israelis WANTED to kill civilians??

PRiMACORD wrote:

The only one saying that is Israel.

The more unbiased estimates i heard were around 100.

10-4, you got me on that one I guess, the only way to find out the truth is to wait, or maybe we will never know.

The two soldiers were just an escuse to have a war with lebabnon and try to eliminate hezzbollah(which they havent done). Now this peace treaty comes out and Isrial accepts it and its says nothing about the return od the two kidnapped soldiers.

does it matter if they intended to or not, it is a fact that they were heavy handed, small special forces raids would hav been far more effective

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

SGT_Dicklewicz wrote:

Maybe it should be paid for by the same people that supplied the terrorists with the rockets fired into Israel.................IRAN!
Lebanese civilians were caught in the middle because their county had Terrorists basiclly setup shop there. I feel for the Lebanese people, but also for the Israeli people too.
Fuck Hezbollah and their supporters!

+1 Good attitude.  That right there sums up my arguement!!

Israel started bombing Lebanon first.

Hezbollah captured 2 soldiers and killed 3 others in a ground raid to negotiate a prisoner exchange. Bombing is the appropriate response to that?

Bombs endanger the lives of the captured soldiers even more.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/ … .timeline/

"July 2006: Hezbollah militants cross into Israel, kill three Israeli soldiers and kidnap two others in a bid to negotiate a prisoner exchange, a demand rebuffed by Israel. Another five Israeli soldiers are killed after the ambush. Israel responds with a naval blockade and by bombing hundreds of targets in Lebanon, including Beirut's airport and Hezbollah's headquarters in southern Beirut. Hezbollah responds with rocket attacks targeting northern Israeli cities. Fighting leaves dozens of Lebanese civilians dead and coincides with a two-week-old Israeli military campaign in Gaza in response to the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier by Palestinian militants."

Fld_Mrsl_Arts wrote:

no, and yes, not initially, but as soon as they realised that they were hitting civi's they should hav stopped and after that point i hold them accountable for every death

Ok, yeah I hold them accountable too, but I dont' think they really mean to kill civilians to for example lower Hezbollah's morale (well that wouldn't work, it would just piss off Lebanon and Hezbollah)

I think this has been an excellent discussion, thanks for conversing with me and sharing your point of view.  If more people would freaking do that and not be a-holes than the world would be far safer, better, and cooler.  Now if only we could take over the U.N. we could solve sooo many problems!!!

To primacord:

It was WIDELY underreported that the SAME day that Israel invaded, BEFORE they did, Hezbollah was already firing rockets.  Israel did not start bombing first.  Besides Hezbollah has been indiscrimantly firing rockets into Israel for years ( well not on such a wide scale and it stopped for a couple of months prior to this).