BF2S Forums racism

lowing wrote:

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me "Whiteboy," "Cracker," "Honkey," "Whitey," "Caveman" and that's OK. But when I call you, nigger, Kike, Towelhead, Sand-nigger, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink you call me a racist.

Nigger just has a huge history and a lot of negative connotation to it. It is several orders of magnitude above "Whiteboy" or "Whitey". I mean if you called someone "Blackboy" or "Blacky" I'm sure they wouldn't be as offended as if you called them "Nigger". But still, you are right, if minorities use racist terms against whites they wouldn't be classified as racists necessarily. But I gotta ask you, what streets are you walking down that you get sneered at??

lowing wrote:

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

I don't think that has anything to do with racism... just that ghettos are more violent.

lowing wrote:

You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day.

Well MLK was a pretty important man, nothing wrong with that. And you also have the world economy in your favor, VS a college fund. But still valid points, especially with Black History Month.

Iowing wrote:

If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists.

Do you REALLY want WET?. I mean BET isn't exactly quality TV, I doubt WET would be anything special.

Iowing wrote:

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.

You already have your rights, no point in marching for this, except rubbing it into minorities faces.

Iowing wrote:

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

Unfortunatelly, the only times I've seen people announce their white pride, it's always accompanied by either KKK or White Supremacist propaganda. At least that's what the news digs for. Hence it has gotten a bad rep. 

Iowing wrote:

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.

Yea, that's true... but when a black guy kills a white police officer, he gets harsher punishment. So blacks are screwed in that sense.

My point, well I don't really have one, just just that whites have a nasty past that also seems to transcend to their newer generations. Blacks still somehow relate to the slavery era, and are thus seen at a disadvantage, and whites still somehow end up being connected to slavery, and thus seen as terrible people. That's not to say black people can't be racist or that all white people are, but unfortunatelly few are capable of looking past this history and letting go.

You know, the hundred year old history which none of us were part of. Even the recent civil rights stuff from the 1900's, most of us didn't even take part in any of that.

Last edited by GotMex? (2006-08-23 22:00:23)

If you're honestly questioning why there isn't White Entertainment Television, you must have missed Friends.

And all of you who sit there and act like all non-whites do is play the race card while you're totally blameless...I call bullshit. I highly doubt you'd come out and said yeah I fired him because he's black even if that's the case. You know why? If you said that your credibilty would drop to zero.

guy who wrote this wrote:

If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists. If we had white history month, we'd be racists. If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists. If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships,you know we'd be racists. There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US, yet if there were "White colleges" that would be a racist college.

Maybe it's because we ripped them from there homeland and used them as slaves. Why do you think so many black people make great athletes, we BRED them to be big and tossed the smart ones aside. Yes bred, like you breed animals, sad huh?

We have it pretty fucking good considering all the shit we've done.

TheCanadianTerrorist wrote:

Atleast white people can support their native country, like the Scottish support Scotland and Irish support Ireland without being called racist, but if they ever say "white pride" instead of "Scottish/Irish pride," then god save the queen.

I occasionally attend Scottish Highland Games whenever they occur nearby, and have been considering the SCA. That's probably about as close to white pride as I'll be able to publicly display without being incorrectly called a Nazi. It's wrong that certain types of humans feel free to express pride in their heritage, but others have to be fearful of being politically incorrect if they do so. The excuse that "white people are the aggressors" holds no water with me, and should not for anyone else who is learned in world history.

PRiMACORD wrote:

Maybe it's because we ripped them from there homeland and used them as slaves. Why do you think so many black people make great athletes, we BRED them to be big and tossed the smart ones aside. Yes bred, like you breed animals, sad huh?

We have it pretty fucking good considering all the shit we've done.

Oh please...if you think black people are the only ones who've ever had enslaved ancestors, then you're outlook on things is sorrier than I thought. I've never owned a slave in my life. Why do I have to sit around and get chewed out because of what happened long before I was born?

But interestingly enough, African tribes often participated in rounding up black people to sell to slave traders.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-08-23 23:02:58)

lowing wrote:

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me "Whiteboy," "Cracker," "Honkey," "Whitey," "Caveman" and that's OK.

Has anyone here honestly ever been called "caveman" because they're white? Or has anyone been called "cracker" "honkey" or "whitey" by anyone who meant it in a mean or hostile way?

I've never even heard of caveman. And the only time I've been called the three others was in obvious jest. I can think of only one time in my life where I've been called "white boy" out of hostility before. That time was definitely not "OK" and was definitely racist.

lowing wrote:

But when I call you, nigger, Kike, Towelhead, Sand-nigger, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink you call me a racist.

The rule of thumb for me is this: anyone using those terms is always in the wrong, UNLESS it's obvious to everyone within earshot that you are using the term ironically.

lowing wrote:

If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists. If we had white history month, we'd be racists. If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists. If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships,you know we'd be racists. There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US, yet if there were "White colleges" that would be a racist college.

The fact of the matter is that Americans in power are predominantly white men. I think it's fair to consider white men the "majority" in terms of power. To me it makes sense to encourage institutions set up to foster the relatively less powerful minorities, especially in a country like ours with a very recent history of overt exclusion.

Fostering minorities part of the spirit of America. The Bill of Rights was specifically intended by our forefathers to protect the rights of the minority, however unpopular, against the will of the majority.

The so-called "black" colleges and women's colleges were set up decades ago - some set up in the mid 19th century even - to admit students that would otherwise have had nowhere to go. Howard University, for example, was established by a US congressional charter in the 1860s. It was initially funded mainly by the Freedman's Bureau, an agency set up to help freed slaves. It's not really a valid claim to say that these "black" universities are racist - anyone can apply to these schools regardless of race, gender, etc.

Why would we term these schools "black colleges"? I suppose because they were set up primarily for blacks and percentage-wise blacks make up the majority of attendees. There are "white colleges". The majority of post-secondary institutions across the United States qualify as such: they were originally set up for whites to attend, and percentage-wise whites make up the majority of attendees.

lowing wrote:

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.

That's just silly. Any white person who believes that the white race in America is somehow oppressed needs to start saying no to crack.

lowing wrote:

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

I'm not sure that everyone who's proud that they're white is racist. But what is the point of public displays of white pride? Even if it's not racist in intent - which I find hard to believe - it still can't be much more than gloating.

lowing wrote:

Why is it that only whites can be racists?

This whole sentiment is very whiny. Everyone knows there are racists in every race, just as every race has its share of people who are hyper-sensitive and who scrutinize everything for how racist it is. This author of the email lowing posted would definitely qualify as the latter.

dhoar4 wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Are black men running around beating up white people?

Yes

Oh yes. As we speak, it's a regular Boxer Rebellion out there. Black men are running around beating up white people and stealing their women (well, it's not stealing if they go willingly, which they do)

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

That appears to be more of rhetorical than whiny. Of course everyone knows (at least deep down, hopefully), that all races can be racists, but the label seems inextricably glued to white people in popular opinion.

Again, white Americans don't exactly have the greatest track record in race relations over the past 200 years. It sucks to be labeled a racist for any current or historical misdeeds of your race, but hey, life goes on. If you think it sucks when some hypersensitive P.C. granola college freak labeled you a racist just because you're white, imagine how Middle Eastern people feel when they get on an airplane.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

This is what people like me are disconcerted about. I was even called a racist because of several topics for finals in a college mythology class, I chose Norse. Not that I really care about their opinions, but it would have been nice to have gone without the dirty looks for the rest of the quarter.

That's just ignorance, which is better left ignored in my opinion.

Unless when you picked it you stood up, screaming "NORRRRRSEEEEEEE!" in your scariest blood-curdling voice while seig-heiling and glaring at the Muslims in the class. That would not ave given the best impression.

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

That appears to be more of rhetorical than whiny. Of course everyone knows (at least deep down, hopefully), that all races can be racists, but the label seems inextricably glued to white people in popular opinion.

Again, white Americans don't exactly have the greatest track record in race relations over the past 200 years. It sucks to be labeled a racist for any current or historical misdeeds of your race, but hey, life goes on. If you think it sucks when some hypersensitive P.C. granola college freak labeled you a racist just because you're white, imagine how Middle Eastern people feel when they get on an airplane.

Of course I do sympathize with anyone who looks like or is a Middle Easterner having to deal with dirty looks (some of which are thrown by black and Asian people as well) whenever they board a plane. I'm not denying that white people can be racists. All I ask is that the "P.C. granola crunchers" (of this forum, at least) accept that it is a trait shared by non-caucasians also, and that they stop pinning the crime of slave-ownership on innocents. I don't recall anyone in my family owning black slaves on a cotton plantation, as goes the popular scenario.

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

This is what people like me are disconcerted about. I was even called a racist because of several topics for finals in a college mythology class, I chose Norse. Not that I really care about their opinions, but it would have been nice to have gone without the dirty looks for the rest of the quarter.

That's just ignorance, which is better left ignored in my opinion.

Unless when you picked it you stood up, screaming "NORRRRRSEEEEEEE!" in your scariest blood-curdling voice while seig-heiling and glaring at the Muslims in the class. That would not ave given the best impression.

Re-underlined a critical point that it agrees with with your first sentence. But to tell the truth, it would've been interesting to see their faces if someone did stand up and scream 'NOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRSE!' at the top of their lungs.

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Ultimately, I'm not bothered at all about racial pride stuff, but it strikes me as odd that one group of human beings should be socially barred from celebrating their own heritage.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Ultimately, I'm not bothered at all about racial pride stuff, but it strikes me as odd that one group of human beings should be socially barred from celebrating their own heritage.

I recently read an article about how the World Cup 2006 (soccer cup for you non-fans) helped Germany a great deal with a similar problem. According to this psychologist from germany, post WWII Germans have had a problem with expressing their pride for their country by means of their flag. This, of course, stems from the terrible image that Hitler gave the world and all the stigma that followed. It was hard for them to raise their flag with pride because of the negative connotation that it could have.

However this year, an interesting phenomenom occured. As thousands of foreign soccer fans poured to their stadiums to cheer for their teams, Germans of course followed in suit. However they had never been the flag bearing kind. Sure they have a great soccer team, and they have the chants and all, but never the massive flags or even the smaller ones that you see in any other soccer game. Seeing all the other people so carelessly parading with their flags, German soccer fans started adopting the same behaviors. Soon enough, the people were able to disassociate the terrible image that Hitler had left for their flag, and were able to express their pride without the repressive feelings.

Anyway, I forgot what my point is by now, but it's a cool little story (assuming the guy really knows what he was talking about). And it kind of reminded me of how certain features of a race's/culture's are hard to get over, even tens or hundreds of years later. I think USA has a sort of problem with this, with people still referring to the slavery as if it happened yesterday. Sometimes we just have to move on, or these same thoughts keep things from moving forward.

Whites will be seen as racist forever, unless the white dominance image is removed some day... and blacks will feel discriminated against, unless the disadvantaged image is removed some day. And Mexicans will keep crossing the border since there are better opportunities in the USA. (Unrelated, but just making a point).

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Germany Ah, wikipedia seems to allude to some of this towards the end of that article. At least in the sense that the national flag hasn't been used much by the German people.
Edit2: http://service.spiegel.de/cache/interna … 73,00.htmlOk I'm not crazy, I did read this somewhere. Found an article that talks about this same stuff, makes more sense than my post I think.

Last edited by GotMex? (2006-08-24 02:28:24)

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

...has anyone been called "cracker" "honkey" or "whitey" by anyone who meant it in a mean or hostile way?

Anyone who works in any form of law enforcement, at least around here, hears this kind of stuff directed at them all the time, after a while you learn to just tune it out, but it is still there alot.

Perhaps it's coz black people are a minority and they could feel they are in second place, I suppose not sure.  I've been to America several times, and I felt some times the reject of a small part of black people for being white or stranger I don't know.  But the rest of them were cool.  So, you can't generalize putting all black persons in the same bag.  There's a lot of good black persons as there's a lot of good white persons.  And there's a lot of bad black persons and white persons as well. 
I think you must take it and pay the price for being white, since they've been oppressed and great part of them lives in lovely places like South Central in L.A.  Perhaps when they see a white guy in a Vipper and they drive a 79 Olds they feel anger.  Only Shaq and dudes like him drive 100k Cadillac trucks customized.  It's unfair for both sides the racism thing.  But, I think it's not the same a white calling a black person a "nigga" that a black dude calling you "whitey".  They are both racist comments, that's for sure.

Ikarti wrote:

You know, for some reason, white girls sure do love black guys.

The fat ones...