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rawls2 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

Hezbollah wont go heads up against the IDF because they would get slaughtered. Instead they attack the women and children left behind unprotected. Hezbollah picks the battlefield and they chose Lebanese neighborhoods. So tell me, who isn't concerned about who gets killed. Its the Hezzies who don't care.

But hezbollah has killed more IDF than civillians. That proves they are targeting the IDF, whether or not they are targeting civillians as well.

This only proves my point. More IDF have been killed than civilians because the IDF protects its citizens. The number of Lebonese casualties is higher than Hezbollah soldiers because they are bieng used as shields. Why can't you see that Hezbollah is using the Lebonese people as pawns. Every Islamo-fascist group uses the Israel-Palestinian conflict to attack Israel. When the truth is they don't give a rats ass about the Palestinians or Lebanese civilians for that matter.

LOL You're silly. Thats not even logical. The IDF just joins hands and forms a human shield whenever they see a rocket heading in.

Last edited by jonsimon (2006-08-25 14:15:57)

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

bogo24dk wrote:

Wait a minute are you saying that if Israel as it has in 1982 invaded Lebanon. Standing up and fighting the IDF is terrorism ? And as far as i know Hezbollah isen't on the terrorist list of EU.

When those one have the right to fight his enemy ?

Yes.

terrorism

n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling

http://dictionary.reference.com/search? … =0&y=0


Note that many of you share the same OPINION (an uneducated one at that) that Isreal directly targets civilians. And, by directly I mean they do so indiscriminately, without confirmation or even suspicion that Hezbollah are located there. Also note that it is a FACT that Hezbollah does indiscriminately target the civilian population, as well as recklessly endangers their own civilians.

You meen targeting areas like city's where many civilians live like they do in Gaza or West Bank is not intentionally.

Let's say we have a terrorist in new york he is hiding in sky high building on the 30th floor. What do you :

1. Call a f16 strike on the building
2. You storm the building
3. You wait for a better opportunity .


But Israel mostly goes for nr. 1 and that is causing high civilian casualties. And when you know that you are hitting civilians that's now way of justifying.

And you still haven't answer my question.

Are you a terrorist if you defend your own country ?

mafia996630 wrote:

As far as i can tell, they might as well be directly targeting civilians, then at least the number will become more LOGIC.

"recklessly endangers their own civilians."

by doing wot ? blowing up roads so people cant leave ? by stopping aid reaching the civilians? by blowing up infrastructure ?

"that it is a FACT that Hezbollah does indiscriminately target the civilian population"

that true, but what do u aspect them to do ? they are not even army, they have to use under hand tactics. and isreal is just securing their feature by bombing the crap out of civilians.

Normally, I ignore posts that exhibit a 6-year-old's mastery of the English language, but here we go anyway. They recklessly endanger their own civilians by basing themselves in civilian neighborhoods. They are Israel's target, but, unavoidably, the civilians in that area fall victim to this.

mafia996630 wrote:

and isreal is just securing their feature by bombing the crap out of civilians.

Assuming you meant securing their "future", how is that a bad thing? Should they just sit back and let Hezbollah launch rockets at Israeli civilians?

It's pretty pathetic that Liberals in America are endangering Israel's safety. I swear to God that if we were the America of 1944, we'd be dropping bombs on any place we thought a terrorist might have been in the last three months.

Is it fun to kill civilians? No, it sure isn't. Is it a sad truth that comes with war? Yeah, it really is. If so many people in our country could even understand what it's like to have a war on your home turf, and didn't form their terrorist sympathies by taking the word of the likes of Martin Sheen and Sean Penn (I hear they're both Ph.D in Political Science!) maybe you'd understand that Israel has been seen as an invader, and has been attacked relentlessly since it became a state.

If the US had a terrorist attack on our soil every week or two, how would you feel? You can't even wrap your head around it so please don't bother. Go pick up the New York Times, sip a nice hot tea, and wag your finger at those terrible jews who just can't seem to love their neighbors. /end sarcasm

mafia996630 wrote:

manitobapaintballa wrote:

if you don't have a rank/serial number/and uniform
if you dress up in civilian clothes to fight your "enemy"
if you target cizilian populations while forcing yours to stay in the way of incoming fire

you are a terrorist you don't have any rights and the geniva convention doesn't apply to you

the Hezbollah force the lebanize to stay they aren't allowed to leave the areas that the Hezbollah are putting the missile batteries they want civialian deaths so that the israilies have a harder time defending themselves again.

the israilies have been victomized alot, just because they finally defend themselves don't make em the bad guys

"if you don't have a rank/serial number/and uniform
if you dress up in civilian clothes to fight your "enemy"
if you target cizilian populations while forcing yours to stay in the way of incoming fire"

I wonder how long it took this shit to come out of your back side. My turn (i only need one point)

IF u break 75 UN resolutions.
http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html

They cant afford to have a uniform. Find me a source which says they are forcing to stay or wot ever.

U guys should read those 75 un resolutions. All the preliminary clauses show that Israel are the ones who should be classified as terrorists

jonsimon wrote:

If we had a significant war on our own land we'd all lean a little on the peaceful side. Take europe as an example, they bombed each other into oblivion, and now they're all one big peaceful family. Shit, these guys beat each other into pulp TWICE. Now you don't see any Europeans running around advocating wars they don't know shit about.

Because there never was a conflict in Bosnia nor with the IRA and England?

Bertster7 wrote:

Your definition of terrorism describes both Hezbollah and the IDF exactly.
I have listed numerous reputable sources declaring that the IDF have targeted civilian infrastructure with little to no regard for Arab civilian casualties. The goals of Israel are certainly political in nature and the whole campaign is one of intimidation.

Hezbollah=IDF=Terrorists

They are both as bad as each other. But Israel should know better. Although Israel and the Zionist movement have a long history of terror campaigns (Irgun, Lehi etc.). These terror groups were in fact closely linked to the IDFs predecessor The Haganah and many of their members were integrated into the IDF at it's creation. The leader of the terror group Irgun later went on to become Israeli Prime Minister.

Deliberate targeting of infrastructure, not civilians. Thats the difference.

Last edited by rawls2 (2006-08-25 14:34:38)

Honestly I think that Israel couldnt give 2 shits with about the civillian population.. like they have shown time and time again.
too bad Sharon is in a coma becuase i dont think this would of happnd if he was still prime minister. He was in the army, he knew what war would do

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Normally, I ignore posts that exhibit a 6-year-old's mastery of the English language, but here we go anyway. They recklessly endanger their own civilians by basing themselves in civilian neighborhoods. They are Israel's target, but, unavoidably, the civilians in that area fall victim to this.

Or maybe they were trying to force Israel to fight with ground forces since they are completely technologically and logistically outnumbered? Israel didn't want to because they knew it would be a much more even fight, they would rather bomb them like cowards. They only went in after getting blasted by the international community and just like i knew, IDF soldier casualties went up along with Hezbollah. Once the bombing was reduced civilian casualties started to go down.

The fact is Israel does not give a fuck about Lebanon, they hate it and the people in it. Why else would they leave mind fields when they stopped occupying the southern parts of Lebanon in 2000? Here is your land back, try and avoid the mines...need maps? Sorry, we can't do that.

They bombed Lebanons infastructure to shit and i'd like to hear you justify that since Hezbollah Katyusha attacks increased as the war went on. You would think if they were bombing targets so crucial to Hezbollah there rocket attacks would get weaker and weaker over time.

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

Deliberate targeting of infrastructure, not civilians. Thats the difference.

Yep. This entire thread is filled with people who are saying one thing, yet providing the wrong argument. I've pointed this out at nearly every instance, yet they still don't get it. I understand that many of you lack the level of education or experience that I have, but the line of stupidity has to be drawn somewhere. Come on, now. I guess that's what I get for arguing with pre-teens on an internet forum.

YEAAA, i aknowleged that fact already, iam not a "pre-teens on an internet forum", iam so happy now cos som idiot doesnt think this about me. ( FEEL the fukin sarcasm, NO ONE give a shit wot you think .)

Even in the cease fire Israel r still using some force.. AND respect to the Lebannese.. their leader condemed any1 hu was prepared to break the cease fire.. Has Isreal done the same??

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

Even in the cease fire Israel r still using some force.. AND respect to the Lebannese.. their leader condemed any1 hu was prepared to break the cease fire.. Has Isreal done the same??

Israel broke the cease fire to prevent Syria and Iran from shipping weapons to Hezbollah.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/st … amp;feed=1

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

Even in the cease fire Israel r still using some force.. AND respect to the Lebannese.. their leader condemed any1 hu was prepared to break the cease fire.. Has Isreal done the same??

Israel broke the cease fire to prevent Syria and Iran from shipping weapons to Hezbollah.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/st … amp;feed=1

Then i assume hezbollah should do the same to prevent weapons arriving from the U.S to Isreal..Wot kind of argument is that

A cease fire is a cease fire and should be respected