Since nobody seemed to catch this, or no one wanted to comment... "much accurater guns"?????iPoon.be wrote:
I dunno about you guys, but i think the anti-tank unlocks are wrong. At least, the P90 is.
Ive had much, much better experience with the PP-19 and the MP5 than the P90 (while DAO kicks ass of course)
They shouldve made P90 standard, and PP-19 or MP5 the unlock, which are much accurater guns with the same damage but a better ROF.
The P90 is great, I pick it up whenever I can. I never, EVER, even remotely think about using the PP-19 or MP5. I would rather use my pistol and have my DAO than use the standard AT weapons.
"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"
I think the antitank class is for queers
Sure, but there`s a little difference between catching and actually caring...Zilla wrote:
Since nobody seemed to catch this, or no one wanted to comment... "much accurater guns"?????iPoon.be wrote:
I dunno about you guys, but i think the anti-tank unlocks are wrong. At least, the P90 is.
Ive had much, much better experience with the PP-19 and the MP5 than the P90 (while DAO kicks ass of course)
They shouldve made P90 standard, and PP-19 or MP5 the unlock, which are much accurater guns with the same damage but a better ROF.
The AT kit is the most powerful kit in the game IMO, the weapons are just tricky to use. I hated the weapons too, but i had to get 100h on it. I think those last 50h was the most entertaining hours of all my time.
But if we count the total amount of bullets, theyre the same: 3x50 for the P90 and 5x30 for the MP5.doctastrangelove1964 wrote:
how can you say that? the P90 is more accurate while standing and crouching against the PP-19 (prone accuracy appears to be the same) and it has a much larger clip then the MP5 so you do not have to reload after every kill. The P90 also has a RDS for easier aiming (though the MP5's drum sight is the next best thing) and has less recoil. A person with an MP5 is at a disadvantage against one with a P90.
P90 usually ends up spitting out more than half of the clip every frag due to the axtreme ROF, which is why i prefer MP5. PP-19 is similar to the MP5 but with a larger clip, so this one would be my favorite.
The reason i dont like P90 is because of the laser sights, which i have difficulty with to keep a true aim (this is probably just a personal thing, but so is the thread :p) and it sounds like youre shooting through a pillow (a fate shared by the SCAR-L) which is very unsatisfactory.
dao-12 its ok p90 its ok pp-19 its nice mp5 not so good
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the Mp7 for the engineer. I think it's fairly accurate even at long distances. I like playing engineer and that little thing is a favourite of mine. Some snipers have actually fallen victim at some occasions!
Just aim over their head at long distances and you'll have a chance of getting them. And in close cobat it RULES! I seldom lose a close combat fight with this gun. The only backside is the amount of ammo. Way too low! The Engi kit should have at least two more mags.
Or maybe the mines are too heavy????
Just aim over their head at long distances and you'll have a chance of getting them. And in close cobat it RULES! I seldom lose a close combat fight with this gun. The only backside is the amount of ammo. Way too low! The Engi kit should have at least two more mags.
Or maybe the mines are too heavy????
the MP7 has the same accuracy as the P90but smaller clip size and a shorter reload time. The MP7 versus MK3A1 is a debat i often have, the MK3 does much more damage but only a CQC but the MP7 does not need to reload after every kill. I like all the unlocks over the standard weapons.klassekock wrote:
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the Mp7 for the engineer. I think it's fairly accurate even at long distances. I like playing engineer and that little thing is a favourite of mine. Some snipers have actually fallen victim at some occasions!
Just aim over their head at long distances and you'll have a chance of getting them. And in close cobat it RULES! I seldom lose a close combat fight with this gun. The only backside is the amount of ammo. Way too low! The Engi kit should have at least two more mags.
Or maybe the mines are too heavy????
You didn't just say the guns are weak, you implied they were awful unless in CQC by saying "unless you're within 10 or 15 feet of the enemy or in armor, you're gonna get owned."johnnybgood554 wrote:
Well i don't get it, did i say something wrong? All i'm saying is that they're weak compared to the other kits guns. I don't attack ppl for making a comment, this guy said wrong when clearly his stats prove me right and so do urs.Knight`UK wrote:
You seen his k/d ratio with the anti-tank and engineer kit ?? i think your wrong m8 i think the guy knows a lil more about them then you .johnnybgood554 wrote:
Hmmm, you have a bad ratio with shotguns and the at, how am i wrong?
ps. i'm not a flamer or a jerk, i simply stated my opinion and he said wrong without being able to back it up just like yourself.
Why not look at my stats then if you're so sure about that? I'm a pyscho Anti-Tank and I get shot at all the time. That's why my gun stats aren't exactly that great. But hell, I'm Anti-Tank, the main kit to go up against tanks and helis and anything much bigger and more powerful than you, yet I still have a positive k:d as it.
I almost never use the DAO-12 because of the fact that I'm shooting at tanks and people who bail out of tanks, I'm going to stay pretty far away so I can hide for reloading. The DAO-12 will do shit for you if you're far away and the guy bails out. Besides, the high rate of fire makes up for close range since it's so quick to kill people. I've been using the P90 all the time and I don't have any problems with it. My only problem with it other than it's lack of damage is the fact that it only has 2 extra clips and with that high rate of fire, those 2 clips go by quickly. Other than that I don't have a problem with it at all. I can shoot people down from a distance no problem, I have a few video clips saved on my computer where I just dominate people with the P90 and then pistol.
Besides, nothing actually "sucks" in this game, you just have to learn how to use it and strategize. You can't play with an SMG and expect to do just as good as you do with a regular assault rifle, it doesn't work that way. Maybe if you'd take the time to learn how to use them instead of just sucking out and quitting, you would know how good these guns are.
LOLSgt_Bob05 wrote:
Who gives a damn when you have a Semi Automatic Shotgun that can fire 12 shells in a second
well if you run out of ammo with the p90 the handgun can do miracles when i took my expert pistol badge i got the best score on the server and i wasn't in any vericles it's actually a great weapon if you know how to use it.
I don't quite understand what you're talking about. My complaint was that the smg's and shotty's are'nt as good as the other guns.You tell me to look at your stats if i'm so sure about that and this is what i saw, negative with smg, shotty, and the at. Yes i see you do have a positive ratio with the kit itself but you can't say you're positive because of the guns. With that being said, i admitted that i was wrong and i also said i was sorry to all you AT guys out there. I think that AT guys are very important to the team as far as keeping armor from raping your fellow teammates.FrankieSpankie3388 wrote:
You didn't just say the guns are weak, you implied they were awful unless in CQC by saying "unless you're within 10 or 15 feet of the enemy or in armor, you're gonna get owned."johnnybgood554 wrote:
Well i don't get it, did i say something wrong? All i'm saying is that they're weak compared to the other kits guns. I don't attack ppl for making a comment, this guy said wrong when clearly his stats prove me right and so do urs.Knight`UK wrote:
You seen his k/d ratio with the anti-tank and engineer kit ?? i think your wrong m8 i think the guy knows a lil more about them then you .
ps. i'm not a flamer or a jerk, i simply stated my opinion and he said wrong without being able to back it up just like yourself.
Why not look at my stats then if you're so sure about that? I'm a pyscho Anti-Tank and I get shot at all the time. That's why my gun stats aren't exactly that great. But hell, I'm Anti-Tank, the main kit to go up against tanks and helis and anything much bigger and more powerful than you, yet I still have a positive k:d as it.
I almost never use the DAO-12 because of the fact that I'm shooting at tanks and people who bail out of tanks, I'm going to stay pretty far away so I can hide for reloading. The DAO-12 will do shit for you if you're far away and the guy bails out. Besides, the high rate of fire makes up for close range since it's so quick to kill people. I've been using the P90 all the time and I don't have any problems with it. My only problem with it other than it's lack of damage is the fact that it only has 2 extra clips and with that high rate of fire, those 2 clips go by quickly. Other than that I don't have a problem with it at all. I can shoot people down from a distance no problem, I have a few video clips saved on my computer where I just dominate people with the P90 and then pistol.
Besides, nothing actually "sucks" in this game, you just have to learn how to use it and strategize. You can't play with an SMG and expect to do just as good as you do with a regular assault rifle, it doesn't work that way. Maybe if you'd take the time to learn how to use them instead of just sucking out and quitting, you would know how good these guns are.
LOL! Thats funnyBolvisOculus wrote:
Well, the P90 shoots smaller rounds than a pistol does, they probably got their damage from this.Windrider_Melb wrote:
Actually I love BOTH the DAO-12 and the P90. I swap between the two based on the map. Close-up fighting (Karkand) DAO-12. Open spaces (Zatar) P90.ShaneDiddy wrote:
I love the DAO.....can't stand the P90 to me was a waste of an unlock
Doesn't help that EA/DICE nerfed the P90. No way it does less damage than a pistol. The real thing can penetrate NATO standard armour plate.
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Heck, the only weapons with a bigger calibre are the Shotguns, GLs, AT Rockets and the M95!
Not sure about the P90, but most submachine guns actually shoot pistol rounds, just at a much higher rate of fire and usually have a much higher muzzle velocity.
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The Uzi shoots 9mm pistol ammo. The Thompson submachine gun shoots .45 pistol ammo just to name a couple.
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The P90 shoots a new 4.5mm round. The 9mm Parabellum and .45ACP rounds (and similar ilk) have been around for the best part of a century or longer (the science behind them even longer). More modern rounds are designed using advanced knowledge of ballistic physics, fluid dynamics, materials science, wounding effects etc. While the muzzle energy of a P90 round is about that of a semi-auto handgun, the physics of the round itself are far superior and it delivers rifle-style deformation cavities with armour penetration that older-style pistol and SMG rounds would need steel cores to attain.DSRTurtle wrote:
Not sure about the P90, but most submachine guns actually shoot pistol rounds, just at a much higher rate of fire and usually have a much higher muzzle velocity.
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The Uzi shoots 9mm pistol ammo. The Thompson submachine gun shoots .45 pistol ammo just to name a couple.
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Edited to add that of course you are absolutely correct about the SMGs that fire older style rounds.
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