And if by "some" congressman you mean most GOPers and some Democrats.
Yes, I meant some (as in SOME, not ALL). And not all signed it 18 years ago. Some signed it earlier, some signed it later. What's your point? Grover isn't the puppetmaster holding the strings. He likes to pretend he is. Apparently so do you.
Then why did they sign this pledge he wrote?
Seems to me he's influenced the policy of a large number of politicians.
Seems to me he's influenced the policy of a large number of politicians.
Because it helps burnish their conservative credentials?AussieReaper wrote:
Then why did they sign this pledge he wrote?
Seems to me he's influenced the policy of a large number of politicians.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
They signed it because they are, in general terms, against giving the government more of the taxpayers' money when the government has shown zero ability to spend it in a rational manner. The problem with that approach is that one side thinks more money to the government will fix everything, while the other side thinks less money to and from the government will. Neither side seems willing to acknowledge that reality lies in between.
And Norquist is a world-class douche with an idiotic, short-sighted, one-trick-pony agenda. Just to be clear.
And Norquist is a world-class douche with an idiotic, short-sighted, one-trick-pony agenda. Just to be clear.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
i think norquists idea is admirable, the tactic sucks. his premise of shrinking the government has some merit.
the problem is that the so called 'conservatives' are promising and spending to buy votes is just as egregious as any liberal office holder, and neither side has proclaimed or advocated policy to reflect their beliefs, or been willing to risk being voted out to truely stand up for them.
the problem is that the so called 'conservatives' are promising and spending to buy votes is just as egregious as any liberal office holder, and neither side has proclaimed or advocated policy to reflect their beliefs, or been willing to risk being voted out to truely stand up for them.
Ron Paul.13urnzz wrote:
i think norquists idea is admirable, the tactic sucks. his premise of shrinking the government has some merit.
the problem is that the so called 'conservatives' are promising and spending to buy votes is just as egregious as any liberal office holder, and neither side has proclaimed or advocated policy to reflect their beliefs, or been willing to risk being voted out to truely stand up for them.
Turned to chum by zombie votersheep and a state controlled media.
Ron Paul was the single worst candidate in 2008 and 2012
fixtMacbeth wrote:
Ron Paul was the single worst candidate in 2008 and 2012 and 2016
So your plan is to cut people - ie cut the pay of some people by 100%. That would be a pay cut wouldn't it?Extra Medium wrote:
Who said anything about reducing the pay of military members? You can reduce military spending by simply reducing the size of the military. As I stated before, why do we need 8700 abrams tanks? Why do we need 12,000 fighter jets? We don't. Reduce the amount of equipment and reduce the maintenance and operating costs as well as reducing the number of positions needed to service said equipment. The U.S. could lose a quarter of it's strength and still be a first class world military that is second to none.
All you need to do now is work out the division of job cuts between military and military contractors/suppliers.
Lets hear some figures.
Its not about being picky, unemployment is high, the private sector isn't creating jobs in the numbers needed (except in China), ex-military have historically between over-represented amongst the homeless bums.Jay wrote:
Yes, because jobs are static. No one ever founds a small business and then hires others. The market tends to find a way to employ everyone that wants to work and isn't overly picky. I don't think people thrown out of the military would be picky.
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Fuck Israel
It's Rand Paul for 2016 mate. Turn up the hearing aides.13urnzz wrote:
fixtMacbeth wrote:
Ron Paul was the single worst candidate in 2008 and 2012 and 2016
and the difference between Rand and Ron is what exactly?AussieReaper wrote:
It's Rand Paul for 2016 mate. Turn up the hearing aides.13urnzz wrote:
fixtMacbeth wrote:
Ron Paul was the single worst candidate in 2008 and 2012 and 2016
add o strike a and d13urnzz wrote:
and the difference between Rand and Ron is what exactly?AussieReaper wrote:
It's Rand Paul for 2016 mate. Turn up the hearing aides.13urnzz wrote:
fixt
Is anybody else annoyed at the spam use of the term "fiscal cliff?" I can't even listen to the news now.
(e: not that I really could before)
(e: not that I really could before)
My biggest complaint is, when have we not been on the edge of a fiscal cliff in the past 10 years? They keep saying we are, then raise the debt ceiling and all of our problems disappear for a year in a magical cloud of pixie dust.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Is anybody else annoyed at the spam use of the term "fiscal cliff?" I can't even listen to the news now.
(e: not that I really could before)
there's a strong correlation between people who complain about raising the debt ceiling and actual idiots
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
heh.Spark wrote:
there's a strong correlation between people who complain about raising the debt ceiling and actual idiots
people (republicans mainly, but some democrats) do not seem to realize that the debt ceiling isn't a blank check, it's the check that came due to pay for debt already incurred.
those stupid fuckers need to realize it's time to complain before the spending's ok'd, not after.
Really? I'm not saying that the country should default, but it's a perfect opportunity to talk about our nations debt and what needs to be done to fix it.Spark wrote:
there's a strong correlation between people who complain about raising the debt ceiling and actual idiots
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
thanks.
by complain about raising the debt ceiling i mean people who actually complained about the decision to raise the debt ceilingJay wrote:
Really? I'm not saying that the country should default, but it's a perfect opportunity to talk about our nations debt and what needs to be done to fix it.Spark wrote:
there's a strong correlation between people who complain about raising the debt ceiling and actual idiots
never in history has a basic procedural matter caused so much angst
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
In an ideal world they would've balanced the budget instead of raising the ceiling. That's what people really wanted, not a default.Spark wrote:
by complain about raising the debt ceiling i mean people who actually complained about the decision to raise the debt ceilingJay wrote:
Really? I'm not saying that the country should default, but it's a perfect opportunity to talk about our nations debt and what needs to be done to fix it.Spark wrote:
there's a strong correlation between people who complain about raising the debt ceiling and actual idiots
never in history has a basic procedural matter caused so much angst
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
In the real world when the time to default comes putting it off has a much higher priority than what could've been.
Just as signing up for another credit card solves your debt problems every year?Extra Medium wrote:
My biggest complaint is, when have we not been on the edge of a fiscal cliff in the past 10 years? They keep saying we are, then raise the debt ceiling and all of our problems disappear for a year in a magical cloud of pixie dust.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Is anybody else annoyed at the spam use of the term "fiscal cliff?" I can't even listen to the news now.
(e: not that I really could before)
Fuck Israel
you are pretty fly burnzz