When I was like 12 I borrowed a business book by Dilbert from the Library.
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Interestingly, every East Asian person I have met who is directly from there or a generation or two removed has vocalized a strong disdain for China and their system. I knew that East Asians are a diverse group of people with long historical animosity but hearing somebody with ties to the region list every grievance they have with the China or problems with their system really drives home how much the CCP has mismanaged the country's global reputation. The COVID pandemic hasn't helped.
err it’s funny you expect east asians to like china in the 20th/21st century. even an east asia studies 101 class would disabuse you of that notion.
even before the more hawkish shift of xi’s CCP, there was a modern history of civil wars, world wars and the cold war. do you expect south koreans to like the DPRK’s main existential guarantor or something?
i would even go so far as to say that the creation of east asian nation states was complicated by a long history of clientelism to china, which has been the regional hegemon since way before the rise of east asian tiger economies in japan/taiwan/korea. lots of mixed denial about the long history of chinese influence and shared
culture (same with korea-japan).
what’s interesting to me is how these enmities and ambivalences are still a driving force in political opinion in east asia, even amongst the young, whereas in europe we have pretty much all buried the centuries of killing one another over and over and over. young french and germans aren’t going at one another’s throats and waving placards about the returning of alsace-lorrain or something. two literal global cataclysms have pretty much been put to bed. but don’t show a chinese person in traditional hanok dress to a korean!
even before the more hawkish shift of xi’s CCP, there was a modern history of civil wars, world wars and the cold war. do you expect south koreans to like the DPRK’s main existential guarantor or something?
i would even go so far as to say that the creation of east asian nation states was complicated by a long history of clientelism to china, which has been the regional hegemon since way before the rise of east asian tiger economies in japan/taiwan/korea. lots of mixed denial about the long history of chinese influence and shared
culture (same with korea-japan).
what’s interesting to me is how these enmities and ambivalences are still a driving force in political opinion in east asia, even amongst the young, whereas in europe we have pretty much all buried the centuries of killing one another over and over and over. young french and germans aren’t going at one another’s throats and waving placards about the returning of alsace-lorrain or something. two literal global cataclysms have pretty much been put to bed. but don’t show a chinese person in traditional hanok dress to a korean!
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koreans are from southeast asia though.
uzique put a good summary but i gotta ad, lol.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Interestingly, every East Asian person I have met who is directly from there or a generation or two removed has vocalized a strong disdain for China and their system.
Not necessarilyuziq wrote:
e.g. as a private tutor, you have to submit an enhanced CRB, which will literally printout every single thing the police database - not the public record - has on you, including times arrested and kept in jail, for instance.
"An Enhanced DBS check is suitable for people working with children or adults in certain circumstances such as those in receipt of healthcare or personal care. An Enhanced DBS check is also suitable for a small number of other roles such as taxi licence applications or people working in the Gambling Commission.
The certificate will contain the same details as a standard certificate and, if the role is eligible, an employer can request that one or both of the DBS Barred Lists are checked.
The certificate may also contain non-conviction information supplied by relevant police forces, if it is deemed relevant and ought to be contained in the certificate."
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisat … vice/about
If you had an offence against children on your record it might be disclosed, arrested for breach of the peace? Probably not.
From what I can see Korea doesn't require an enhanced check.
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so if i sent the cops on someone cos they had a mean tweet it'll be on their record? lmao.
breach of the peace? why would i be arrested for breach of the peace in a private residential address? jesus christ man stop fucking talking. it’s boring now. like trying to tell a child how the law works.
wait till dilbs find out a bunch of teenagers being a bit loud at mcdonalds can result in an arrest for "breach of the peace" or "public disturbance" or whatever.uziq wrote:
breach of the peace? why would i be arrested for breach of the peace in a private residential address? jesus christ man stop fucking talking. it’s boring now. like trying to tell a child how the law works.
https://www.localsolicitors.com/crimina … -explainedWhat Constitutes a Breach of the Peace?
Detailing what acts constitute as a breach of the peace is complex, and there has been a wealth of dispute and disagreement with regards to the limits of power in this area. It is now widely accepted that an appropriate definition can be obtained from the 1981 case, R v. Howell. This case led to the definition of breach of the peace as being actions which cause harm to another person or cause harm to their property in their presence, as well as actions that are likely to instigate such harm.
A breach of the peace can occur on both private or public property and grounds.
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In cases where the police suspect that a breach of the peace is occurring or is likely to be committed on private property, they are entitled to use powers of common law to enter the property without having to obtain a warrant beforehand. Upon entry, the police can stop or prevent an offence from being committed.
OK, so you really don't know what you're talking about
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the idea i’d be arrested for breach of the peace for playing music in my room is hilarious.
i was arrested because they found powder in my room. it’s as simple as that.
you don’t get arrested for breach of the peace if your significant other calls the police on you for a domestic argument. that’s not the offence they’re going to book you for. this is dumb.
i was arrested because they found powder in my room. it’s as simple as that.
you don’t get arrested for breach of the peace if your significant other calls the police on you for a domestic argument. that’s not the offence they’re going to book you for. this is dumb.
"actions that are likely to instigate harm" - how precise.Dilbert_X wrote:
https://www.localsolicitors.com/crimina … -explainedWhat Constitutes a Breach of the Peace?
Detailing what acts constitute as a breach of the peace is complex, and there has been a wealth of dispute and disagreement with regards to the limits of power in this area. It is now widely accepted that an appropriate definition can be obtained from the 1981 case, R v. Howell. This case led to the definition of breach of the peace as being actions which cause harm to another person or cause harm to their property in their presence, as well as actions that are likely to instigate such harm.
A breach of the peace can occur on both private or public property and grounds.
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In cases where the police suspect that a breach of the peace is occurring or is likely to be committed on private property, they are entitled to use powers of common law to enter the property without having to obtain a warrant beforehand. Upon entry, the police can stop or prevent an offence from being committed.
OK, so you really don't know what you're talking about
So why did the Police show up at all?
"Student has drugs - shit send the flying squad" The police couldn't care less when I was at university
And an NUS card was literally a get out of jail card - "Ello ello what do think you're doing?" "Being a student" "Very good, carry on"
"Student has drugs - shit send the flying squad" The police couldn't care less when I was at university
And an NUS card was literally a get out of jail card - "Ello ello what do think you're doing?" "Being a student" "Very good, carry on"
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erm police absolutely will show up to arrest you if someone mentions drugs and antisocial behaviour. lmao. but breach of the peace is seldom used in english law for private domestics. i actually studied law dilbert.
breach of the peace is a total non-offence and a way of basically dismissing a rowdy crowd or individual in the street. there’s no penalty for it. if they came to my property and found me high, with an ‘8 inch blade’, threatening to harm people … yeah that’s not a booking for breach of the peace dilbert.
please, again, stop telling me how my own experience went
breach of the peace is a total non-offence and a way of basically dismissing a rowdy crowd or individual in the street. there’s no penalty for it. if they came to my property and found me high, with an ‘8 inch blade’, threatening to harm people … yeah that’s not a booking for breach of the peace dilbert.
please, again, stop telling me how my own experience went
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Its pretty broad, threats of violence would definitely come under it at the lower end - inside a private house or not.Cybargs wrote:
"actions that are likely to instigate harm" - how precise.
Often its what people are arrested on suspicion of to shut down a situation until the Police can figure out whats going on and bring some other upgraded charge, or not. People are relatively rarely charged with the offence itself.
"My housemate is going nuts on drugs and is making threats with a knife" is exactly what it is used for.
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except i was arrested and bailed for suspicion of class A. which i merrily skipped. they do have to tell you what they’re arresting you for, you know.
they don’t typically send sniffer dogs for routine breach of the peace calls m80.
they don’t typically send sniffer dogs for routine breach of the peace calls m80.
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you can't cause a breach of a peace when you're not in public lmaoDilbert_X wrote:
Its pretty broad, threats of violence would definitely come under it at the lower end - inside a private house or not.Cybargs wrote:
"actions that are likely to instigate harm" - how precise.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Ed … 20offence.Prohibition of offensive conduct conducive to breaches of the peace
Any person who in any public place or at any public meeting uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour with intent to provoke a breach of the peace or whereby a breach of the peace is likely to be occasioned, shall be guilty of an offence.
technically calling someone champ in public could be a breach of the peace.
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There has been plenty of case law since 1936.
Sounds like uziq was done for breach of the peace -> No criminal record
If he'd been arrested for suspicion of drug possession there'd certainly be a record - and that would be relevant to a Korean visa.
So it seems more likely uziq was arrested for being a dick.
https://greenandblackcross.org/guides/l … %20passed.Breach of the Peace is not a criminal offence: you can be arrested, but you cannot be charged.
The police have the power to detain or arrest you if a “breach of the peace” has occurred, or to prevent it from occurring. A breach of the peace is defined as “an act done or threatened to be done which either actually harms a person, or in his presence, his property, or is likely to cause such harm being done.” They must release you once the threat of the breach of peace has passed.
If arrested for breach of the peace, you should not give any personal details. The police will try and persuade you to do so, but you are not legally obliged to give details (or DNA or fingerprints). Because you must be released once the threat of a breach of the peace is over, even if you have not given your name and address, that cannot be a reason for the police to hold on to you.
The police sometimes use this power to arrest groups of people at actions, drive them far away from the site of the action, and then release them in the middle of nowhere (without ever going near a police station).
If the police deem either that you have actually committed a breach of the peace or that your release is likely to cause a further breach of the peace, then you can be held overnight and put in front of a judge to be “bound over” for a period of time and some cash, approx £100. Basically this means you agree to ‘keep the peace’ for a certain period of time and agree to pay the specified sum if you do not keep to the agreement. This is not a conviction and will not be put on your permanent record. If you refuse the bind-over you can be jailed for contempt of court for a few weeks or until you agree to it.
Sounds like uziq was done for breach of the peace -> No criminal record
If he'd been arrested for suspicion of drug possession there'd certainly be a record - and that would be relevant to a Korean visa.
So it seems more likely uziq was arrested for being a dick.
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lmao 4 pages of this and still not listening to me.
i was arrested for suspected drug possession. bailed until lab tests.
dilbert, if police get called to your property because you’re brandishing a knife, and it’s escalated enough that the cops come … that’s not breach of the peace. that’s an offence against the person. a serious one. aggravated assault, at the minimum. a fear of harm involving a weapon. if not attempted GBH, if they wanted to ‘press charges’. breach of the peace with a knife oh my fucking god. shut up you absolute moron.
i was arrested for suspected drug possession. bailed until lab tests.
dilbert, if police get called to your property because you’re brandishing a knife, and it’s escalated enough that the cops come … that’s not breach of the peace. that’s an offence against the person. a serious one. aggravated assault, at the minimum. a fear of harm involving a weapon. if not attempted GBH, if they wanted to ‘press charges’. breach of the peace with a knife oh my fucking god. shut up you absolute moron.
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dilbs pls. pls. stop. pls. i like how that random site you found omitted the public place part, kinda an important detail innit.
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also the idea i should still have a police record for being arrested for having a totally legal substance … how would that ever be fair or proportionate? if the cops arrested you carrying unmarked pain pills, and they turned out to be legal, do you think it would be fair and prudent to keep that on your record for the rest of your adult life?
they seized a substance that was as legal as sugar or salt. why the fuck should i have a record on that, dragging my visa applications, a clear decade after?
that’s what i was arrested for — and that’s why i skipped without any further ramifications.
if i was brandishing a knife at anyone, i would truly - and deservedly - had a lasting criminal mark on my name. even if only a caution or a restraining order. but i don’t because i never did anything like that.
breach of the peace lmaooo. in neither scenario, powders or eight inch blades, is that the offence they’re throwing my way to justify an arrest. you are clueless.
they seized a substance that was as legal as sugar or salt. why the fuck should i have a record on that, dragging my visa applications, a clear decade after?
that’s what i was arrested for — and that’s why i skipped without any further ramifications.
if i was brandishing a knife at anyone, i would truly - and deservedly - had a lasting criminal mark on my name. even if only a caution or a restraining order. but i don’t because i never did anything like that.
breach of the peace lmaooo. in neither scenario, powders or eight inch blades, is that the offence they’re throwing my way to justify an arrest. you are clueless.
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east asiaunnamednewbie13 wrote:
koreans are from southeast asia though.
acktually.
breach of the peace is cited a lot in private dwellings … in scotland. where it’s a much more serious offence with actual criminal ramifications.Cybargs wrote:
dilbs pls. pls. stop. pls. i like how that random site you found omitted the public place part, kinda an important detail innit.
not relevant at all to me. you don’t send a sniffer dog unit for breach of the peace. you don’t take drugs and paraphernalia as evidence in breach of the peace. lol. i was not booked at a police station and held in a cell for breach of the peace when they had a white powder in their evidence bag. ffs.
acktually, this was in reference to the time dilbert pointed out that south korea was a southeast asian country, which you may have missed. one of the large threads, search narrows it down to pandemic or euro i think. many giggles were had. sk is about as se-asian as jp.Dauntless wrote:
east asiaunnamednewbie13 wrote:
koreans are from southeast asia though.
acktually.