Macbeth
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Extra Medium wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Still FB shouldn't be able to keep all of your info and sell it. The phone company shouldn't keep your phone records too. What if these companies volunteered the info or sold it to the government?

I know people are going to say that you shouldn't use the service if you don't want to play by their rules but you cannot survive today without a home phone for instance. We are sort of captive consumers.

I also find it strange that people are so quick to come to the defense of the companies with a "too bad, their rules". Whatever happened to demanding something better as a consumer? Why is it looked down upon now?
Yes, facebook should just develop their software, make regular updates and maintain servers for one of the busiest websites in the world FOR FUCKING FREE.
Where did I say anything about making it free?
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
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They only make money off of selling ad space, otherwise they'd have to charge for the service, like Netflix
RTHKI
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no
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13/f/taiwan
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War Pay
The Nearly $1 Trillion National Security Budget
By Chris Hellman and Mattea Kramer

Recent months have seen a flurry of headlines about cuts (often called “threats”) to the U.S. defense budget. Last week, lawmakers in the House of Representatives even passed a bill that was meant to spare national security spending from future cuts by reducing school-lunch funding and other social programs. 

Here, then, is a simple question that, for some curious reason, no one bothers to ask, no less answer: How much are we spending on national security these days? With major wars winding down, has Washington already cut such spending so close to the bone that further reductions would be perilous to our safety?

In fact, with projected cuts added in, the national security budget in fiscal 2013 will be nearly $1 trillion -- a staggering enough sum that it’s worth taking a walk through the maze of the national security budget to see just where that money’s lodged.

If you’ve heard a number for how much the U.S. spends on the military, it’s probably in the neighborhood of $530 billion. That’s the Pentagon’s base budget for fiscal 2013, and represents a 2.5% cut from 2012. But that $530 billion is merely the beginning of what the U.S. spends on national security. Let’s dig a little deeper.

The Pentagon’s base budget doesn’t include war funding, which in recent years has been well over $100 billion. With U.S. troops withdrawn from Iraq and troop levels falling in Afghanistan, you might think that war funding would be plummeting as well.  In fact, it will drop to a mere $88 billion in fiscal 2013. By way of comparison, the federal government will spend around $64 billion on education that same year.

Add in war funding, and our national security total jumps to $618 billion. And we’re still just getting started.

The U.S. military maintains an arsenal of nuclear weapons. You might assume that we’ve already accounted for nukes in the Pentagon’s $530 billion base budget.  But you’d be wrong. Funding for nuclear weapons falls under the Department of Energy (DOE), so it’s a number you rarely hear. In fiscal 2013, we’ll be spending $11.5 billion on weapons and related programs at the DOE. And disposal of nuclear waste is expensive, so add another $6.4 billion for weapons cleanup.

Now, we’re at $636 billion and counting.

How about homeland security? We’ve got to figure that in, too. There’s the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which will run taxpayers $35.5 billion for its national security activities in fiscal 2013. But there’s funding for homeland security squirreled away in just about every other federal agency as well.  Think, for example, about programs to secure the food supply, funded through the U.S. Department of Agriculture. So add another $13.5 billion for homeland security at federal agencies other than DHS.

That brings our total to $685 billion.

Then there’s the international affairs budget, another obscure corner of the federal budget that just happens to be jammed with national security funds. For fiscal 2013, $8 billion in additional war funding for Iraq and Afghanistan is hidden away there. There’s also $14 billion for what’s called “international security assistance” -- that’s part of the weapons and training Washington offers foreign militaries around the world. Plus there’s $2 billion for “peacekeeping operations,” money U.S. taxpayers send overseas to help fund military operations handled by international organizations and our allies.

That brings our national security total up to $709 billion.

We can’t forget the cost of caring for our nation’s veterans, including those wounded in our recent wars. That’s an important as well as hefty share of national security funding. In 2013, veterans programs will cost the federal government $138 billion.

That brings us to $847 billion -- and we’re not done yet.

Taxpayers also fund pensions and other retirement benefits for non-veteran military retirees, which will cost $55 billion next year. And then there are the retirement costs for civilians who worked at the Department of Defense and now draw pensions and benefits. The federal government doesn’t publish a number on this, but based on the share of the federal workforce employed at the Pentagon, we can estimate that its civilian retirees will cost taxpayers around $21 billion in 2013.

By now, we’ve made it to $923 billion -- and we’re finally almost done.

Just one more thing to add in, a miscellaneous defense account that’s separate from the defense base budget. It’s called “defense-related activities,” and it’s got $8 billion in it for 2013.

That brings our grand total to an astonishing $931 billion.

And this will turn out to be a conservative figure. We won’t spend less than that, but among other things, it doesn’t include the interest we’re paying on money we borrowed to fund past military operations; nor does it include portions of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration that are dedicated to national security. And we don’t know if this number captures the entire intelligence budget or not, because parts of intelligence funding are classified.

For now, however, that whopping $931 billion for fiscal year 2013 will have to do. If our national security budget were its own economy, it would be the 19th largest in the world, roughly the size of Australia’s. Meanwhile, the country with the next largest military budget, China, spends a mere pittance by comparison. The most recent estimate puts China’s military funding at around $136 billion.

Or think of it this way: National security accounts for one quarter of every dollar the federal government is projected to spend in 2013. And if you pull trust funds for programs like Social Security out of the equation, that figure rises to more than one third of every dollar in the projected 2013 federal budget.

Yet the House recently passed legislation to spare the defense budget from cuts, arguing that the automatic spending reductions scheduled for January 2013 would compromise national security. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta has said such automatic cuts, which would total around $55 billion in 2013, would be “disastrous” for the defense budget. To avoid them, the House would instead pull money from the National School Lunch Program, the Children’s Health Insurance Program, Medicaid, food stamps, and programs like the Social Services Block Grant, which funds Meals on Wheels, among other initiatives.

Yet it wouldn’t be difficult to find savings in that $931 billion.  There’s plenty of low-hanging fruit, starting with various costly weapons systems left over from the Cold War, like the Virginia class submarine, the V-22 Osprey tiltrotor aircraft, the missile defense program, and the most expensive weapons system on the planet, the F-35 jet fighter. Cutting back or cancelling some of these programs would save billions of dollars annually.

In fact, Congress could find much deeper savings, but it would require fundamentally redefining national security in this country. On this issue, the American public is already several steps ahead of Washington. Americans overwhelmingly think that national security funding should be cut -- deeply.

If lawmakers don’t pay closer attention to their constituents, we already know the alternative: pulling school-lunch funding.
http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175545/ … an_war_pay


It's a good thing we have a large military to protect us from the terrorist with their ICBMs and stealth bombers.
RTHKI
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nuclear waste cleanup doesnt include power plants?
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RTHKI
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wish they didnt cut the blue angels and thunderbirds
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13/f/taiwan
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the republicans can use this plus the gun debate to take back the house and win some senate seats next year. GOP/American voters are an easily lead constituency. we voted for bush and obama, twice!

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CC-Marley
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Obama twice as well.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
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13/f/taiwan wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM

the republicans can use this plus the gun debate to take back the house and win some senate seats next year. GOP/American voters are an easily lead constituency. we voted for bush and obama, twice!
You mean take back the Senate. 

And ya Obama seems to be having several prolonged Nixon like moments this year.
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
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what a brainwashed fucking moron.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
13/f/taiwan
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come again?
jord
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Shahter wrote:

what a brainwashed fucking moron.
you throw around the term brainwashed far too much. this is a guy who has taken actions purely of his own accord after thinking it over what, a few years now? regardless of how anyone feels about whistleblowing i think the last word that comes to mind when reading about this story is "another brainwashed peon".

he has access to a significant amount of primary source data and makes his own informed decision to act at the cost of his own quality of life. it is the opposite of brainwashed. stop overusing the word, it has lost all value when connected to your posts.

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BVC
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PRISM.

If Russia had done something like this had happened in the 60s, 70s or 80s, they would be cast as freedom-hating commie pinko spies/bastards.

So why is it now okay for the US to spy on the rest of the world?
13/f/taiwan
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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti … n/Dp03vGYD

Almost 32k signatures.

BBC is reporting that he is "missing." I think they're jumping the gun too soon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-cana … icRSS20-sa
Extra Medium
THE UZI SLAYER
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Edward Snowden is a fucking hero.

Someone should photoshop his face onto one of those old WWII posters that say "This man fights for freedom, This man fights for YOU!."
Macbeth
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Much like the 2008-2009 economic crisis caused sales of Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged to spike, the revelations that the NSA is obtaining the phone records of millions of Americans has led to a surge in sales of George Orwell’s book, Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Originally published on June 8, 1949, the book tells the story of a dystopian society led by Big Brother that is rife with war and government surveillance. Ironically, the 64th anniversary of the book’s release came just a couple of days after the NSA scandal became public knowledge.

Charlie Spiering noted this morning at the Washington Examiner that sales of Nineteen Eighty-Four had jumped by 69%, according to the Amazon “Movers and Shakers” list. He updated the post a little later this afternoon to note that sales are now up by 91%.


I am sure everyone who bought 1984 and Atlas Shrugged feel real informed now.
DesertFox-
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Who the hell buys a fiction book as a reaction to a news story, especially a book so prevalent that words such as "Orwellian" and "Huxley-esque" are part of the common lexicon? It's not going to tell you anything new, and did they just think people talking about Big Brother were referring to the reality TV show?

Americans...
13/f/taiwan
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Extra Medium wrote:

Edward Snowden is a fucking hero.

Someone should photoshop his face onto one of those old WWII posters that say "This man fights for freedom, This man fights for YOU!."
What about Bradley Manning?
Macbeth
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Manning stood up for the rights of people who weren't American. Not a hero.
Extra Medium
THE UZI SLAYER
+79|4581|Oklahoma

13/f/taiwan wrote:

Extra Medium wrote:

Edward Snowden is a fucking hero.

Someone should photoshop his face onto one of those old WWII posters that say "This man fights for freedom, This man fights for YOU!."
What about Bradley Manning?
Manning's a fucking idiot.
Macbeth
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American society has a victim complex.
Adams_BJ
Russian warship, go fuck yourself
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gosh
13/f/taiwan
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jay carney is a dork.
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7161|Moscow, Russia

13/f/taiwan wrote:

come again?
what part of "brainwashed fucking moron" do you not understand? if that... ummm... character is genuine article and not a part of some kinda staged event to weed out cretins like assange and manning, then he actually believes that 1) there's actual democracy and freedom in usa and 2) he can make a difference by "wistleblowing" - so, basically, the guy's an idiot. as i said, if he's not a sellout or a provocateur of some kind, he has abandoned his position of importance and responsibility to do - what?! - expose "shady practices" of secret services? and he actually believes that by publicly saying what any person with half a brain already knew he would accomplish something? pffft... so they can find - or, indeed, manufacture - dirt on just about anybody. what, they couldn't do that before? really? oh, not on the scale they are going to be able to do it now, i get it, what are you going to do about it? stop the technology from advancing? how?

this whole event is a joke. the geenie is out of the bottle - been for quite some time, actually. the technology is there and it will be used regardless of what assorted lowings and the likes may have to say about it. deal with it.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

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