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republicans in my living memory have always had a weird relationship with education. they'll pester and nag about student performance in school, nag kids they must go to college for something, and bemoan the lack of educated people qualified for certain positions.

singularly unwilling to support measures to boost these numbers, begrudge and actually despise the college-educated liberal scum. at the same time, they'll find a way to blame biden if doctors become even more scarce. trump's doing the best he can but he's only president!

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in the style of 1970s dystopian sci-fi, write a story that takes place in 2031. america is into trump's third term (4th, if people still believes biden stole 2020). the man, in rapidly declining health, weakly gesticulates in mockery of the american victims of the polio resurgence. the rally audience booms with the cheers of the poor, who just want to make it into the lower middle class, but are happy to wait as long as necessary until the last transperson is sniffed out and bussed away to camp. a gaggle of qanon shaman's disciples make a particular spectacle of themselves. ringed around the audience is the armed, jan 6 paramilitary who are there to escort dissenters into the back alleyway. kill orders are deployed via proud boy issue neuralink.

elsewhere, ailing americans beg and plead to stowaway aboard a flight bound for columbia to get their vaccinations. but it's too late for that. they already have The Virus.

mexico finishes the wall and stations troops there. canada, still on high alert from threats of annexation, builds their own. the world holds its breath in the hopes that the creaking american military will fall into ineffectual disrepair as funds are increasingly misappropriated for elon musk's side projects in his mysterious capacity as Unlisted.

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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

republicans in my living memory have always had a weird relationship with education. they'll pester and nag about student performance in school, nag kids they must go to college for something, and bemoan the lack of educated people qualified for certain positions.

singularly unwilling to support measures to boost these numbers, begrudge and actually despise the college-educated liberal scum. at the same time, they'll find a way to blame biden if doctors become even more scarce. trump's doing the best he can but he's only president!

prompt for chatgpt wrote:

in the style of 1970s dystopian sci-fi, write a story that takes place in 2031. america is into trump's third term (4th, if people still believes biden stole 2020). the man, in rapidly declining health, weakly gesticulates in mockery of the american victims of the polio resurgence. the rally audience booms with the cheers of the poor, who just want to make it into the lower middle class, but are happy to wait as long as necessary until the last transperson is sniffed out and bussed away to camp. a gaggle of qanon shaman's disciples make a particular spectacle of themselves. ringed around the audience is the armed, jan 6 paramilitary who are there to escort dissenters into the back alleyway. kill orders are deployed via proud boy issue neuralink.

elsewhere, ailing americans beg and plead to stowaway aboard a flight bound for columbia to get their vaccinations. but it's too late for that. they already have The Virus.

mexico finishes the wall and stations troops there. canada, still on high alert from threats of annexation, builds their own. the world holds its breath in the hopes that the creaking american military will fall into ineffectual disrepair as funds are increasingly misappropriated for elon musk's side projects in his mysterious capacity as Unlisted.
**THE LAST AMERICAN** 

The sky over Atlanta was an acrid shade of orange, a permanent twilight of smoke and synthetic clouds. The air hummed with the crackle of distant gunfire, sporadic and unremarkable, like the chirping of nocturnal insects in a world that had forgotten nature. 

Beneath the glow of floodlights, the Georgia Dome—now renamed *The American Resurrection Center*—shuddered with the chants of the faithful. Trump, barely able to lift his arm, flicked a withered wrist, mocking the slow, clumsy movements of polio victims who had stumbled into frame before the broadcast censors could cut away. 

A collective *hoo-rah* erupted from the stands. The poor, the desperate, the ones promised a return to greatness—though the exact mechanics of that promise remained elusive—cheered loudest of all. They still dreamt of clawing their way into the lower-middle class, even if the dream came with an asterisk. The conditions were clear: trans people were to be sniffed out and bussed away, their destinations a whispered legend of cold barracks and silent disappearances. The word *camp* was only ever spoken in conspiratorial tones, always with the modifier *processing* attached. 

On the field, a pack of shirtless men draped in tattered furs shrieked and cavorted like medieval flagellants. They called themselves *The Last Sons of Q*, an homage to the long-failed digital prophet whose prophecies never came true—but whose spirit, it turned out, was more enduring than truth itself. One of them, a young man with a buffalo headdress and face paint thick enough to disguise his malnourishment, raised his hands to the heavens and howled, a religious ecstasy amplified by the chorus of AR-15s slung over their backs. 

Ringed around the spectacle were the Jan 6ers, their paramilitary uniforms a disjointed mosaic of stolen police riot gear, militia patches, and weather-beaten MAGA hats. They carried shotguns and cattle prods, but the real weapon was the Neuralink implant fused to their occipital lobes. At a word from *Unlisted*, a Proud Boy-issued directive would fire into their skulls, instructing them who to kill, who to maim, and who to “escort” out the back alley, where the order *open casket optional* was the last thing dissenters would ever hear. 

**—Elsewhere—** 

At the edge of a crumbling Miami airstrip, families huddled in the shadows, desperate for a flight. Not just any flight. *The Flight.* 

The one bound for Colombia. 

The only place left where a polio vaccine could be had—if one was rich enough, or clever enough, or lucky enough to hide in the wheel well of a departing plane and survive the altitude. 

But there was no hope for them. They had *The Virus.* 

It was in their bones, their blood, in the way their arms had begun to stiffen and curl inward, in the way their children’s legs no longer worked. They begged anyway. Their money, their jewelry, their flesh—anything for a seat in the cargo hold of a jet that would never take them. 

From the tarmac, a black-uniformed official waved the pilot away. “Contaminated,” he barked, voice amplified through a megaphone. The flight crew nodded grimly. The doors sealed. The engines flared to life. 

On the ground, a woman fell to her knees, her baby coughing weakly in her arms. 

**—Elsewhere—** 

In the north, the final section of *The Wall* was placed, but the ceremony was muted. Mexico had long since deployed troops to keep Americans out, their rifles trained southward. 

The Canadian border was worse. Where once there had been lazy checkpoints and quiet highways, there was now a sprawling steel blockade manned by uneasy Mounties. The Americans had threatened annexation more than once, and Canada was done gambling on their inaction. 

Inside the Pentagon, the last remnants of the American military gathered in dimly lit rooms, their funding siphoned for projects that never materialized, their top brass desperate for a sense of purpose. 

But Elon Musk had a purpose. 

In his role as *Unlisted*, he no longer required a title. No longer needed a position in government. The money funneled into his enterprises made the old chain of command irrelevant. His projects—whatever they were—received priority over food distribution, over disease control, over *everything.* No one knew where he was anymore. The last time he had been seen in public, he was wearing mirrored sunglasses and a silver jumpsuit, mumbling something about *Mars or bust.* 

But no one was going to Mars. 

No one was going anywhere. 

The world watched America’s decline in uneasy silence, hoping the beast would die before it thrashed too hard. Before its war machine, barely held together with duct tape and hubris, decided to lash out one last time. 

But for now, the cheers from Atlanta still echoed into the night. 

And in the dark, the Neuralink kill orders pulsed to life.
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And in the dark, the Neuralink kill orders pulsed to life.
metal

Mexico had long since deployed troops to keep Americans out, their rifles trained southward.
in all, very chatgpt lol

dilbert directions.

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Ukraine is fucked. Trump is calling the president a dictator.

He is going to use this as a pretext to pull all aid and support for Ukraine. I would be unsurprised if Trump orders the military to provide support to the Russian military.

It will be up to the E.U. to defend against Russia alone.
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the EU plus turkey, it seems, who are vitally strategically important at this point.

regardless of what you think on the competing claims of russia/ukraine, it is an utterly disgraceful dereliction by the US foreign policy establishment. crazy to support an ally for years and then to u-turn and not even invite them to the negotiations. appalling, when you think about it. what sort of peace can be negotiated without the country that has been flattened and half bled to death the last 3 years? the arrogance of it. trump genuinely believes that his value-for-money is more important than hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed ukrainians.

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Trump is genuinely on the side of Russia. He sees Russia as on his side against the woke liberals in the U.S. Ukrainian minerals and all of that other shit doesn't matter. MAGA sees themselves locked in a death struggle at home and any help from abroad is welcome.
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uziq
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don't half of trump's cabinet picks have pretty unsavory ties to russia? it's too easy to shade into conspiratorial talk when discussing these things. but seems like a few figures are just openly, plainly russia stooges?
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Europe is cooked. The continent will look more like the U.S. in a few decades as social service spending recedes and defense spending increases.
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uziq
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i think you’re recycling a MAGA talking point (or gloat) there.

there’s this cope from overworked and unhappy americans that europeans’ perceived higher standard of living (in non-economic metrics, anyway) is all a function of their free american largesse (never mind the multi-generational effects of the marshall plan or american debt loading, ahem). the european model of living isn’t predicated on their (supposed) skimping of contributions to the NATO budget. don’t be a midwit.

europe has made a generational misstep in becoming reliant on cheap russian energy and cheap chinese labour. but it still has a large energy and industrial base (never mind america blowing up their pipelines, ahem). but there’s no reason it can’t course-correct and rearm while also maintaining its standard of living. will there be pain in this? of course. interest rates aren’t at rock bottom anymore; inflation is licking its lips and baring its teeth; there’s an ongoing migrant crisis constantly putting pressure on borders and public services. but europe taxes high and spends high. it isn’t anything like as unequal or cutthroat as america. there isn’t a vast gulf between executive pay and workers. those workers have more protections; unions have more sway. is it going to replace the world-girdling might of the american military? no, of course not, not with any % of regional GDP. but in no ways is it ‘going to look like america’ in the near future.

europe still makes a lot of things that the rest of the world want as a trading bloc. big demand for german cars and all that LVMH swag in china. part of trump’s whole protectionist tantrum is because america doesn’t make that stuff anymore. nobody in china aspires to own a general motors vehicle. america has issues with its trade deficit, not europe.

europe will feel some pain as it figures out what to do in the vacuum without america. but the idea their welfare states are propped up by america is really copium and self-love from yanks who have learned to love the sound of their master’s voice. europeans still pay a lot of tax for all those free public transport networks and city crèches, remember. and the first reaction and reshuffling of funds appear to be from cutting things like foreign aid, not social spending.

there’s been a lack of growth and innovation in the EU for a while, granted. recovery from covid was sluggish. inflationary and supply pressures due to ukraine are much more directly felt. it’s not the rosiest picture macroeconomically. no doubt there’s plenty of centrists in power there who think the answer to that is more austerity and more cuts, regardless of NATO or america’s commitments. but europe also doesn’t have the federal reserve to make the money machine go brrrr during covid or similar crises. any monetarist tampering with the money supply there will blow up an already precarious eurozone/currency. americans never have to think about that with the dollar. (you literally avoided a major economic fallout from the pandemic by giving free money to everyone and juicing the stock market with more fake points). a lot of its low growth and innovation is kind of a consequence of being on a leash, strategically speaking, to keep america happy. americans don’t like to acknowledge their sometimes coercive role as the global hegemon.

besides, a lot of the reason europe is in this geopolitical moment is because the USA led it down the primrose path. nobody in the baltic states or denmark were pushing for NATO to piss off putin. that’s on the american foreign policy establishment. NATO after all has basically been a vehicle for american interests more than anyone else’s. don’t gloat at europe when you abandon them, because you’re envious of their generous annual leave packages or whatever.

lastly, consider the ‘thucydides trap’. abandoning NATO to ‘own the soft-bellied europoor libs’ is a huge self-own by america. russia vs. europe is just a small local proxy for the superpower struggle between the usa vs. china. as soon as the world sees that NATO is toothless and her allies easily abandoned, it’s over for america’s containment strategy in the south china sea. taiwan won’t even put up a fight - they’ll surrender rather than suffer years of siege and bloodshed, only to be abandoned by an orange reality tv star in the white house. bad outcome, actually, just to see europeans with nicer working hours suffer.

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I mean, I think its great that Trump is sticking it to the snooty euros, but I have a feeling this could backfire at some point.

https://i.imgur.com/p87MLES.jpeg

I think the takeaway here is that Starmer has been the only world leader to treat Trump with the sycophancy he deserves.
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i also hate to see ursula and the EU elite posture over the ukraine conflict when they’ve been avoiding any serious commitments and taking all the perks from closer ties to russia that they can. trump in that sense is correct to call their bluff - though obviously not in a way that gives putin everything he wants and makes the west look fractious and weak.

but what i don’t get is this spectacle of americans gloating over europeans ‘giving up their welfare states to militarise’. the EU is still a bloc of some of the richest countries on earth. their combined GDP is way higher than russia’s. (hell, the eurozone's combined GDP is bigger than russia and china combined). if they had the will, they could up support for ukraine and re-arm without bankrupting their quality of life. that’s just a dumb take. it wouldn't necessarily be quick to get the logistics and industrial base sorted, but it's affordable.

one thing i will grant is that european states are just not war-ready and don't have the will to fight. the whole selling point of the union is that it has turned a region mired in constant war for the last 1700 years into a peaceful and cooperative trading bloc. you can almost kind of see where the german ordoliberals were coming from in the 2000s when they wanted to build better relationships with russia. america is a very militarised society in comparison to europe. they don't have fighter jets or stealth bombers flying over their sports games or college football there (ok, they don't have stealth bombers). but congratulations to america for having a gigantic military workfare scheme that hoovers up high-school kids from alabama?

blaming the europeans in that sense is like blaming the ukrainians for agreeing to give up their nukes in the 1990s: assurances were made, and it's the USA who has been the first to move away from that model of statecraft and international relations.

also, lol: citing an image from 'bristol for europe'. some remainer account from woke-lefty white dreadlocks city. what are you actually consuming over there in your spare time? first the oxford PPE career mandarin and now this.

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I am not gloating about the Europeans losing their welfare state.

From over here there seems to be a big movement towards privatization of public services by conservative parties in Europe. Pressure from immigration is tied into it. It seems very much like what the U.S. went through in the 70s when a lot of the New Deal started to be unraveled and led us to here. The rhetoric is even the same.

The sort of military build up that Germany needs to do will affect the culture of those countries also. America would be very different if we had been pushing more kids directly into college instead of making them "earn it" in the military.

"Earn it." Lol.
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uziq
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i don't mean you personally, i mean a certain sort of right-wing discourse that is kind of relishing the pivot under trump-vance to russia.

never mind that trump has tried to shake down ukraine for a minerals deal worth more than the total aid package given to ukraine throughout the entire war -- effectively privateering rather than being the noble defender of the world order and human rights. in the long view of history nobody will remember the economics and deals cut, and will remember this as the administration in which apparently america decided to cut ties with its western allies to side with ... russia.

From over here there seems to be a big movement towards privatization of public services by conservative parties in Europe.
this is mostly exactly what happened during the reagan years. those who were sympathetic to the neoliberal project privatised and asset stripped. what is mostly taking place now today is a lot of pushing to renationalise from the left-wing. people are fed up of rising costs of living, especially when they're being driven by the runaway profits of private energy/transport companies who have turned a public good into a private right to shareholder dividends.

every time trump's team talk about europe i think they do pitch that sort of deregulation mantra from the reagan to clinton period. 'yeah, we'll talk about doing a deal with europe, but first you've got to open up your markets to our meat produce, burn some health and safety regulations, consider privatising part of your healthcare industry', etc.

blackrock and co. are growing like a mould amongst all the general stagnation and poorly managed decline. a lot of governments are looking to entities like them to fill the gap. it's the fund managing asset stripping logic applied to things like housing stock. a lot of working class people are unknowingly becoming tenants and pawns to vast corporate conglomerates hidden behind dozens of shell companies.

the centrist parties, including the social democratic centre-left, are taking cues from the populist right on immigration. the migrant crisis has intensified and become a huge problem in the years since covid. there's been a kind of roll of punches since then that have contributed to immiserating the european lower and middle class. americans are feeling it too, of course, but in a much more protected way on all fronts (covid fall-out, inflation, migrant crisis).

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uziq wrote:

i also hate to see ursula and the EU elite posture over the ukraine conflict when they’ve been avoiding any serious commitments and taking all the perks from closer ties to russia that they can. trump in that sense is correct to call their bluff - though obviously not in a way that gives putin everything he wants and makes the west look fractious and weak.
I haven't bothered to look at von der leyen too carefully, apart from seeming to be another self-serving euro-socialist I don't know much. I'm guessing she's level with all the other German politicians enriching themselves through Russia as they run down Europe.

but what i don’t get is this spectacle of americans gloating over europeans ‘giving up their welfare states to militarise’. the EU is still a bloc of some of the richest countries on earth. their combined GDP is way higher than russia’s. (hell, the eurozone's combined GDP is bigger than russia and china combined). if they had the will, they could up support for ukraine and re-arm without bankrupting their quality of life. that’s just a dumb take. it wouldn't necessarily be quick to get the logistics and industrial base sorted, but it's affordable.
Americans hate welfare more than anything, I thought we all knew that. They'll make their healthcare more expensive just so it doesn't count as welfare, then send their kids to join the infantry to get a good start in life.

blaming the europeans in that sense is like blaming the ukrainians for agreeing to give up their nukes in the 1990s: assurances were made, and it's the USA who has been the first to move away from that model of statecraft and international relations.
Significant blame can be pinned on the German Greens for shutting down German nuclear and coal plants leaving Russian gas as the only alternative - weakening Germany and enriching Russia enormously.

also, lol: citing an image from 'bristol for europe'. some remainer account from woke-lefty white dreadlocks city. what are you actually consuming over there in your spare time? first the oxford PPE career mandarin and now this.
lol
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uziq
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yes the german greens look singularly whacko in the long view. their views looked strange even before the war, just in comparing the energy profiles of germany and france, for example.

but again, the liberal paradigm was ‘more cooperation and better links’ and it was putin who decisively broke with that. the russian elite was doing a lot of wooing with their energy and resources too. putin was once the best friend of bush-blair, schroeder et al, and european defense companies, the UK’s notably, were helping him to level grozny. a lot has changed, eh?

the americans who are enjoying all this spectacle and (supposedly) engaging in schadenfreude over the weakening of europe are very dumb. trump and the populist right act disgusted over their leading contributions to NATO, as if having a gargantuan military budget hasn’t been a core aspect of the american empire and economy. like they’ve been spending so much for so many decades out of charity.

the trump-era urge to disengage from foreign interventionism, and with it all the purging of the intelligence and defense state, is a tacit admission that, in their particular worldview, america more or less now exists in a multipolar world alongside actors like china and russia. trump surely recognises that he can’t use his typical strong-arming or bullying techniques to get what he wants out of xi or putin. pulling out of NATO, say, is admitting a drastically reduced ambition for america in the next century - in sharp contrast to the democrat’s worldview. but trump’s followers think it’s great that europe are ‘now paying for their war’, while america focuses on itself (which is to say, the oligarchs and billionaires get busy looting and tax cutting).

it’s like they’re owning themselves just to spite european libs for taking long holidays or something. a very blinkered worldview, to say the least. being the global hegemon has suited them perfectly fine for a long time.

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Historically the US hasn't really spent that much on NATO or defending Europe - I'm sure a lot of the actual expenditure has been elsewhere such as the middle east, and for workfare reasons the military would have been that big anyway, so it didn't matter if they were parked in Utah or Bonn.
Is Trump talking about downsizing the military or cutting military contracts? Of course not, so there is no leaving-NATO DOGE benefit, everything else is getting cut to maintain the military.
None of this posturing and griping makes sense, I'm not sure its supposed to.
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uziq
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historically it's been absolutely in the US's interests for NATO to be its plaything in europe -- not to mention the role the US played in defeating actual left-wing politics on the continent in the years between 1945-1991. if genuine alternatives to the status quo in europe look so pallid, a part of that at least can be attributed to the big 'ole USA.

a bunch of quiescent centrist-liberal regimes who pay their token fealty into the NATO budget for their 'protection' while the USA puts bases all around the world was exactly in line with the hegemon's wishes. trump is giving that historical 'protection' a distinctly new york mobster feel.
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You guys are all overthinking this anti-NATO stuff. It simply has to do with the fact that Republicans look at Russia as a bastion of traditional lifestyle and culture.
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They don't want the U.S. funding a war against the wobbly trad nation. The Republicans accept all of the negative effects happening to this country because they don't view themselves as part of American society any longer.
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uziq
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yeah, i think you're right in part. trump's sympathies with putin, xi, kim et al. really just comes down to the fact that he likes big tough guys. that's how he navigates business and makes sense of the world. there's little ideology or policy undergirding any of this: it's just dogs sniffing each other's butts and trying to ascertain who has the biggest balls.

it is very bizarre that middle america has slowly shifted to this worldview where they now all parrot the line, 'what should i have against russia?' obviously, the cold war 'manchurian candidate' fearmongering went too far the other way, all that talk of 'the soviet mind' and so on, but it's very strange that a populace who used to pride themselves on their 'freedom-loving' way of life are now more emotionally aligned with a foreign dictator than with their democrat-voting compatriots. very odd indeed.

meanwhile the 'trad' aspects of russia itself are too bizarre to unpack. look into the writings of dugin and his 'eurasianism' schtick. they literally think that western europeans are some sort of weird inferior swamp-race.

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The Russians used to influence college kids into communism back in the day. Now they do to right leaning people. The objectives and even the targets are the same. Disaffected people.

I would guess that even the "no longer my America" thing isn't new either. People probably felt that way in the 70s when "Classic Rock" was still subversive.
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another one of mac's hearts of iron events just ticked.


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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ … bout-trump (i know, guardian)

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