Presidential Election 2016

2017-02-01 21:47:15

#2851

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3985

I am not bothered by the temporary ban. I wouldn't be bothered by a ban on most Muslims countries in fact. I am not obsessed with immigration for the sake of immigration like a lot of lefties are.

I am very annoyed that housing cost are going to keep going up in my area while immigrants especially from China and India keep moving in. I am going to be priced out of my hometown one day the same way I am already priced out of my birth city.

2017-02-01 23:56:12

#2852

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6371|eXtreme to the maX

What I like most is how right-wing radicals cast themselves as conservative traditionalists, and the wilfully ignorant like Jay lap it up.

"Lets ban abortion, expand the army, cut taxes for businesses, expand govt borrowing and spending and throw the constitution in the bin"

"Nothing to see here, this is cautious conservatism in action, nothing is actually happening"

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2017-02-02 00:46:19)

Fuck Israel

2017-02-02 01:24:50

#2853

uziq: Member; +498|3717

conservatism has always branded itself as common sense. like duh, why would you want to do anything else? but it's motivated by venality and often times outright bigotry.

2017-02-02 01:27:09

#2854

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6371|eXtreme to the maX

But Trump and even typical Republicanism are anything but 'conservative'

Fuck Israel

2017-02-02 01:33:00

#2855

uziq: Member; +498|3717

i don't think even jay has read his burke.

2017-02-02 03:29:17

#2856

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5623|London, England

Dilbert_X wrote:
What I like most is how right-wing radicals cast themselves as conservative traditionalists, and the wilfully ignorant like Jay lap it up.

"Lets ban abortion, expand the army, cut taxes for businesses, expand govt borrowing and spending and throw the constitution in the bin"

"Nothing to see here, this is cautious conservatism in action, nothing is actually happening"

I don't want any of those things though.

Edit- except corporate taxes if it's offset by spending cuts, not transferring the burden to consumers with a VAT like Paul Ryan wants.

Last edited by Jay (2017-02-02 03:43:25)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2017-02-02 03:59:43

#2857

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6371|eXtreme to the maX

But that's the sort of thing which is being proposed -such as corporate tax cuts tied to increased govt spending and borrowing - and you're applauding their 'conservative constitutionalism'.

Fuck Israel

2017-02-02 04:00:12

#2858

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6371|eXtreme to the maX

And VAT makes very good fiscal sense.

Fuck Israel

2017-02-02 04:19:03

#2859

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5623|London, England

Dilbert_X wrote:
And VAT makes very good fiscal sense.

Please explain, because to me it's just a 20% regressive sales tax tacked onto all goods. I already pay 9.875% sales tax to new York state.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2017-02-02 04:19:10

#2860

uziq: Member; +498|3717

my only problem with VAT is that, compared to progressive and income-weighted tax, relatively minor increases in VAT have a disproportionately crushing effect on the little guy. VAT can be a pretty specious way to tax someone when you're combining it with income tax cuts to the top brackets.

2017-02-02 04:23:58

#2861

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5623|London, England

Also, we (American consumers) currently have an advantage by not having a VAT since all of your exports are VAT free.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2017-02-02 05:00:31

#2862

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6371|eXtreme to the maX

Jay wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
And VAT makes very good fiscal sense.
Please explain, because to me it's just a 20% regressive sales tax tacked onto all goods. I already pay 9.875% sales tax to new York state.

Corporation tax is just a regressive 30% tax tacked onto all companies. How does that make sense?

It makes sense to me to tax consumption and production evenly, or why would anyone bother producing anything when they could just be a retailer or importer?

If for no other reason it makes sense to be level with other countries, how can US companies, taxed at 30% say, compete with foreign companies taxed at 10 or 20%? Its why companies have moved their tax and manufacturing bases offshore and they're paying no tax at all to America, and America produces nothing.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2017-02-02 05:00:58)

Fuck Israel

2017-02-02 05:12:39

#2863

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5623|London, England

We don't need to produce anything as long as we're the reserve currency

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2017-02-02 08:59:56

#2864

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3985

President Donald Trump threatened to withdraw federal funding from the University of California at Berkeley over its decision to cancel an event at which Breitbart writer Milo Yiannopoulos, known for his provocative and often misogynistic stances, was scheduled to speak.

“If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view - NO FEDERAL FUNDS?” Trump wrote on Twitter Thursday morning.

The university opted to cancel Yiannopoulos’s speech roughly two hours before it was set to begin after a protest against his presence on the campus turned violent, CNN reported. The school blamed “150 masked agitators” with igniting the violence, which included Molotov cocktails and fireworks launched at police.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/t … los-234530

Trump is willing to screw over a top university because a gay troll couldn't speak there. Very presidential

2017-02-02 09:32:53

#2865

uziq: Member; +498|3717

fucking moron.

2017-02-02 10:19:06

#2866

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,979|6897|949

yawn

has no authority to strip one specific school based on his whims. This is getting tedious. Yes, the guy is a fucking buffoon. Yes, he is the United States President. Yes, he's going to do a bunch of stupid stuff. Getting tired of the news going crazy every time the bastard farts into the wind.

2017-02-02 10:19:50

#2867

uziq: Member; +498|3717

https://twitter.com/hmclandress/status/ … 4209770496

is this why jay loves this supreme court pick so much?

2017-02-02 10:36:36

#2868

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3985

As long as his tax bill goes down $1500 he won't care.

2017-02-02 10:36:37

#2869

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3985

As long as his tax bill goes down $1500 he won't care.

2017-02-02 11:36:13

#2870

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,979|6897|949

eh, i don't think it's fair to judge a guy based on what kind of things he was doing when he was 16 years old.

2017-02-02 11:46:53

#2871

uziq: Member; +498|3717

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
eh, i don't think it's fair to judge a guy based on what kind of things he was doing when he was 16 years old.

i was joking. it's just my point that jay has dismissed two readings of the constitution as 'progressive' but will no doubt agree with all of this guy's interpretations because he's echt-conservative and suits jay's own political prejudices. remember when jay lectured us on how an originalist reading is taken, using semantics (good job telling a lit student about semantics) and context? and then dismissed the brookings institute's own originalist reading of the emoluments clause?

but of course this guy's interpretations will be bang on the money because he's conservative and banters about fascism.

Last edited by uziq (2017-02-02 11:47:17)

2017-02-02 11:56:41

#2872

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6371|eXtreme to the maX

Jay wrote:
We don't need to produce anything as long as we're the reserve currency

Ha ha OK - tell that to all the unemployed blue-collar oafs who just elected Trump - whats your suggestion for them - retrain as Java and C++ programmers?

And if you're not the reserve currency? What then? Annoy China and it will happen.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2017-02-02 12:00:22)

Fuck Israel

2017-02-02 12:09:18

#2873

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5623|London, England

SuperJail Warden wrote:
President Donald Trump threatened to withdraw federal funding from the University of California at Berkeley over its decision to cancel an event at which Breitbart writer Milo Yiannopoulos, known for his provocative and often misogynistic stances, was scheduled to speak.

“If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view - NO FEDERAL FUNDS?” Trump wrote on Twitter Thursday morning.

The university opted to cancel Yiannopoulos’s speech roughly two hours before it was set to begin after a protest against his presence on the campus turned violent, CNN reported. The school blamed “150 masked agitators” with igniting the violence, which included Molotov cocktails and fireworks launched at police.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/t … los-234530

Trump is willing to screw over a top university because a gay troll couldn't speak there. Very presidential

Well, I mean, the riot wasn't a good look.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2017-02-02 12:30:19

#2874

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6418|what

Jay wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
President Donald Trump threatened to withdraw federal funding from the University of California at Berkeley over its decision to cancel an event at which Breitbart writer Milo Yiannopoulos, known for his provocative and often misogynistic stances, was scheduled to speak.

“If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view - NO FEDERAL FUNDS?” Trump wrote on Twitter Thursday morning.

The university opted to cancel Yiannopoulos’s speech roughly two hours before it was set to begin after a protest against his presence on the campus turned violent, CNN reported. The school blamed “150 masked agitators” with igniting the violence, which included Molotov cocktails and fireworks launched at police.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/t … los-234530

Trump is willing to screw over a top university because a gay troll couldn't speak there. Very presidential
Well, I mean, the riot wasn't a good look.

Milo argues that white male scholarships are needed to put us on equal footing with blacks, gays and women.

He's a troll, he's Bill O'Reilly without the tv show.

Republicans will support white supremacists views like that because 'much free speech' when he deserves nothing but condemnation. It's just a dog whistle for the racists.

Have you no thought on how utterly wrong his hate speech is?

2017-02-02 12:47:25

#2875

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5623|London, England

AussieReaper wrote:
Jay wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/t … los-234530

Trump is willing to screw over a top university because a gay troll couldn't speak there. Very presidential
Well, I mean, the riot wasn't a good look.
Milo argues that white male scholarships are needed to put us on equal footing with blacks, gays and women.

He's a troll, he's Bill O'Reilly without the tv show.

Republicans will support white supremacists views like that because 'much free speech' when he deserves nothing but condemnation. It's just a dog whistle for the racists.

Have you no thought on how utterly wrong his hate speech is?

He's provacative, yes.

I believe in free speech, even when I disagree with the message strongly. He was invited and should've been allowed to speak. The real fascists are the ones trying to silence others. Like I said, it's not a good look.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

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