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2020-09-30 11:09:14
uziq
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nobody is saying the OK sign makes you a racist. jesus fucking christ.

but it’s a code to signal ‘white power’ within the alt-right. a bunch of people at a rally in yellow fred perry polos, making an OK sign, are not using it in the same way you use an emoji.

why does this have to be explained to you?



did you know the swastika is all over asia?!? wauw !!!

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2020-09-30 11:24:18
Larssen
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I was talking more elaborately about pepe, which did end up being the subject of a row in which it was explicated that this was an international symbol of racism.

I'm very much aware of the importance of symbolism within specific contexts and identity groups. Sure, it could be that the OK signal is also used by a tiny american subgroup of ultra racists, first time I'm hearing of it though. Neither are even remotely comparable to the level of organisation in nazism.

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2020-09-30 11:42:32
uziq
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who compared it to nazism? they're a white supremacist organisation in the states, classified as such by the FBI, SPLC, ADL, etc. it's as simple as that.

are you having trouble reading today or what? dilbert claimed proud boys weren't provably white supremacist. their use of codes, symbols and their racist-as-fuck rhetoric on the internet and at rallies would suggest they very much are. their claims to be 'anti-white guilt' are a pleasant euphemism. liberals with qualms about 'guilt' narratives don't join street gangs, dress in identifiable uniforms, make secret symbols at one another, and punch strangers in the face.

this is your first time hearing about the proud boys? really? they've been in and out of the news cycle for years. they have been presences at all of the large and by-now infamous 'unite the right' rallies. same deal as richard spencer and lately the boogaloo boys in their hawaiian shirts.
2020-09-30 12:52:23
Superior Mind
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We could see ourselves a three way stand off if not a Mexican one with feds pointing guns w/lead bullets at far right & far left militias.
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2020-09-30 13:07:20
uziq
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are there left-wing militias? genuine question. the proud boys and boogaloo boys need their phantasmal 'antifa' threat like any far-right ideology needs a defined enemy.

i know there are armed groups of black panther-adjacent groups, but i wasn't aware there are actually well-organised left-wing groups. antifa seems to be a very broad church, quite decentralised and horizontalist.

and, yes, outbreaks of violence are a depressing certainty at this point, i think. aided and abetted by the commander-in-chief himself.
2020-09-30 14:48:52
SuperJail Warden
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Proud Boy are just the latest manifestation of violent right wingers who in another time would have joined a local KKK chapter. They are most strong in places that accept their ideology and condone their behavior. NYC actually sent a few to prison for years long sentences as a result of a street fight against protesters whose description honestly sounds like black bloc.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/22/nyre … tence.html

They are getting a lot of attention for their Portland actions because that city seems to be in political flux. If they did what they did in Portland in NYC or Chicago etc, they would have been met with violent local resistance and eventual law enforcement prosecution. You cannot open or concealed carry in those places either.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
2020-09-30 14:57:40
Superior Mind
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uziq wrote:

are there left-wing militias? genuine question. the proud boys and boogaloo boys need their phantasmal 'antifa' threat like any far-right ideology needs a defined enemy.

i know there are armed groups of black panther-adjacent groups, but i wasn't aware there are actually well-organised left-wing groups. antifa seems to be a very broad church, quite decentralised and horizontalist.

and, yes, outbreaks of violence are a depressing certainty at this point, i think. aided and abetted by the commander-in-chief himself.
There is an armed black militia currently- forgot its name- but they do exercises and drills like any other militia.
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2020-09-30 15:33:26
unnamednewbie13
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As an aside, armed white militants can get away with storming into a state building to shout at legislators in session. Concern I hear from people over the blacks arming up seems a bit late to the punch, to mix metaphors.
2020-09-30 16:28:30
uziq
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Superior Mind wrote:

uziq wrote:

are there left-wing militias? genuine question. the proud boys and boogaloo boys need their phantasmal 'antifa' threat like any far-right ideology needs a defined enemy.

i know there are armed groups of black panther-adjacent groups, but i wasn't aware there are actually well-organised left-wing groups. antifa seems to be a very broad church, quite decentralised and horizontalist.

and, yes, outbreaks of violence are a depressing certainty at this point, i think. aided and abetted by the commander-in-chief himself.
There is an armed black militia currently- forgot its name- but they do exercises and drills like any other militia.
yep, i know the group you are talking about. they do not see eye-to-eye with BLM and both groups have spoken disapprovingly of one another.
2020-09-30 17:07:49
SuperJail Warden
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I have been seeing a bunch of Trump internets ads for months. I am now seeing a flood of Biden internet ads. I remember an article that said Trump blew a lot of money on internet ads before the general was even near. Now it seems like Biden is outspending on ads right near the end of things.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
2020-10-01 08:38:39
uziq
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https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2020/septemb … ive-dismal

On the question of whether Donald Trump is a sinister mastermind or an incompetent scumbag (not mutually exclusive), last night’s debate will have to register in the scumbag column. His constant interruptions, vanity, self-pity and frequent forays into lies and nonsense are all by this point wearyingly familiar. Of course, Trump has been consistently underestimated since he entered politics, and his supporters no doubt enjoyed the petulant way he dominated proceedings. But his abuse of Biden was a far cry from the humiliations to which he subjected his opponents in the 2016 GOP primary debates. The show has gotten old.

A CBS News poll found that most viewers had a negative reaction to the event, with ‘annoying’ being the most common descriptor. Trump is a phenomenon created by television and abetted by social media; the path to his demise will be paved with low ratings. Liberals have always found him repulsive. The question is when the rest of the voters will get tired of him.

[...]

It must be frustrating for a Democratic politician who has spent his career pandering to the right to be accused of being beholden to the ‘radical left’. When Trump said, ‘Your party wants socialist medicine and socialist healthcare,’ Biden replied: ‘The party is me. Right now, I am the Democratic Party.’

That moment, early on, may have been the most significant of the night. It represented a line of attack different from the one Trump pursued against Clinton – that she embodied a corrupt establishment that had sold out American workers and mired the country in endless wars –and was easily refuted by Biden because it simply isn’t true. The narrative advanced daily by Fox News, and by Trump at his rallies, is that Biden is a Trojan horse for a radical cabal that has unleashed chaos on the streets of America’s cities – violence covered up by the mainstream media as ‘mostly peaceful protests’. ‘They’re going to dominate you, Joe,’ Trump said last night. ‘You know that.’ In fact, Biden knows that the left faction in the Democratic coalition has been tamed. The prospect of its defection to Trump – ‘You just lost the left,’ Trump suggested a couple of times when Biden asserted his centrism – is nil.

[...]

The question ‘Is Trump a racist?’ – still a standby of most commentary on the president – is beside the point: his rhetoric lately on immigration and violence coming to the suburbs has tipped into neo-segregationism. He dips into conspiracy theory and casts doubts on the legitimacy of the upcoming election. This is the behaviour of someone running scared.

There are many reasons to believe the Republicans have given up on their president. If they were serious about winning, why didn’t they pursue a second bail-out for the millions of Americans who have been put out of work – and are now being put out of their homes – by the pandemic? Trump seems to think that portraying the election as a contest between the (uncondemned) Proud Boys and Antifa (more an idea than an organisation, according to the FBI, as Biden pointed out) gives him a chance at a second term. Who will fish the stolen ballots out of the rivers and creeks? Stand back and stand by.
2020-10-01 10:11:29
Superior Mind
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But but, Trump isn’t another CIA puppet! He’s exposing pedos and the economy is good!

Just last night I had a friend trying to make a case for Trump. I couldn’t get past my point of “why defend an asshole?”

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2020-10-01 10:25:36
Larssen
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I disagree on the assessment that Trump is 'scared' and believe the angle that Biden is a trojan horse for the radical left is overanalysed. Trump did not come in prepared, and it is a certainty that he will also refer to Biden as another representative of the swamp / DC corruption at some point.

In a sense he is again achieving his goal though. It is Trump the media talk about, not Biden. That is all that matters to him.

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2020-10-01 10:33:51
Superior Mind
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Larssen wrote:

In a sense he is again achieving his goal though. It is Trump the media talk about, not Biden. That is all that matters to him.
It’s called narcissistic supply.

[video] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUGLfN4 … ture=share[/video]
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2020-10-01 10:52:26
uziq
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Larssen wrote:

I disagree on the assessment that Trump is 'scared' and believe the angle that Biden is a trojan horse for the radical left is overanalysed. Trump did not come in prepared, and it is a certainty that he will also refer to Biden as another representative of the swamp / DC corruption at some point.

In a sense he is again achieving his goal though. It is Trump the media talk about, not Biden. That is all that matters to him.
'overanalysed'? he has been repeating it on the podium at his rallies for the entire campaign season.

i agree that this campaign feels totally pointless -- very few voters are going to have their minds changed either way -- but the 'left insurrection' has been his whole schtick.
2020-10-01 11:02:02
Larssen
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While that's true, it's one of, and Trump is notorious for saying whatever he feels will push him in the limelight the most. He's not really concerned with having a consistent message at all, only outlines of one. Like 'crooked hillary' or 'build the wall' - it's catchphrases he latches on to. I mean he asked China to investigate 'corrupt Biden' before, so obviously there's no internal consistency at all that he's at the same time a swamp like figure and a newcoming radical leftist.
2020-10-01 11:14:42
uziq
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i don't think anyone is crediting him with a logically consistent critique. but it is a line of attack he is taking whenever it seems advantageous.
2020-10-01 18:56:52
SuperJail Warden
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I like this quote from President Wilson regarding America avoiding entering World War 1.
https://i.imgur.com/SJoYyI6.png
I think it is also eerily relevant to America in 2020. We have veterans and militarized police entering into private militias and dreaming to be urban commandos if Trump unleashed them on the liberals. Some of their madness is of course linked to our wars in the Middle East and the devaluing of life those wars resulted in. Life could be better here but it isn't worth killing and dying over. Unless of course these people are truly dumb enough to think they and their loved ones can't die too.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
2020-10-02 01:49:59
Larssen
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Well Trump tested positive for covid 19. Considering his age and overall health I suppose it's very likely he'll need ICU attendance within the next 2 weeks.

BoJo came out on top and isn't quite an example of good health so maybe Trump can survive this one. It'll shake him up though and I don't think there will be any debates this entire month. Let's hope he'll come out a little more aware of the seriousness of this disease.
2020-10-02 02:01:37
uziq
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it’s not at all ‘likely’ he’ll require ICU. that’s a bit alarmist. yes he is in a very high risk group, yes it is much deadlier than flu. but it doesn’t put every person who has it on a ventilator. you really give fuel to the Jays of this world when you say stuff like that. none of the statistics paint anything like a picture of ‘have covid over 60? you’re going to ICU’.

he’s at-risk of course. but so was jair bolsonaro. shit, i had a 90-year-old family friend who contracted covid in hospital after suffering a small stroke and she recovered fine in 2 weeks without any serious problems. berlusconi is a 230-year-old ghoul pickled in brine and he survived.

it’s dangerous but don’t talk sensationally. you just give fuel to the anti-covid people when your scary killer disease doesn’t actually gobble people up. obviously the next 10 days are going to be critically important for the satsuma in chief, but.

it’s highly unlikely that he got a heavy dose or prolonged exposure. i do believe he’s probably been very meticulously shielded and isn’t around most of his at-risk staff for a lot of the time. these things do matter and do make a difference.

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2020-10-02 02:06:19
uziq
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also it’s a master stroke to get the guy out of election debates, if so. most of his major campaign appearances have been media disasters. let the conspiracy theories rip.
2020-10-02 02:25:48
Larssen
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Fair points, I'll tack on that research indicates the second wave is less dangerous than the first; less overall hospital admissions and people don't get as ill as before.

Anyhow the statistics on overweight 75 year olds aren't great as far as I'm aware, so very likely may be an overstatement but it's not unlikely he'll need extra care if looked at the age & health group he's in. Point taken on berlusconi.

Just checked that about 30% in his age bracket require hospitalisation and around 10% ICU.

Last edited by Larssen (2020-10-02 02:27:39)

2020-10-02 03:09:49
uziq
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yeah 10-15% are the figures i've seen whilst reading the medical literature (i've published an awful lot of covid-related stuff in the last 6 months).

still frightening numbers for any infectious disease, but a positive test result is definitely a long way from a death sentence.

what is open to speculation is trump's actual health status. we do know that the last few 'doctors reports' he had that put him 'in excellent health' were basically funny charades. trump has never given an honest picture of his health. people can obviously conjecture about his terrible diet and poor lifestyle, stress/lack of sleep, etc. for all of his call-outs of 'biden on drugs', trump could be on a cocktail of blood pressure pills himself. all of this has very important implications for an inflammatory disease like covid.

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2020-10-02 05:32:16
Larssen
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Let me retract to say that I do consider it rather unlikely he will die, considering that he will have the very best medical team available monitoring him 24/7 for the next few weeks. Ventilation at some point is possibly necessary though.

I'm quite certain trump's health is not particularly good. But his fortune has probably provided him with stellar healthcare all his life.
2020-10-02 05:42:24
uziq
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herman cain did die after attending unmasked rallies. but i suspect he was in much worse shape.

 

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