well, it's complicated. that's the paradox of liberal democracy, isn't it? it has to tolerate patriotism up to a point. do you want to 'sever' the links between poland's hard-right youths or its conservative elders from the catholic church? it's evidently having an extremely pernicious influence on the society as a whole, making it revert to ethno-nationalist theocratic principles. who gets to tell them that they're not allowed to vote for that 'bad' choice? you?
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Does anyone know someone who seriously thinks Trump is going to pull off a way to stay in office in January? I don't mean a paranoid fearful person. I mean a person who genuinely believes electoral fraud is going to come on soon and Trump has a plan up his sleeve.
I think I read that an insider book suggests he'll resign and have Pence pardon him. That would be like the biggest admission of guilt, though.
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I refuse to have to explain to people how Pence was only president for a month.
Don't you have to wait for people to be charged with something before they can be pardoned?
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Trump has claimed that he has the power to pardon himself. If he doesn't go for the Pence strat, he could be the first president to try. I follow law very loosely as a reading hobby. I don't know if there's a clear answer to that in the constitution, though I remember reading about a 70s memo where a Justice Department lawyer stated a president couldn't do that. But I think it violates a legal ethic that you shouldn't sit in judgment of your own case. Pence could probably pardon Trump like Ford pardoned Nixon. But would he?
e: @dilbert I think a presidential pardon can be preemptive.
e: @dilbert I think a presidential pardon can be preemptive.
Brennan: Pence Must Invoke 25th Amendment To Stop Trump From "Declassifying Some Type Of Information"
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Former CIA Director John Brennan warned yesterday on CNN that Trump is like a "cornered cat" and may lash out before he leaves office.
"The fact...that he has the powers of the presidency in his hands is quite worrisome," Brennan told CNN's Chris Cuomo.
"If Vice President Pence and the cabinet had an ounce of fortitude and spine and patriotism, I think they would seriously consider invoking the 25th Amendment and pushing Donald Trump out because he is just very unpredictable now," he continued. "I'm very concerned what he might do in his remaining 70 days in office. Is he going to take some type of military action? Is he going to release some type of information that could in fact threaten our national security interests?"
After Trump's apparent loss in the election, his supporters, including Donald Trump Jr., suggested the president should "declassify everything" before he leaves office.
"If Vice President Pence and the Cabinet had an ounce of fortitude and spine and patriotism, I think they would seriously consider invoking the 25th Amendment and pushing Donald Trump out, because he is just very unpredictable now."
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Its a little odd that Trump is continuing to stack the DoD with cronies.
I might just put my Iran trip on hold.
I might just put my Iran trip on hold.
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War is badass and all Americans have cellphones. I will keep you updated.
Wait until China sends the signal which makes all your cellphones catch fire.
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China is going to send out the signal that uses your cellphone to turn you into a zombie.Dilbert_X wrote:
Wait until China sends the signal which makes all your cellphones catch fire.
That would be pretty dope to see happen. I can finally live out my fantasy of being epic bat man.
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"My Trump supporting neighbors are becoming more unhinged by the day. This was recorded at 6:45 this morning."
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I finally have an inkling where your fear of beards comes from.SuperJail Warden wrote:
That would be pretty dope to see happen. I can finally live out my fantasy of being epic bat man.
Charles Koch's regrets: In a rare interview, the libertarian billionaire concedes that his GOP partisanship and activism badly deepened America’s divisions. As he puts it in his new book, “Boy, did we screw up! What a mess!”
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what is it with these libertarian assholes? this is textbook jay. the slow inevitable u-turn or flop on your beliefs, then writing it all off as 'personal growth' and the equivalent of an 'oops!' moment.
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what is it with these libertarian assholes? this is textbook jay. the slow inevitable u-turn or flop on your beliefs, then writing it all off as 'personal growth' and the equivalent of an 'oops!' moment.
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I really don't feel like being conciliatory towards Trump supporters when they are still running around being obnoxious and rude. The fact that they even elected a person so rude and hostile to non-supporters makes me feel like they need to apologize before I feel like reconciling with any of them.
I rather he admits it than goes in the grave not saying anything at all. It opens the opportunity to learn, not just for him, but for everyone else as well - in exactly how he got it done, and perhaps in how to prevent it in the future.uziq wrote:
Charles Koch's regrets: In a rare interview, the libertarian billionaire concedes that his GOP partisanship and activism badly deepened America’s divisions. As he puts it in his new book, “Boy, did we screw up! What a mess!”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/charles-ko … 1605286893
what is it with these libertarian assholes? this is textbook jay. the slow inevitable u-turn or flop on your beliefs, then writing it all off as 'personal growth' and the equivalent of an 'oops!' moment.
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He isn't going to learn or change anyone's mind. He still supports the same damn things as before. He just regrets that everyone hates him for it.
I think this is usually less a learning experience and more divorcing yourself from your man. Some of the language from rats jumping ship often goes something to the effect of "we thought he'd be more mature in office! Not completely our fault."Larssen wrote:
I rather he admits it than goes in the grave not saying anything at all. It opens the opportunity to learn, not just for him, but for everyone else as well - in exactly how he got it done, and perhaps in how to prevent it in the future.uziq wrote:
Charles Koch's regrets: In a rare interview, the libertarian billionaire concedes that his GOP partisanship and activism badly deepened America’s divisions. As he puts it in his new book, “Boy, did we screw up! What a mess!”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/charles-ko … 1605286893
what is it with these libertarian assholes? this is textbook jay. the slow inevitable u-turn or flop on your beliefs, then writing it all off as 'personal growth' and the equivalent of an 'oops!' moment.
@mac: You can shame the alt-right by putting effort into normalizing divisive furor, and still disagree with their blatant racism and obscene policies. Be the adult in the room!
that's not how things work for egotists. a small personal mistake or a 'phase' for them could have actively immiserated millions of people. it could have put a dent in the ozone layer or shelved an ice cap. he is presenting enormous reactionary efforts on his and his lobbying groups' behalf as some 'oops! i spilt my drink!' moment. it's infantile and it's stupid. these people never learn because they never learned to dissociate the world from playing with their own shit as a child locked in the anal phase.Larssen wrote:
I rather he admits it than goes in the grave not saying anything at all. It opens the opportunity to learn, not just for him, but for everyone else as well - in exactly how he got it done, and perhaps in how to prevent it in the future.uziq wrote:
Charles Koch's regrets: In a rare interview, the libertarian billionaire concedes that his GOP partisanship and activism badly deepened America’s divisions. As he puts it in his new book, “Boy, did we screw up! What a mess!”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/charles-ko … 1605286893
what is it with these libertarian assholes? this is textbook jay. the slow inevitable u-turn or flop on your beliefs, then writing it all off as 'personal growth' and the equivalent of an 'oops!' moment.
Does he regret, as a free market Libertarian, gaming govt restrictions to gain a business advantage, create an effective monopoly and make a fortune?uziq wrote:
Charles Koch's regrets: In a rare interview, the libertarian billionaire concedes that his GOP partisanship and activism badly deepened America’s divisions. As he puts it in his new book, “Boy, did we screw up! What a mess!”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/charles-ko … 1605286893
what is it with these libertarian assholes? this is textbook jay. the slow inevitable u-turn or flop on your beliefs, then writing it all off as 'personal growth' and the equivalent of an 'oops!' moment.
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So there was a pro-Trump rally in Washington D.C. today and violence broke out. For the people overseas that don't know, Washington D.C. is a very black and democrat city.
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out. The scene is chaotic right now #MillionMAGAMarch
the rally was tiny. it was mostly alt-right groups like, again, the proud boys. remember when dilbert claimed they weren’t far-right? lmao. it’s a street gang whose whole purpose is to antagonise and start fights.
the turnout was a bit like his inauguration. patchy and strange. someone on U.K. twitter linked an image of an outdoor gig in a tiny town for one of our rubbish bands (the darkness). it was about 4x the size of the trump rally. so congrats i guess. your huge patriot vanguard is significantly smaller than the fan base for a shrieking guy in a sequinned leotard.
the turnout was a bit like his inauguration. patchy and strange. someone on U.K. twitter linked an image of an outdoor gig in a tiny town for one of our rubbish bands (the darkness). it was about 4x the size of the trump rally. so congrats i guess. your huge patriot vanguard is significantly smaller than the fan base for a shrieking guy in a sequinned leotard.
You ridiculed Farage's support base as 'tiny' and 'strange' look how that done went.
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farage's support base was tiny. he ran for parliament several times and lost each and every time. if the leader of a political party, who was being given a national platform on BBC interviews, political talk shows, newspaper frontpages, etc, almost every week -- something which no other campaigning politician would be gifted -- if that guy still can't win a local election, he's probably not very good, eh?
what UKIP did manage to do was to drag the overton window to the right. it made conservative policy-wonks nervous. the conservatives began to tailor their messaging to draw back the UKIP crowd into the fold. but that was just party politics: both conservatives and labour were worried about their working-class base being split between a third party, and losing key seats. UKIP themselves hardly stood a chance of ever gaining a foothold into parliament. how many UKIP MPs nationally ever got into parliament? 2? 3? astounding stuff, what massive support. and one of those defected back to a traditional party (douglas carswell).
you talk a lot about the MEP election results, whilst conveniently ignoring that the main parties didn't even campaign for it: it was a post-brexit european parliament election, in which the main parties were, er, engaged in trying to figure out brexit. of course UKIP could campaign solely on 'showing the establishment wot we want' and turn out a 'landslide' result: they were a party with zero power or responsibility in national politics. they had nothing else to fucking do! voter engagement in european parliament elections is way, way lower than in national politics, anyway, and it was turned into a 'show of support' issue. the conservatives didn't even direct a campaign for the election whatsoever. so, er, sure, wow, a tokenistic UKIP 'landslide' for a dead-duck electoral process. so the UK sent ~20 UKIP MEPs to europe to wave flags and hoot whilst the real politics and business of negotiation was by that point taking place in committee rooms and conference calls.
really i think it's you who doesn't have an actual grasp of UK politics, not me. you skim the tabloid headlines and appeal to 'understanding the common man'. very clever stuff.
what UKIP did manage to do was to drag the overton window to the right. it made conservative policy-wonks nervous. the conservatives began to tailor their messaging to draw back the UKIP crowd into the fold. but that was just party politics: both conservatives and labour were worried about their working-class base being split between a third party, and losing key seats. UKIP themselves hardly stood a chance of ever gaining a foothold into parliament. how many UKIP MPs nationally ever got into parliament? 2? 3? astounding stuff, what massive support. and one of those defected back to a traditional party (douglas carswell).
you talk a lot about the MEP election results, whilst conveniently ignoring that the main parties didn't even campaign for it: it was a post-brexit european parliament election, in which the main parties were, er, engaged in trying to figure out brexit. of course UKIP could campaign solely on 'showing the establishment wot we want' and turn out a 'landslide' result: they were a party with zero power or responsibility in national politics. they had nothing else to fucking do! voter engagement in european parliament elections is way, way lower than in national politics, anyway, and it was turned into a 'show of support' issue. the conservatives didn't even direct a campaign for the election whatsoever. so, er, sure, wow, a tokenistic UKIP 'landslide' for a dead-duck electoral process. so the UK sent ~20 UKIP MEPs to europe to wave flags and hoot whilst the real politics and business of negotiation was by that point taking place in committee rooms and conference calls.
really i think it's you who doesn't have an actual grasp of UK politics, not me. you skim the tabloid headlines and appeal to 'understanding the common man'. very clever stuff.
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