in a second you're going to come to the realisation that both communism and fascism were responses to the exact same political crisis in the West and then we're really going to be cooking on gas.
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None of this matters anyway. Trump is going to win on Tuesday since it seems like the older English speaking world desperately wants to put a bullet in the head of western civilization.
i'm an accelerationist and a speculative realist anyway, so bring it on
If by western civilization you mean the centralized platonic republic, then yeah, and about time. Hope it burns to the ground.SuperJail Warden wrote:
None of this matters anyway. Trump is going to win on Tuesday since it seems like the older English speaking world desperately wants to put a bullet in the head of western civilization.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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You are just a randomized index of political philosophy terms aren't you?Jay wrote:
If by western civilization you mean the centralized platonic republic, then yeah, and about time. Hope it burns to the ground.SuperJail Warden wrote:
None of this matters anyway. Trump is going to win on Tuesday since it seems like the older English speaking world desperately wants to put a bullet in the head of western civilization.
Jay wrote:
If by western civilization you mean the centralized platonic republic, then yeah, and about time. Hope it burns to the ground.SuperJail Warden wrote:
None of this matters anyway. Trump is going to win on Tuesday since it seems like the older English speaking world desperately wants to put a bullet in the head of western civilization.
'centralised platonic republic'
I try.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Trump's presidency means nothing. If he wins the republicans still won't balance the budget, they won't build his stupid wall, they won't repeal roe v wade, they won't make gay marriage illegal and the world won't end, just like none of it happened when bush was in power with a republican congress. What did he do with his majority? He passed Medicare Part D. Whoop di do. Life goes on.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
just a pointer: plato's republic has had next to no influence is what we consider modern western democracy. you could maybe associate it with totalitarian fascist states, at an ennobling stretch. our democracies are based – again idealistically and in an ennobled way – on the athens of pericles and on rome.Jay wrote:
I try.
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I don't understand how you could drive a truck around Iraq for a few years and not think elections have consequences.Jay wrote:
Trump's presidency means nothing. If he wins the republicans still won't balance the budget, they won't build his stupid wall, they won't repeal roe v wade, they won't make gay marriage illegal and the world won't end, just like none of it happened when bush was in power with a republican congress. What did he do with his majority? He passed Medicare Part D. Whoop di do. Life goes on.
The one regression that would be guaranteed though is with the war on drugs. Law enforcement makes way too much money off of civil asset forfeiture for them to not raise hell to a republican government and spur a crackdown on all the states that are legalizing.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
the only relevance of this election in the grander scheme of things is, like most other western democracies, it reflects a major structural division. 30 years of neoliberal capitalism has rendered every democracy into the haves and the have nots, and there's a vast gulf between them. their experiences, mindsets, media outlets, even the languages they speak, are entirely different. we stare across a chasm at one another and wonder how the other half can be so mad and deluded.
I don't think Bush was an inherently bad guy, he just had bad advisers. I don't know that Gore would've been any better. He might've made the same decision or he might've destroyed our economy by trying to green it ahead of the available technology. Who knows? We'd certainly still be in Afghanistan. Ultimately, power rests with congress and they're the same idiots we've been reelecting every 2 or 6 years for the past however many decades. They are the anchor that weighs down any real impetus to change. Clinton can write a billion pages of policy papers but it's all pointless. She can't write the laws, and she certainly can't shove them down the throat of a republican congress. They can deny her appointments indefinitely if they really want to as well.SuperJail Warden wrote:
I don't understand how you could drive a truck around Iraq for a few years and not think elections have consequences.Jay wrote:
Trump's presidency means nothing. If he wins the republicans still won't balance the budget, they won't build his stupid wall, they won't repeal roe v wade, they won't make gay marriage illegal and the world won't end, just like none of it happened when bush was in power with a republican congress. What did he do with his majority? He passed Medicare Part D. Whoop di do. Life goes on.
Everyone is all worked up, I have facebook friends defriending each other over this stupid election, and in the end it doesn't even really matter.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Too much Picketty. The wealth gap crap is really godawful economics. Someone else having a lot doesn't make you poorer. It's not zero sum.uziq wrote:
the only relevance of this election in the grander scheme of things is, like most other western democracies, it reflects a major structural division. 30 years of neoliberal capitalism has rendered every democracy into the haves and the have nots, and there's a vast gulf between them. their experiences, mindsets, media outlets, even the languages they speak, are entirely different. we stare across a chasm at one another and wonder how the other half can be so mad and deluded.
Keynesians embrace this crap because they see all of that wealth concentrated beyond what can be spent in a lifetime and their fingers itch to spend it in order to spur their growth models and force inflation. Because to them, inflation is a cause of growth, not an indicator. Nonsense.
Others are just jealous twits.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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-Frederick Bastiat
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I really wonder how many political science or history classes Jay and anyone else who thinks elections don't matter took. I have never heard a single academic tell someone it doesn't matter. I don't understand how someone could become a fan of history while rejecting the importance of government and political leadership.
It is almost a disqualifying opinion.
It is almost a disqualifying opinion.
Because to the average human being living in this country there is almost no impact. Eight years of Obama in office has had made no discernible impact on my life. The only impact Bush had was in sending me off to war. Clinton? Nada, aside from his administration crashing the economy and causing the housing crisis. Oh, I think I remember Bush sending me a $200 check once too. Neat.SuperJail Warden wrote:
I really wonder how many political science or history classes Jay and anyone else who thinks elections don't matter took. I have never heard a single academic tell someone it doesn't matter. I don't understand how someone could become a fan of history while rejecting the importance of government and political leadership.
It is almost a disqualifying opinion.
This is America, man, our government moves at a glacial pace by design. There's a reason we can boil down presidencies to a few lines in a textbook. Eisenhower? He built the highways and played golf. JFK? He made a speech in Berlin, fucked Marilyn Monroe and got shot in the head. LBJ? He had a big dick and he fucked Vietnam with it. Obama's legacy is Obamacare and like... EPA regulations or something. Not that big of a deal at the end of the day.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
jay i think that's because you only read cartoon books for children.
prollyuziq wrote:
jay i think that's because you only read cartoon books for children.
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If I was a teacher grading your post, I would probably underline this part as your central life thesis before I hand it back to you.Jay wrote:
Because to the average human being living in this country there is almost no impact. Eight years of Obama in office has had made no discernible impact on my life
I understand you have a ton of privilege in life (a lot of it thanks to Bush) and cannot see beyond your tiny little world in Long Island. I know for a fact my life is better off as the result of Obama winning against McCain. The Afford Care Act might have saved my life and has done the same for tens or hundreds of thousands. That wasn't getting passed under a McCain administration. That is just something that was done in the first year of Obama's administration. There is 7 more years of things I can talk about. But it probably wouldn't matter to you because you are a selfish person.
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Jay is probably going to vote for Ivanka Trump in 2028 once his job gets outsourced to China and he falls behind on his mortgage payments. "What have the democrats ever done for me?" he will say while sitting at home on social security disability.
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I'm selfish because I don't believe in the cult of the presidency? The real power in this country ultimately resides with the Supreme Court.SuperJail Warden wrote:
If I was a teacher grading your post, I would probably underline this part as your central life thesis before I hand it back to you.Jay wrote:
Because to the average human being living in this country there is almost no impact. Eight years of Obama in office has had made no discernible impact on my life
I understand you have a ton of privilege in life (a lot of it thanks to Bush) and cannot see beyond your tiny little world in Long Island. I know for a fact my life is better off as the result of Obama winning against McCain. The Afford Care Act might have saved my life and has done the same for tens or hundreds of thousands. That wasn't getting passed under a McCain administration. That is just something that was done in the first year of Obama's administration. There is 7 more years of things I can talk about. But it probably wouldn't matter to you because you are a selfish person.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
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"I am so sick of political correctness" Jay will whisper to himself while watching Ivanka's nomination speech. The T.V. is so loud he cannot hear his son excitedly packing for his camping trip with his Latino boyfriend's family.
hahahaha
Outsourced to India, if anything. Maybe, who knows? Does who I elect president change that outcome? Nope. And if my son turns out to be gay and has a latino boyfriend, so what? I accept that the world is a chaotic mess and that entropy is the norm, not the exception. With all the crap I've had to deal with, both self inflicted and not, you either become flexible and adaptable or you become a bitter wreck holding onto every good thing by your fingernails. Shit happens. Control the things you can and adapt to the rest. Who gets elected president is based on the whims of 330 million other people and an electoral college. Who I personally vote for means less than a fart in a stiff breeze.
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Ivanka's speech is over and the TrumpTV host are glowingly discussing it. Suddenly, the Nokia phone Jay stole from work vibrates. It's a text from his ex-wife. His daughter's birthday is coming up and he has to see her. They don't talk much after the child support payments stopped.