if you're fresh to the discussion i recommend you luxuriate in 64 pages of jay's door-stopping quantity of stupidity. happy easter pochsy.
got to page 2 and couldn't anymore. In fairness, a month ago there was a significant amount of disinformation and speculation about what this would all shape up to be.
Jay, I have to ask, is COVID-19 still just a flu in your books?
Jay, I have to ask, is COVID-19 still just a flu in your books?
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
he's since had it and thinks anyone who doesn't get out and about and take some down into their lungs is a 'coward' and a 'pussy'.
All the cool kids die of respiratory failure! Normally I'd say something like, 'ight bro, catch one for me', but that thinking is actually dangerous. Maybe a galaxy brain alpha male like Jay can tank a sissy respiratory virus, but grandma can't. baby can't. At least show them respect and stay inside.
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
from ca. page 5 or something of this thread.
lots of viral stories/videos of western people being manhandled off buses for not 'wearing a face mask properly', men being arrested by police officers for using their front gardens in the UK, etc.
in fact the first few pages of this thread are something of a joy to behold. i called the widespread economic collapse because of fake-healthy post-2008 economies in the very first reply. now watch the whole world head off an economic cliff because most people are uncontracted, unemployed and with no savings.
it's funny how quickly this came to the west, and how gleefully western police forces took up their new powers.Dilbert_X wrote:
I did hear, indirectly from people who are in China, that no-one dare go out of their apartments.
One cough and you're frog-marched to a clinic.
lots of viral stories/videos of western people being manhandled off buses for not 'wearing a face mask properly', men being arrested by police officers for using their front gardens in the UK, etc.
in fact the first few pages of this thread are something of a joy to behold. i called the widespread economic collapse because of fake-healthy post-2008 economies in the very first reply. now watch the whole world head off an economic cliff because most people are uncontracted, unemployed and with no savings.
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the tough guy shit is just his displacement activity because he has continued to go out infecting anyone, as well as giving it to his wife and kids, and because he's mad about being so clueless.Pochsy wrote:
All the cool kids die of respiratory failure! Normally I'd say something like, 'ight bro, catch one for me', but that thinking is actually dangerous. Maybe a galaxy brain alpha male like Jay can tank a sissy respiratory virus, but grandma can't. baby can't. At least show them respect and stay inside.
I think the fearful tough are going to be in for a hard time when we start to have an understanding of just how many asymptomatic carriers there actually are. We won't have that picture until testing ramps up (saw Jay's argument about the Beautiful and Tremendous testing efforts of the US, lol), but I expect the numbers are going to be extremely humbling. Why risk anyone being willfully obstinate? Why risk your family? For dignity? A principled stance?
Some people choose insane hills to die on. In this case literally.
Some people choose insane hills to die on. In this case literally.
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The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
tl;dr "the quarantines and shelter-in-place are stupid because it hurts the economy," which is weird considering taking no action at all would lead to more people getting sick. I wonder how that would affect things like market confidence and brain drain in key areas due to covid-19 deaths.
We can't even properly handle the cases we know about.
ThE KiDs AreN'T gOInG tO SChOoL
We can't even properly handle the cases we know about.
ThE KiDs AreN'T gOInG tO SChOoL
I wonder if Jay is coming around to Keynes?: "in the long run we're all dead." I think the sane are trying to live long enough to see death long from now. Or we can live fast and die extremely young. All I know is I don't want Jay making the decision for me.
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
Renowned mathematician and Princeton University professor John Horton Conway died April 11 of coronavirus at 82 years old.
Princeton scientist Sam Wang in mourning Conway's death noted his fever started Wednesday morning. Three days later, he died.
"I am sorry to confirm the passing of my colleague John Conway. An incomparable mathematician, a pleasant neighbor, and an excellent coffee acquaintance," Wang tweeted. "Part of coronavirus's hard toll in New Jersey."
Born in Liverpool, England, Conway knew at 11 years old he wanted to be a mathematician.
Conway's most notable contribution to his field may have been his invention of the Game of Life, spawning an entirely new branch of mathematics: Cellular automaton.
Done on pen and paper, long before the invention of personal computers, the game became integral for both theoretical interest and practical exercise in data programming and display, reports say.
jay also thinks that trump has been taking the advice of his own top experts, by the by.
the penny never drops for these people.Prominent US public health adviser Dr Anthony Fauci appeared on Sunday to confirm a bombshell New York Times report which said he and other Trump administration officials recommended the implementation of social distancing to combat the coronavirus in February, but were rebuffed for almost a month.
Fauci appeared on CNN’s State of the Union. Asked why the administration did not act when he and other officials advised, he said: “You know … as I have said many times, we look at it from a pure health standpoint. We make a recommendation. Often, the recommendation is taken. Sometimes, it’s not.
“…It is what it is. We are where we are right now.”
More than 530,000 cases of Covid-19 have now been confirmed in the US, with almost 21,000 deaths. Officials currently expect a death toll of around 60,000 by August.
CNN host Jake Tapper asked if Fauci thought “lives could have been saved if social distancing, physical distancing, stay-at-home measures had started [in the] third week of February, instead of mid-March.”
“It’s very difficult to go back and say that,” Fauci said. “I mean, obviously, you could logically say, that if you had a process that was ongoing, and you started mitigation earlier, you could have saved lives. Obviously, no one is going to deny that.
The mental contortions are amazing to watch. Right when you think there's a 'come to Jesus' moment, the logic is flipped and the calculus changes. Actually astonishing. There's a lot of really smart people making really stupid arguments to protect a man who's own idiocy is now literally costing lives.
Not in the way an unneeded war does, either. In the way that delivering briefings using crayon drawings and 3 word sound-bites does.
Not in the way an unneeded war does, either. In the way that delivering briefings using crayon drawings and 3 word sound-bites does.
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1248699 … 85120?s=20
https://theintercept.com/2020/04/10/tru … tic-world/
Question: What metrics will you use to make that decision?
Trump while pointing to his head: The metrics right here. That’s my metrics.
https://theintercept.com/2020/04/10/tru … tic-world/
TO GET A SENSE of just how much damage Donald Trump is doing each day, by making the daily White House briefings on the coronavirus pandemic mostly about himself, and distracting attention from vital updates on the public health emergency delivered by scientists, it helps to look at how very differently this is handled in other democracies.
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History will not be kind to Trump, but to the dead that means nothing.
It leaves a sour taste in my mouth that such obviously incompetent leaders can still bluster and bully their way to power, even in relatively strong democracies.
Looking back to my own post on the 2nd page I wonder if I placed too much trust in our institutions and the competence of our leadership as well. A true crisis always takes people by surprise, but the alarm bells must've been sounding well and loudly in the intelligence and health communities starting late january when the Chinese initiated the total lockdowns in Hubei. Yet western governments were mostly late to respond. In hindsight information about the virus seemed to be woefully incomplete as well, from death rate to infectivity. It leaves one to wonder how or why this was the case, but the Chinese lockdown should've been the absolute clearest signal that this virus was highly contagious and far too dangerous.
Now that we're farther along it's increasingly clear life as normal will not resume for a long time to come. I've read that intercontinental flights might not really pick up again until 2023, after total deployment of a vaccine. I don't have a crystal ball to peer into, but the economic cost of this will leave untold millions around the globe without income and in poverty, with Western countries certainly forced to dramatically increase their debts to prevent a breakdown of their economies/welfare systems and social order.
What a clusterfuck. The next few years will not be good.
It leaves a sour taste in my mouth that such obviously incompetent leaders can still bluster and bully their way to power, even in relatively strong democracies.
Looking back to my own post on the 2nd page I wonder if I placed too much trust in our institutions and the competence of our leadership as well. A true crisis always takes people by surprise, but the alarm bells must've been sounding well and loudly in the intelligence and health communities starting late january when the Chinese initiated the total lockdowns in Hubei. Yet western governments were mostly late to respond. In hindsight information about the virus seemed to be woefully incomplete as well, from death rate to infectivity. It leaves one to wonder how or why this was the case, but the Chinese lockdown should've been the absolute clearest signal that this virus was highly contagious and far too dangerous.
Now that we're farther along it's increasingly clear life as normal will not resume for a long time to come. I've read that intercontinental flights might not really pick up again until 2023, after total deployment of a vaccine. I don't have a crystal ball to peer into, but the economic cost of this will leave untold millions around the globe without income and in poverty, with Western countries certainly forced to dramatically increase their debts to prevent a breakdown of their economies/welfare systems and social order.
What a clusterfuck. The next few years will not be good.
To be fair to the president, US lack of preparedness for a pandemic has been in the making for years before his presidency. This does not absolve him of responsibility, however.
you mean like the video of obama asking for more funding specifically for a pandemic-scenario in 2014/15?
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:
ThE KiDs AreN'T gOInG tO SChOoL
We should transition to permanent online learning.
The specifics of why we weren't prepared and the laundry list of those most responsible over the years are probably going to be a discussion point for a long time. My "to be fair" has very limited scope in that he's probably not responsible for mistakes made by officials before his presidency, but goes on to, to expand, plop responsibility for events, cuts, reversals, problematic/suspect firings, and part of the social sabotage squarely on his shoulders.
It's unfortunate that, despite the advice and begging of experts, we didn't have more funding and viable supplies set aside for such a thing as this, and that many of our leaders were less than helpful at the onset of this pandemic.
Obama Also Pushed For CDC Cuts In Years Before Ebola Outbreak 2014/10 (not intended to direct attention away from covid-19)
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-cd … _n_5990114
False Claim About CDC’s Global Anti-Pandemic Work 2020 03 (author's 6 most recent posts are fact checks against trump)
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false … demic-work
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Did Trump try to cut the CDC's budget as Democrats claim?: ANALYSIS 2020 02
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-c … d=69233170
It's unfortunate that, despite the advice and begging of experts, we didn't have more funding and viable supplies set aside for such a thing as this, and that many of our leaders were less than helpful at the onset of this pandemic.
Obama Also Pushed For CDC Cuts In Years Before Ebola Outbreak 2014/10 (not intended to direct attention away from covid-19)
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-cd … _n_5990114
False Claim About CDC’s Global Anti-Pandemic Work 2020 03 (author's 6 most recent posts are fact checks against trump)
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false … demic-work
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Did Trump try to cut the CDC's budget as Democrats claim?: ANALYSIS 2020 02
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-c … d=69233170
In fact, all of Trump’s budget proposals have called for cuts to CDC funding, but Congress has intervened each time by passing spending bills with year-over-year increases for the CDC that Trump then signed into law.
I think it can be efficient, but isn't always the most effective choice. Do you think it's a better environment for a kid with ADHD or poor organizing skills, for example?SuperJail Warden wrote:
We should transition to permanent online learning.
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A classroom isn't a good place for a kid with ADHD and poor organizational skills already.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I think it can be efficient, but isn't always the most effective choice. Do you think it's a better environment for a kid with ADHD or poor organizing skills, for example?SuperJail Warden wrote:
We should transition to permanent online learning.
Keeping them away from other kids trying to learn is a big improvement over the system we have where everyone has to follow the pace of or deal with the acting out of the special needs kid.
What does the current curriculum have to say on teaching organizational and learning skills? I feel like that could help some students.
u need that personal interaction for some things. math and science is mostly pretty easy to teach yourself (high school level) but i feel social sciences u really need to be in a classroom settingunnamednewbie13 wrote:
I think it can be efficient, but isn't always the most effective choice. Do you think it's a better environment for a kid with ADHD or poor organizing skills, for example?SuperJail Warden wrote:
We should transition to permanent online learning.
also i heard some shit about #fall2021 trending. that they're saying concerts and large gatherings of people won't be allowed till fall 2021 realistically at the EARLIEST. this is actually fuckin crazy and on god a lot of these people are fucking tripping. i don't see how this is sustainable. i was gonna see trippie redd and blocboy JB in june but obviously that's canceled. understandable cuz june is still early but they're talking like literally another year and a half?? i had a lot of other artists i eventually wanted to see. not to mention everything else.
this shit is literally gonna fuck up the way of life and economies etc for like years to come.
it's actually now starting to dawn on me how serious this shit might be. thought it was just gonna be a few months but really wtf is even going on anymore
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gang shit
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Nothing at all at the high school level. I don't know what elementary education is like.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
What does the current curriculum have to say on teaching organizational and learning skills?
I think organizational skills is one of those things your parents are supposed to teach you like being polite and getting to events on time.
Learning skills? A big part of social studies education at least where I am at is getting kids to read and analysis documents. That's as close as I can think of.
You like doing workbooks? You should look up "Social Studies DBQs" or "(Whatever subject you like) DBQ" and practice your reading comprehension.
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We might as well do a universal basic income for awhile. The "economy" is shut down but there aren't rolling blackouts and famines. Our society could carry a bunch of people staying at home, watching Netflix, and eating cheap food for awhile. Considering the decrease in crime, accidents, and pollution, keeping everyone at home could even be a good way to organize society.
in which america slowly awakens to socialism.