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Inside America’s Shoplifting Lab
In the war on “shrink,” big retailers are turning to one Florida outfit to study shoppers and prevent them from stealing. I went there—and saw far too much.
https://slate.com/life/2026/07/shoplift … orida.html

some stuff i've either put into ee chats or fwp. i had to take a break from this article partway through, and it didn't even get to all of the little frictions that grate on me when shopping brick and mortar, but there was some stuff i hadn't seen yet. a lot of frustrations here put into words. is it weird to be annoyed at a window popping up on the self-checkout screen of an overhead cam drawing shapes around the top of your body and tracing your arm movements when you're buying a box of oatmeal? like i'd just leave my cart there and go someplace else at that point, but i'd already stood around for five minutes waiting for detergent to be freed from a big glass case, and my shopping purchased from that island in the store is already bagged in my cart.

where are the savings from all these solutions, anyway?

A tree of surveillance cameras was perched on one side. With the introduction of A.I., this particular installation, atop a lamppost, would unlock all sorts of shoplifting prevention. As the cameras monitored the lot, they would be able to detect loiterers, ne’er-do-wells, and the like. Spending too long in Zone 5 could be an indication that one was on the path to crime, and an A.I.-generated voice could call down to the would-be boosters with specificity, meant to strike fear with a human touch. “The red sedan, please leave,” for example, said Josh Bush, research project coordinator. “It can give the impression of active monitoring.”

There were other flourishes as well. The contraptions could use their speakers to play the infamous mosquito ringtone, the high-pitched noise that adults can’t hear but is loud and grating to teenagers. Blaring that in the parking lot was another way to ward off the criminal element. Shoplifting, after all, was a young person’s game.

[…]

From there, we passed into some of the staged aisles of Justin’s General Store, where various high-theft items were displayed on fake shelves. Cereal, baby formula. I looked at a shaving kit locked inside a plastic box, which was referred to as a “freedom case.” There were various kinked hooks and plastic buffers and knobs, plexiglass shields that had to be slid one way or another, all inconveniences that caused shoppers friction, which happened to be good at stopping crime. The problem, of course, is that they are also good at stopping sales altogether. Sometimes you cure the disease and lose the patient.

Bush pointed to a pile of plaster in our aisle. “We’re never getting our security deposit back on ceiling tiles,” he joked. That was because they had affixed so many ceiling-mounted surveillance cameras to the drop ceiling of the lab that the panels routinely buckled beneath the weight and came crashing to the ground. I marveled at the number of obsidian half-domes mounted overhead. I couldn’t marvel for too long, though, because advanced cameras would alert a store’s loss-prevention staff if someone was seen lingering in an aisle or mulling items in a criminal-y manner. Some of these, A.I.-enabled, would even quote you how much potential revenue a customer was worth walking through the door.

[...]

But in the lab, they were cooking up more than just neologisms. Dr. Hayes also invented “public view monitors,” video screens that show people on surveillance cameras so they know they’re being watched. He had them built, tested them in the lab, and proved their worthiness. What he did not do was patent them—he just gave them away—so now they’re made and sold widely, which won him a stern meeting with the University of Florida’s commercialization department.

I noticed a clicking noise in the background. One of the LPRC’s scientific studies had determined that one thing shoplifters do not like is noise. I asked if that was one of the higher-tech sensory deployments.
the important thing is that these places have curbside appeal, obviously! don't want to scare people away before they even pull in.

if someone becomes a terrorist because they were yelled at by a robot for taking lunch in the parking lot, or are harassed at all hours of the day by constant 'deterrent noise' from a store across the street: i won't condone, but i will understand.

file under ads in the night sky.

I went down into the Reddit annals myself for some research. A self-proclaimed former Target LP worker posted that the store used to be all that, sure. But it’s fallen off now. “Can confirm, target tech used to be insane. Having TSS on my resume got me jobs elsewhere. Nowadays it’s all theater.” Another self-identified LP from Target, when asked whether it was facial recognition or phone numbers that tipped off in-store agents to tail shoplifters, responded: “race.” He wrote: “If you are white. find at least two black friends, have them go in the store and split up, then you go in 5 minutes later, then you can take whatever you want. LP will be focused on the black ppl.” Then again, maybe that’s what they want you to think. Remember the deterrence. How do we know what we know?
lol

“I would be very skeptical of the LPRC’s statistics and studies. Most if not all of them are funded by the big shrink-reduction companies,” said Rachel Shteir, author of The Steal: A Cultural History of Shoplifting. “And it’s in those companies’ interest to exaggerate the problem of shoplifting.”
there have been scandals over it actually.

cross-linked:
AI is going to kill us all.
https://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=4261671030
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I had to ring the buzzer 8 times and harass two employees for someone to come and unlock the case holding men's boxers at Walmart. I didn't really get a chance to shop around because the worker wanted to close it back up so I grabbed the first medium I saw.

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While at Denver I didn't pay the self checkout out fee for the paper bag. My girlfriend had already grabbed the paper bag from another kiosk after I clicked I didn't take any bags.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
Dilbert_X
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In a local huge box hardware store I pointed out someone shoplifting to a staff member
"Uh yeah, happens a lot"
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uziq
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shoplifting seems to be systemic in the UK now, along with a bunch of other low-level street crimes that the police can't be bothered with.

every time i'm back home sort of astonished at the decline in high streets and retail areas. they're unsafe and anti-social spaces. you go into a major supermarket chain and not only do they have expensive toiletries or razor blades under lock and key, but they've got individual security tags on steaks and perishables too. the last time i was there i was astonished to see they had individual security tags on small cans of beer – a £2.50 item. really?

all seems to have gone into a nosedive after covid.

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Economy is screwed and I don't see it recovering.

But as long as billionaires can become trillionaires there's still hope.
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uziq
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economic pain is part of it but i don't feel like the post-2008 recession created quite such a spate of lawlessness. isolated riots and flare-ups, certainly, but nothing like the low-level ambient feeling of lawlessness and a generalised lack of trust.

of course, all this has been weaponised by the BNP-UKIP-reform-restore brigade under the euphemistic rubric of 'high-trust' (read: monoethnic) versus 'low-trust' (read: UK and france) societies. but i don't think it's that really, either -- most of the street crime and shoplifting i've personally witnessed have been committed by local angloids. there's a home-grown organic underclass that specialise in all this shit quite apart from organised phone-snatching gangs or whatever.

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Dilbert_X
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Back in my day it was travellers and black kids doing the street crime.
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