-=raska=-
Canada's French Frog
+123|7096|Quebec city, Canada
My friends are Cs 1.6/css players. Three of them bought BF2. It seemed they couldnt "handle" the complexity of the bf2 gameplay and all of its features that Cs doesnt have. In BF2 if you have to make decisions, know how to hide from "predators" (tanks, planes, etc), use features such as UAV and supply crates, orders, mines, c4, know how to read the minimap and use it at your advantage, know how to position on the field, know how to recognize noises, etc. At the end, BF2 is the most complex fps imo. I think that the only thing that require most skills in cs is aiming.

My friends failed ridiculously in bf2. They all have crappy stats, cant make decisions on the run, even after an amount of hours that should have allowed them to be good, or just decent.

Friend "A" got desinterested in gaming and now, he spends his time progamming with C++. Before bf2, he was an avid gamer.

Friend B bought bf2 this summer and sucked too. On the field it was easy to see that he was used to cs : he coulndt make decisions, hide from tanks, helos, etc, couldnt pilot them, was decent at aiming but thats it. Now he went back to cs because getting killed by something else than guns was too much for him.

Friend C bought bf2 a week ago and didnt give up for the moment. He sucks but still play the game. He doesnt have a lot of experience so we will see....

So what do you think ? is cs popular because of his simplicity ? does bf2 require more skils ? feel free to
comment.

edit : im not stating that all cs players suck in bf2. I think bushviper was a cs player before, so we have a good proof... but I still think that its hard for them to migrate from Cs to bf2, but not the opposite...

Last edited by -=raska=- (2006-09-04 11:54:15)

NuShadow
Captain Fantastic
+24|6953|woodbridge, VA
I think it depends more on a person's ability to adapt to something new. I played CS 1.5, 1.6 and source and I guess my stats aren't that bad for BF2.
Towelly
It's A State Of Mind
+399|7061|Your attic
CS = Game for people with lightning reflex's

BF2 = Game for smarter people (though lightning reflex's help)

Edit:

No offence to your friends, but you need to be able to think on your feet alot more, CS it's, point shoot win/lose (Unless your playing with a clan, in which case there are some tactics)

BF2 it's constantly thinking where you might run into people, knowing where you are and what to do if a certain thing happens, and then being able to act on it, and then the point shoot win/lose situation, but if you lose, you come back and you can think, ok, where was he and what can I do this time.

Last edited by Towelly (2006-09-04 11:56:20)

jord
Member
+2,382|7148|The North, beyond the wall.
Raska i think i saw you playing today?

Were you on the [SAF] infantry only server,bunny hopping?
Teflon.DEP
cunning n' quick
+35|6920|United States
nice story.
BF2 isnt neccasarily complex in a way where you gotta think alot. Its just there used to run & gun style gameplay w/ no vehicles and limited idioticness.

I know I tryed CSS for a while after playing bf2 for over 600 hours and found it difficult.
----
bush viper is ridiculous at CS. u need to play with him

Last edited by Teflon.DEP (2006-09-04 11:54:46)

-=raska=-
Canada's French Frog
+123|7096|Quebec city, Canada

jord wrote:

Raska i think i saw you playing today?

Were you on the [SAF] infantry only server,bunny hopping?
I played a few minutes yesterday on sf servers dont remember what server but it didnt have [saf] in it

not today

Last edited by -=raska=- (2006-09-04 11:56:04)

Havazn
Member
+39|7164|van.ca
CSS and all the other FPS are good games, however I find they are just too linear now. I used to be into Call of Duty when it was out, but once BF2 dropped, i left all of that. Couldn't even get into CoD2. Bf2 is replayable because its such free gameplay. Something new always happens. For instance, I was in a tank and fired a shell at a chopper. That very instance a plane flew between me and the chopper, and my shell blew the plane away. That's why I cannot go back to CSS or CoD.
jord
Member
+2,382|7148|The North, beyond the wall.

-=raska=- wrote:

jord wrote:

Raska i think i saw you playing today?

Were you on the [SAF] infantry only server,bunny hopping?
I played a few minutes yesterday on sf servers dont remember what server but it didnt have [saf] in it

not today
Oh sorry,i'm sure i saw you on our Karkand server,

Ahh well.

Oh and there is no way to hide from the Predator-UAV.hAR hAR.
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|7123
your friends suck, I played cs for 3 years and my K:D in BF2 was never lower than 1.3. I learnt a lot of things in CS that I could apply in BF2, mainly tactics. In fact, infantry combat is better in CS than it is in BF2, IMO.
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
-=raska=-
Canada's French Frog
+123|7096|Quebec city, Canada

jord wrote:

Oh and there is no way to hide from the Predator-UAV.hAR hAR.
lol hehe no I meant by "predators", vehicles...
metal1215
Member
+18|7115|Varsseveld, Netherlands
I sometimes play CS1.6 at a friend, but i just dont like it
its just run&gun, the only thing you need to do is aim well
its just boring
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|7123

metal1215 wrote:

I sometimes play CS1.6 at a friend, but i just dont like it
its just run&gun, the only thing you need to do is aim well
its just boring
and you came to that conclusion by playing it occasionally at your friends house?

mkay.
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
Ben>You
Member
+90|6996

Towelly wrote:

CS = Game for people with lightning reflex's

BF2 = Game for smarter people (though lightning reflex's help)

Edit:

No offence to your friends, but you need to be able to think on your feet alot more, CS it's, point shoot win/lose (Unless your playing with a clan, in which case there are some tactics)

BF2 it's constantly thinking where you might run into people, knowing where you are and what to do if a certain thing happens, and then being able to act on it, and then the point shoot win/lose situation, but if you lose, you come back and you can think, ok, where was he and what can I do this time.
QFT. And.. CS Hax Poon Joo..
LaidBackNinja
Pony Slaystation
+343|7179|Charlie One Alpha
I used to play CS, and still play CS:S occasionally. 
I'm pretty good at BF2.
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine SecuROM slapping your face with its dick -- forever." -George Orwell
Knight`UK
Lollerstorycarpark
+371|7050|England

-=raska=- wrote:

My friends are Cs 1.6/css players. Three of them bought BF2. It seemed they couldnt "handle" the complexity of the bf2 gameplay and all of its features that Cs doesnt have. In BF2 if you have to make decisions, know how to hide from "predators" (tanks, planes, etc), use features such as UAV and supply crates, orders, mines, c4, know how to read the minimap and use it at your advantage, know how to position on the field, know how to recognize noises, etc. At the end, BF2 is the most complex fps imo. I think that the only thing that require most skills in cs is aiming.

My friends failed ridiculously in bf2. They all have crappy stats, cant make decisions on the run, even after an amount of hours that should have allowed them to be good, or just decent.

Friend "A" got desinterested in gaming and now, he spends his time progamming with C++. Before bf2, he was an avid gamer.

Friend B bought bf2 this summer and sucked too. On the field it was easy to see that he was used to cs : he coulndt make decisions, hide from tanks, helos, etc, couldnt pilot them, was decent at aiming but thats it. Now he went back to cs because getting killed by something else than guns was too much for him.

Friend C bought bf2 a week ago and didnt give up for the moment. He sucks but still play the game. He doesnt have a lot of experience so we will see....

So what do you think ? is cs popular because of his simplicity ? does bf2 require more skils ? feel free to
comment.

edit : im not stating that all cs players suck in bf2. I think bushviper was a cs player before, so we have a good proof... but I still think that its hard for them to migrate from Cs to bf2, but not the opposite...
Played CS 1.6 and CS.S at a ok level and didnt have a problem at all with moveing over .BF2 imho doesnt need more skill at all just more awareness of the map .
iPoon.be
Internet Poon
+145|6999|Belgium

jord wrote:

Oh and there is no way to hide from the Predator-UAV.hAR hAR.
Play as spec-ops and dont move, you wont show up. You wont show up on the commander radar either, untill you make a movement..
ShadowFoX
I Hate Claymores
+109|7001
I played a lot of CS before BF2. You might say that migrating from CS to BF2 makes people suck but let me tell you. A BF2 player with no CS background will be in for a reality check once he starts playing CS. All his skills hiding from tanks aint going help when reflexes and quick aim are king.
Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd
Member
+169|7216|Mexico City
CSS doesnt require a lot of intelligence, is almost all, run or camp, and  point and click FAST.
Teamplay is absent (except clans), when somebody finds a target, everybody will shot at it trying to steal the kill, many people just camp all the time. And also, theres A LOT of hackers....
BF2 requires tactics, intelligence, teamplay, to survive and win.
u can see the CSS players at BF2, theyre the ones that think that shooting a tank with a riffle or a pistol will damage it...

Last edited by Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd (2006-09-04 14:00:30)

Knight`UK
Lollerstorycarpark
+371|7050|England

Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:

CSS doesnt require a lot of intelligence, is almost all, run or camp, and  point and click FAST.
Teamplay is absent (except clans), when somebody finds a target, everybody will shot at it trying to steal the kill, many people just camp all the time. And also, theres A LOT of hackers....
BF2 requires tactics, intelligence, teamplay, to survive and win.
u can see the CSS players at BF2, theyre the ones that think that shooting a tank with a riffle or a pistol will damage it...
Please dont insult my gameplay and generalize all ex cs 1.6/cs.s players .

Clan wars are totally different to public play in above games .

Both games are point click fast to win all you need in this one is a lil more awareness thats it no more skill is needed to play it .
kilgoretrout
Member
+53|6940|Little Rock, AR

Knight`UK wrote:

Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:

CSS doesnt require a lot of intelligence, is almost all, run or camp, and  point and click FAST.
Teamplay is absent (except clans), when somebody finds a target, everybody will shot at it trying to steal the kill, many people just camp all the time. And also, theres A LOT of hackers....
BF2 requires tactics, intelligence, teamplay, to survive and win.
u can see the CSS players at BF2, theyre the ones that think that shooting a tank with a riffle or a pistol will damage it...
Please dont insult my gameplay and generalize all ex cs 1.6/cs.s players .

Clan wars are totally different to public play in above games .

Both games are point click fast to win all you need in this one is a lil more awareness thats it no more skill is needed to play it .
The only thing I disagree with you about is that I think BF2 takes more skill if you want to get good with all the different types of vehicles.  I think it's a lot harder to be competent in a plane, chopper, and tank, while at the same time being able to pound the ground.  Now, if you just play infantry on BF2, I'd agree that BF2 doesn't take more skill.
Mj.Blindfisch
Bulletdrop-Buddha
+338|7167|Germany

-=raska=- wrote:

...I think that the only thing that require most skills in cs is aiming.

...Now he went back to cs because getting killed by something else than guns was too much for him.
So true.

That's why most of the players who came over from CS want the idiotic infantry-only option,no claymores or anything else in the game which requires a variety of skills,not just firing&moving.

Another thing which is remarkable with some of the BF2 players who came over from CS: They are the same whiny bitches they've always been.
In CS they bitched about AWP-whores,now it's jets,tanks,snipers,anything that can kill you easily because you suck,not because the other one is good.
In BF2 there are things which just pwn you,no matter how 1337 your AK-skills might be,a lot of CS-players can't accept that.
ShadowFoX
I Hate Claymores
+109|7001
CS needs real skill while skill in BF2 can be improvized with claymores and other forms of gay. In CS a better skilled player can take out anyone of lesser skill considering they have even HP. A noob with an AWP will get owned by a pro with a glock. Using claymores requires ZERO skill.

Not all CS players bitch about awpers I know I certainly dont since all you got to do is flash them or smoke grenade something and its an easy kill.
-=raska=-
Canada's French Frog
+123|7096|Quebec city, Canada
Yeah and thats why I state that you need to be good in much more aspects than in CS.
-=raska=-
Canada's French Frog
+123|7096|Quebec city, Canada

ShadowFoX wrote:

CS needs real skill while skill in BF2 can be improvized with claymores and other forms of gay. In CS a better skilled player can take out anyone of lesser skill considering they have even HP. A noob with an AWP will get owned by a pro with a glock. Using claymores requires ZERO skill.

Not all CS players bitch about awpers I know I certainly dont since all you got to do is flash them or smoke grenade something and its an easy kill.
ok, you can use gay weapons to kill people, I completely agree with you but at the other end the defender needs skills not to get killed by them ! You may be good at aiming and you may use gay weapons as you wish, if you cant avoid planes, helos and stuff and position well on the field, your score will suck
ShadowFoX
I Hate Claymores
+109|7001
Their 2 different genres of games in a sense. One is with everything but not as focused. Like infantry combat in BF2 sucks with all the hitdetection nonsense and general Max Payne dive. Infantry combat if 2 people come face to face the winner will probubly be the guy who can go prone and start spraying all over the place. In CS when 2 people come face to face is who can aim more accurately and quickly. A BF2 player will have a hard time playing CS if he never touched it before.

He will get owned as much as your friends get owned in BF2.

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