...you...ignorant...piece...of...shit...Jenkinsbball wrote:
Yeah, because that's so hard to do. Since we police everyone, I'm sure if any freaking 3rd world country organized and asked for help, our government would give them billions of dollars to build their country. But, they don't and they never go anywhere.PBAsydney wrote:
That's a very ignorant statement, the only reason they are so "worthless" in the first place is because the British and the Dutch and all other countries that came there just used them, they haven't adapted to the present.Jenkinsbball wrote:
I wish we could drop that entire side of the planet into the ocean. Worthless..................
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Darky i dont think you quite get it... The OP said what the average KDR for a soldier is and actaully as i said on page 1 it is 1, for every soldier killed, 1 dies therefore the AVERAGE KDR = 1.Darky wrote:
Actually, if a soldier kills 7 people, then gets killed, thats a 7:1 ratio, not a 1:1 ratio.Psycho wrote:
The Real Life KDR average is 1:1, because all the kills is equal to all the deaths. So any number divided by itself is 1.
however, there are a lot of considerations that could be factored in:
SUICIDES: Do you count these? If so, does it count for a kill and a death by that individual?
FRIENDLY FIRE (a.k.a. TKs): Do you count these and if so do you count them only as deaths and not as kills since the kill isn't intentional.
Now, if you are only talking about the KDR of soldiers who have actually killed someone (and may or may not have died later) and are not factoring in all the poor souls that were killed and didn't kill anyone themselves, then it becomes more difficult. The KDR would fluctuate greatly over the centuries and across countries. For example, the KDR was most likely lower during the 18th century when most fighting was hand-to-hand. And these days it would be higher for soldiers from countries such as the USA that are more technologically advanced than most of it's adversaries.
And technically, you cant work out a ratio, until the said soldier is dead, unless you work out ratio of armies that have fought in battles and lost soldiers.
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sry he was alive in 1998. 93 years old..Todd_Angelo wrote:
I beat you to it and he passed away in '02DeathUnlimited wrote:
Best: Simo Häyhä (Finland): 542 Kills With an UNSCOPED 7.62 rifle and 200+ Kills with an UNSCOPED Submachinegun. He is 93 years still alive.
F-16 > all.BabySpinach wrote:
Yes, your take your crappy J-10 IRL. Meanwhile, I'll take my F-15 and own your J-10.eagles1106 wrote:
Mmk Pba, ill take a j10 or a helo with a good pilot I know, and you can go on foot, I wonder who will win....PBAsydney wrote:
No it isn't, when you are using a tank you are going to get either owned by another tank, a plane, AT soldiers or a C4 monkey.
As infantry you can hide everywhere, take cover easily and sneak around to stay alive.
It is pretty obvious it's Russians who lie. U know, what don't they lie. (I don't mean russian ppl, I mean teh government of russia...)Fearmesnipers wrote:
In that case you can neither say Russia or the fins are lieing. Its obviously one of them, but you cannot just say its one with zero evidence.DeathUnlimited wrote:
Probably. In the wars of Finland died about 40 Russians per 1 Finnish. Russians have only admitted 10:1..INDREKK367 wrote:
Russians are probably not telling the truth...
I think Stalin killed more.. As he also killed 20 million russians as their leader 'cos he didn't want any1 to take his place..Vilham wrote:
Darky i dont think you quite get it... The OP said what the average KDR for a soldier is and actaully as i said on page 1 it is 1, for every soldier killed, 1 dies therefore the AVERAGE KDR = 1.Darky wrote:
Actually, if a soldier kills 7 people, then gets killed, thats a 7:1 ratio, not a 1:1 ratio.Psycho wrote:
The Real Life KDR average is 1:1, because all the kills is equal to all the deaths. So any number divided by itself is 1.
however, there are a lot of considerations that could be factored in:
SUICIDES: Do you count these? If so, does it count for a kill and a death by that individual?
FRIENDLY FIRE (a.k.a. TKs): Do you count these and if so do you count them only as deaths and not as kills since the kill isn't intentional.
Now, if you are only talking about the KDR of soldiers who have actually killed someone (and may or may not have died later) and are not factoring in all the poor souls that were killed and didn't kill anyone themselves, then it becomes more difficult. The KDR would fluctuate greatly over the centuries and across countries. For example, the KDR was most likely lower during the 18th century when most fighting was hand-to-hand. And these days it would be higher for soldiers from countries such as the USA that are more technologically advanced than most of it's adversaries.
And technically, you cant work out a ratio, until the said soldier is dead, unless you work out ratio of armies that have fought in battles and lost soldiers.
Edit - but to Psycho's point i dont know if KDR individually has increased if you discount bombs and missles and are just talking about people that can actually see their enemy and are shooting them, there are cases of people winning upwards of 50 "to the death" duals in the past, obviously the highest total KDR can be laid on Mr Adolf Hitler, he ordered the killing of millions even if he didnt pull the trigger others did just on his word, personally i blame him for those deaths and not the stupid guilable people that followed him.
hahahahaM1-Lightning wrote:
I wonder how many soldiers spawncamp in real life to get a high kdr.DoctorFruitloop wrote:
Yeah, I think he means IRL.
Anyone? Someone must have those stats somewhere.
http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=2966For extraordinary heroism as Combined Anti-Armor Platoon Commander, Weapons Company, 3rd Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force in support of Operation IRAQI FREEDOM on 25 March 2003. While leading his platoon north on Highway I toward Ad Diwaniyah, First Lieutenant Chontosh's platoon moved into a coordinated ambush of mortars, rocket propelled grenades, and automatic weapons fire. With coalition tanks blocking the road ahead, he realized his platoon was caught in a kill zone. He had his driver move the vehicle through a breach along his flank, where he was immediately taken under fire from an entrenched machine gun. Without hesitation, First Lieutenant Chontosh ordered the driver to advance directly at the enemy position enabling his .50 caliber machine gunner to silence the enemy. He then directed his driver into the enemy trench, where he exited his vehicle and began to clear the trench with an M16A2 service rifle and 9 millimeter pistol. His ammunition depleted, First Lieutenant Chontosh, with complete disregard for his safety, twice picked up discarded enemy rifles and continued his ferocious attack. When a Marine following him found an enemy rocket propelled grenade launcher, First Lieutenant Chontosh used it to destroy yet another group of enemy soldiers. When his audacious attack ended, he had cleared over 200 meters of the enemy trench, killing more than 20 enemy soldiers and wounding several others. By his outstanding display of decisive leadership, unlimited courage in the face of heavy enemy fire, and utmost devotion to duty, First Lieutenant Chontosh reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and the United States Naval Service.
Wow look at this (from the article)Snake wrote:
How about one of our British snipers
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006350757,00.html
39/0 in RL with an L96A1....thats better than any sniper in BF2
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Hitler was responsible for 50 million deaths. Stalin did kill millions in the Gulag, however lots of people assume that being sent to the Gulag meant death, it was more harsh than any prisioner of war camp but millions did survive it, at the end of Stalins Reign 28.7 million went into the Gulag or were political exiles.DeathUnlimited wrote:
I think Stalin killed more.. As he also killed 20 million russians as their leader 'cos he didn't want any1 to take his place..Vilham wrote:
Darky i dont think you quite get it... The OP said what the average KDR for a soldier is and actaully as i said on page 1 it is 1, for every soldier killed, 1 dies therefore the AVERAGE KDR = 1.Darky wrote:
Actually, if a soldier kills 7 people, then gets killed, thats a 7:1 ratio, not a 1:1 ratio.
And technically, you cant work out a ratio, until the said soldier is dead, unless you work out ratio of armies that have fought in battles and lost soldiers.
Edit - but to Psycho's point i dont know if KDR individually has increased if you discount bombs and missles and are just talking about people that can actually see their enemy and are shooting them, there are cases of people winning upwards of 50 "to the death" duals in the past, obviously the highest total KDR can be laid on Mr Adolf Hitler, he ordered the killing of millions even if he didnt pull the trigger others did just on his word, personally i blame him for those deaths and not the stupid guilable people that followed him.
Stalin... 10 million Ukrainians, several thousands of Rusian officers, and What have you.... He only died once.l. so that's probably around 12-15.000.000:1 Nice ratio ?INDREKK367 wrote:
Russians are probably not telling the truth...DeathUnlimited wrote:
With normal guns (not vehicles or bombs) The most confirmed kills. TOP3
Best: Simo Häyhä (Finland): 542 Kills With an UNSCOPED 7.62 rifle and 200+ Kills with an UNSCOPED Submachinegun. He is 93 years still alive.
Second: Nikolay Ilyin (Russia) 496 Kills
Third: Erwin König (Germany) 400+ Kills
All Records done in WWII.
FINLAND. That's the place where the best snipers come from..
Which makes me wonder how many soldiers team flash or TK for jets. That'd be a pretty chaotic scene on an aircraft carrier.M1-Lightning wrote:
I wonder how many soldiers spawncamp in real life to get a high kdr.DoctorFruitloop wrote:
Yeah, I think he means IRL.
Anyone? Someone must have those stats somewhere.