cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|7086|NJ
I was very very fortunate that I didn't lose anyone on 9/11 but many of my friends since then have, so think before you post. It's really not hard, think about what people(who lost people) might be comforatble with.. Maybe a prayer if you're religious, maybe just drop a peaceful "I"m sorry" post..

Edit: I will never let you know what I lost because this is the internet... So if you can't agree with me go fuck yourself...

Last edited by cpt.fass1 (2006-09-12 00:08:38)

Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6972|SE London

fadedsteve wrote:

Gawwad wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

Its aweful!!! IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE FUCKING HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Both the Clinton and Bush administrations failed to take this threat seriously, and 3,000 people died as a result! Not to mention those security networks i.e. THE FUCKING FBI for not arresting the known arab terrorists ALREADY here in the USA! The scale of incompetence is unprecidented. . . . .

The best we can do is recognize the failures and miscalculations, and try and correct them in an expedient manner!! Put politics aside and get the known issues corrected!!!!!

KILL BIN LADEN!!!!!!!! This guy needs to be brought to justice! I am an Iraq War supporter, but I recognize that this man needed to be killed FIRST before we started fucking with Saddam Insain. 

It is unbelievable that we havent gotten this prick yet. . . . How?? What is the delay?? How come no press conference/presidental address have been made concerning the progress/lack of on the hunt for this criminal.

Finally, NEVER capitulate to terrorists or nations that support terrorism (i.e. Iran/Syria etc.)! I say attack first, and let allah sort their asses out!!! We have had a defensive posture for YEARS, now the gloves need to come off!! NEGOTIATIONS BUY TIME, NOT PEACE!!!!!!

Revamp the ROE (rules of engagement) for fighting terrorists, make it easier for our military to do the job in which they are trained and skilled to do!!

Lastly, give a handshake to those men and women in uniform that protect our asses everyday, so that we may live in freedom!
You are speaking off topic and what you're saying your country should do, is exactly what causes terrorism.
Your high on drugs. . . .

Nothing I said here will cause terrorism. . .
It already has. The invasion of Iraq has increased terrorist activity in the area massively. That is an undeniable fact. Iraq is headed towards becoming an Islamic state, ideal as a terrorist breeding ground.

fadedsteve wrote:

Capitulating to terrorists and not fighting them is causing MORE terrorism!!
Do you know what terrorism is? The whole concept of terrorism is based on perceived threat. The high profile 'War on Terror' is a ludicrous idea, playing right into the terrorists hands. Terrorists have never had such a massive level of media exposure. All this media exposure is exactly what promotes terrorism, half of the terrorists job os being done for them by the worlds media.


fadedsteve wrote:

Why dont you go back and RE-HIDE in your liberal socialist bubble over there in Finnland!

We havent been hit in five years due to changing policies and taking the fight to the enemy!
Haven't been hit on home soil in 5 years. Terrorist attacks against the US are up. In Iraq the new terror training camps have US soldiers for the new recruits to prove themselves against. That's why you don't get attacks in the US - the US goes to them.

US allies have been hit. Madrid, London etc.

fadedsteve wrote:

I hope we continue to be steadfast and not listen to the Euro lap dogs who have no clue as to how to fight this enemy!

*moment of silence to all the victims of 9/11, and the USA military and her allies in arms against these monsters*
The US have already demonstrated they are virtually incapable of fighting the war on terror with their current tactics. Terrorism is up, the profile of terrorism within the media is up and peoples concern about terrorism is at very high levels - that's what terrorism is - scaring people.

How about a moment of silence for all those who died in Rwanda, about 300x more people than died in the WTC. Most of whom were hacked to pieces with machetes, sounds worse to me than dying in a collapsing tower.
millhous
Member
+39|7028|OREEGONE, USA
The worlds going to hell, and me without my camera.
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6881|Menlo Park, CA
Bertster7 your entitled to your opinions albeit your liberal ones. . .

But your wrong. . .you watch your British Skynews that continue to portray the doom and gloom of the world!! And portray the USA as a bunch of cowboy idiots that dont know what the fuck were doing!

Your idea of combating terrorism is the same as ours was before 9/11!! Bill Clinton shared your same philosophy on handling terrorists! And we were a day late and a dollar short!! Bush too continued Clintons lack of inaction when he was in his first 8 months of office!!

Iraq will prove a success in years, not months! Afghanistan will be the same way, ONLY if we stay the course and continue to stand up to the terrorists and fight them toe to toe!!

All you guys do is bitch and moan! WHATS YOUR FUCKING PLAN THEN GUY?? What do you fucking propose we do to effectively end terrorism??

You liberal rants grow seriously tiresome! There is no constructive arguing with you, because whatever facts I could dig up to refute yours, you'll say I'm full of it etc. . . . .its flat out not worth the effort!

I dont have the time to waste arguing on the internet, I said my piece and thats it!

Rwanda?? yes it was terrible, and unexcusable. . .But saying that was a worse way to die than those of the 9/11 attacks is irresponsible on your part and offensive!

p.s. Our military is perfectly capable of fighting the terrorist brigand army by the way!! I am not worried about losing to them militarily, I am worried about the social liberals not having the balls to continue to fight and persue the enemy!! Avoidance of conflict doesnt promote a long and lasting peace!
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6972|SE London

fadedsteve wrote:

Bertster7 your entitled to your opinions albeit your liberal ones. . .

But your wrong. . .you watch your British Skynews that continue to portray the doom and gloom of the world!! And portray the USA as a bunch of cowboy idiots that dont know what the fuck were doing!
Sky News is crap. You do realise Sky News is essentially FOX don't you?

fadedsteve wrote:

Your idea of combating terrorism is the same as ours was before 9/11!! Bill Clinton shared your same philosophy on handling terrorists! And we were a day late and a dollar short!! Bush too continued Clintons lack of inaction when he was in his first 8 months of office!!
I am not suggesting no action be taken. I am suggesting that the action taken should not be so widely publicised, nor should the terrorist attacks. Terrorism is about fear, that's what terror means. I have heard many people saying that they are afraid to fly after 9/11, which is as a result of media attention and is exactly what the terrorists want to happen. I am not suggesting the media cover up these terrorist attacks, major ones should be reported, but not nearly to the same extent and the high profile war on terror is an awful idea. Carefully planned strikes based on quality inteligence is what the US should be doing to combat terrorism, not waging war in Iraq. Afghanistan is another matter - terrorist activity in Afghanistan is under more control now than it was prior to the US invasion, so the invasion has worked quite well.

fadedsteve wrote:

Iraq will prove a success in years, not months! Afghanistan will be the same way, ONLY if we stay the course and continue to stand up to the terrorists and fight them toe to toe!!
Iraq will not prove a success, ever. Not for a very, very long time at least. Afghanistan might. It has certainly improved since the invasion, which I was very much in favour of. The US cannot influence Iraqi elections very much and the US backed candidates have done very badly. The majority of successfull Iraqi candidates are Islamic extreme types, who will not be good for long term stability in Iraq. But that is who te nation want to lead them and the US promoting democracy can do nothing about that. They cannot control who the people of Iraq vote for.

fadedsteve wrote:

All you guys do is bitch and moan! WHATS YOUR FUCKING PLAN THEN GUY?? What do you fucking propose we do to effectively end terrorism??
You can't 'end terrorism'. It can't be done. War against an idea doesn't work. What can be done is to reduce the amount of terrorism by addressing the causes and by taking out existing terrorist targets and attacking terrorists cells in such a way as not to create more terrorists (in general covert strikes and arrests, infiltration of cells would also be good). As well as reducing the amount of terrorism governments should be promoting confidence in anti terrorism measures, stressing public safety and terrorist attacks should be downplayed. Publicity is what the terrorists want, give them as little as possible. That will reduce the climate of fear.

fadedsteve wrote:

You liberal rants grow seriously tiresome! There is no constructive arguing with you, because whatever facts I could dig up to refute yours, you'll say I'm full of it etc. . . . .its flat out not worth the effort!

I dont have the time to waste arguing on the internet, I said my piece and thats it!

Rwanda?? yes it was terrible, and unexcusable. . .But saying that was a worse way to die than those of the 9/11 attacks is irresponsible on your part and offensive!
I will only say you're full of shit if your sources are unreliable. I can't recall you ever posting any sources in previous threads I have been involved in. Certainly not any credible ones. I could be mistaken though. I am always interested to see solid sources opposing my views as they can make me reassess my opinions, usually my opinion will remain unchanged, but not always - that is the point of debate.

I totally believe it is a worse way to die than those who died in the 9/11 attacks. I can't see how that statement is in any way irrespnsible or offensive. Being dragged out of your home and watching your entire family being butchered with machetes in front of you while you are beaten and then hacked to death. It is a much worse death than those who died on 9/11 suffered. Not that I am belittling the suffering of those who perished in the 9/11 attacks, but I think their suffering, however bad it was - and the ones who burnt to death, that is a horrible way to die - was not as bad as those who were massacred in Rwanda.

fadedsteve wrote:

p.s. Our military is perfectly capable of fighting the terrorist brigand army by the way!! I am not worried about losing to them militarily, I am worried about the social liberals not having the balls to continue to fight and persue the enemy!! Avoidance of conflict doesnt promote a long and lasting peace!
You can't fight terrorism militarily. Isolated military strikes, yes. Attacks to gain control of areas backing terrorism, yes (one of the reasons I back the war in Afghanistan so strongly). But you cannot fight terrorism in general with the military. It is just one tool for combating terrorism and not the most important tool at that.

Avoidance of conflict is exactly what promotes peace. The statement proves itself.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2006-09-12 05:36:21)

Evader
Member
+3|6849

Bertster7 wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

Gawwad wrote:


You are speaking off topic and what you're saying your country should do, is exactly what causes terrorism.
Your high on drugs. . . .

Nothing I said here will cause terrorism. . .
It already has. The invasion of Iraq has increased terrorist activity in the area massively. That is an undeniable fact. Iraq is headed towards becoming an Islamic state, ideal as a terrorist breeding ground.

fadedsteve wrote:

Capitulating to terrorists and not fighting them is causing MORE terrorism!!
Do you know what terrorism is? The whole concept of terrorism is based on perceived threat. The high profile 'War on Terror' is a ludicrous idea, playing right into the terrorists hands. Terrorists have never had such a massive level of media exposure. All this media exposure is exactly what promotes terrorism, half of the terrorists job os being done for them by the worlds media.


fadedsteve wrote:

Why dont you go back and RE-HIDE in your liberal socialist bubble over there in Finnland!

We havent been hit in five years due to changing policies and taking the fight to the enemy!
Haven't been hit on home soil in 5 years. Terrorist attacks against the US are up. In Iraq the new terror training camps have US soldiers for the new recruits to prove themselves against. That's why you don't get attacks in the US - the US goes to them.

US allies have been hit. Madrid, London etc.

fadedsteve wrote:

I hope we continue to be steadfast and not listen to the Euro lap dogs who have no clue as to how to fight this enemy!

*moment of silence to all the victims of 9/11, and the USA military and her allies in arms against these monsters*
The US have already demonstrated they are virtually incapable of fighting the war on terror with their current tactics. Terrorism is up, the profile of terrorism within the media is up and peoples concern about terrorism is at very high levels - that's what terrorism is - scaring people.

How about a moment of silence for all those who died in Rwanda, about 300x more people than died in the WTC. Most of whom were hacked to pieces with machetes, sounds worse to me than dying in a collapsing tower.
I agree man, one of the greatest weapons that terrorists have gained since 9-11 is the over sensationalized media attention they have received. Recruiting new terrorists and promoting their propaganda has to be so much easier when all their advertising is done for free. Think of what it does to strengthen their resolve whenever they turn on their television's or open a newspaper and see the world completely comsumed with terrorism and the fear of new attacks, and see civilians world wide afraid fly, travel, trust their governments, plan for the future, or just find the ability to trust in mankind or find any joy at all.

Think about this for a moment, anytime a plane crashes now, our media immediately points the finger towards terrorism. A gas explosion at a factory, yep, must be terrorism. A man eating a powdered doughnut at a bus stop leaves powdered sugar behind, yeah, better call the FBI and HAZMAT, must be an anthrax attack. If the media would lay off of over-sensationalizing terrorism and every instance like above, and report only the facts it would go along way towards easing public tensions and fear.

However, I fully believe we should never forget what happened, or what could happen still, but, so long as we live like this and the media continues to promote terrorism rather than report it, the terrorists are winning and will continue to achieve thier goals, now matter how hard we fight them politically or militarily.
Gawwad
My way or Haddaway!
+212|7076|Espoo, Finland

fadedsteve wrote:

Gawwad wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

Its aweful!!! IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE FUCKING HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Both the Clinton and Bush administrations failed to take this threat seriously, and 3,000 people died as a result! Not to mention those security networks i.e. THE FUCKING FBI for not arresting the known arab terrorists ALREADY here in the USA! The scale of incompetence is unprecidented. . . . .

The best we can do is recognize the failures and miscalculations, and try and correct them in an expedient manner!! Put politics aside and get the known issues corrected!!!!!

KILL BIN LADEN!!!!!!!! This guy needs to be brought to justice! I am an Iraq War supporter, but I recognize that this man needed to be killed FIRST before we started fucking with Saddam Insain. 

It is unbelievable that we havent gotten this prick yet. . . . How?? What is the delay?? How come no press conference/presidental address have been made concerning the progress/lack of on the hunt for this criminal.

Finally, NEVER capitulate to terrorists or nations that support terrorism (i.e. Iran/Syria etc.)! I say attack first, and let allah sort their asses out!!! We have had a defensive posture for YEARS, now the gloves need to come off!! NEGOTIATIONS BUY TIME, NOT PEACE!!!!!!

Revamp the ROE (rules of engagement) for fighting terrorists, make it easier for our military to do the job in which they are trained and skilled to do!!

Lastly, give a handshake to those men and women in uniform that protect our asses everyday, so that we may live in freedom!
You are speaking off topic and what you're saying your country should do, is exactly what causes terrorism.
Your high on drugs. . . .

Nothing I said here will cause terrorism. . .

Capitulating to terrorists and not fighting them is causing MORE terrorism!!

Why dont you go back and RE-HIDE in your liberal socialist bubble over there in Finnland!

We havent been hit in five years due to changing policies and taking the fight to the enemy!

I hope we continue to be steadfast and not listen to the Euro lap dogs who have no clue as to how to fight this enemy!

*moment of silence to all the victims of 9/11, and the USA military and her allies in arms against these monsters*
I don't see the need to start insulting, though you might have found that you have nothing more constructive to say...
Thus I'm not saying I'm insulted by you telling me that my country is safe


btw, Finland has not tried to protect itself by going to war in the middle east. still somehow there is no terrorism here? How can that be...
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6991|132 and Bush

Gawwad wrote:

still somehow there is no terrorism here? How can that be...
too cold?
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