<[onex]>Headstone
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Seeing that the last plotters and Many cells are in the UK, this can only mean trouble for the US and Our citizens.

The Times of London reports today that police in Britain have agreed to brief a panel of Muslim leaders before conducting terror raids.

Members of the panel will offer their assessment of the quality of information police have on a Muslim suspect and the panel will consider the consequences of the proposed raid on community relations as a whole.
Remember, this comes a week after the homeland security director of Britain was interrupted during a public presentation and shouted down — threatened really — by an angry Muslim man in the audience.

This arrangement between the counter terrorism officials of Great Britain and self-styled leaders of the Muslim community is tantamount to setting up Sharia law zones inside Britain's otherwise universal system of law and order.

Who else gets a panel of experts to decide if a raid by police is warranted? In the British system and in our system up till now a judge made that call. Now in Great Britain a judge is not good enough. Experts on Muslim sensitivities may now get the final word.

Think it might be possible that someone on the panel of experts, or their staff members, might warn the terror cell being targeted? Nah, nothing like that could ever happen.

Both Clinton and Bush have made mistakes, but I'll take either one over the system that is about to be instituted in Great Britain.

This is true folks. Just think if this were in place BEFORE they found those 14 people that were going to Hijack the airliners a few weeks ago.

How much longer are the Non Muslim British-English citizens going to take this complacency sp? before it all comes to a head and they either riot, or they themselves Teeter on the brink of a civil war? I Mean isn't this giving into the demands of the radical Extremists? In the history of the British, They have never been people to sit by and Take this type of manipulation without a fight. Something is going to blow over there. Its only a matter of time before the People wake up and take back there country.

This whole thing is Like the police asking the criminals themselves if its OK to raid there operations. Its asinine and dangerous for the rest of the world. Especially for US citizens Using Air travel or just vacationing in the UK.


I feel for my brothers in the UK who feel helpless over the situation there Liberalized Govt has put them and there country in.  The world being PC and Religion are going to be the cause of WW3 Not just one man. One thing is for sure, sooner or later Some country is going to do something Very radical and devastating, it will finally end this Political correctness and religious Fighting. Lets just hope its in time to wake the world up.
mafia996630
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YES , Uk should just invade Iran,Syria and Lebanon. And a lot more right? just to show arrogant Americans that u.k is really doing something?

People like you think killing a mouse with a nuke is acceptable. And there you go generalizing again.

Remember UK does not equal US.
Remember Britons do not equal americans.

People who like licking American arse, like Tony Blair will be made to stand down. Don't get me wrong here, iam not saying people can't support u.s.
Stomper_40k
Re-Incarnation. You mean re-spawn right?
+44|7038|Cardiff - Wales - UK
Yes our country is run by a fucking idiot.  But then so is the US.
<[onex]>Headstone
Member
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Man you two Just dont comprehend what is happening do you? Where in the post did I generalize YOU or anyone? Im on Your side you dimwits. I dont like seeing your rights and your country going to pot like this. Not at all. So wake up and please read the post as it is intended to be.

Mafia, In your sig you say Noboby Gives you freedom, A real man Takes it. Wake up man, Start taking your freedom back instead of letting Tony, and the Muslim movement take YOUR freedoms away. Until 2008, There isnt shit i can do about mine.

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JahManRed
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+646|7020|IRELAND

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Seeing that the last plotters and Many cells are in the UK, this can only mean trouble for the US and Our citizens.

The Times of London reports today that police in Britain have agreed to brief a panel of Muslim leaders before conducting terror raids.
The times is as right wing as fox, its not surprising it puts a negative slant on the proposal.

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Members of the panel will offer their assessment of the quality of information police have on a Muslim suspect and the panel will consider the consequences of the proposed raid on community relations as a whole.
Remember, this comes a week after the homeland security director of Britain was interrupted during a public presentation and shouted down — threatened really — by an angry Muslim man in the audience.
Why is this a bad thing? Dialog and communications between the various communities in the UK can only help understanding when a community feels it is being victimized. Only 1/3 of the raids carried out by the UK police have resulted in charges being brought and most of them have not been terrorist related. Innocent people have been dragged from their beds, ppl have been shot. The UK police is trying to smooth relations with Muslims. You are so close minded you see this as a bad thing. Yes that man interrupted the Home secretary while he was speaking, but as the HS said after wards himself. "He is entitled to free speech at a public meeting" When we say we have free speech over here it is actually the truth. The guy was rude and he has some extremist views. To prevent ppl like him brain washing the young Muslims, these proposed measures will go along way to protecting young Muslims from such influences.

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

This arrangement between the counter terrorism officials of Great Britain and self-styled leaders of the Muslim community is tantamount to setting up Sharia law zones inside Britain's otherwise universal system of law and order..
Abit of an over reaction this. The police entering into dialog to find the best approach to a complex situation involves Sharia Law? Stop being so sensationalist. You could get a job writing headlines for the Times or Fox.

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Who else gets a panel of experts to decide if a raid by police is warranted? In the British system and in our system up till now a judge made that call. Now in Great Britain a judge is not good enough. Experts on Muslim sensitivities may now get the final word.

Think it might be possible that someone on the panel of experts, or their staff members, might warn the terror cell being targeted? Nah, nothing like that could ever happen..
"Khurshid Ahmed, leader of the British Muslim Forum was rung by a chief superintendent from the Metropolitan Police and a senior official from the Department for Communities and Local Government just before 7am to be told the arrests had taken place."    The government is proposing to contact the leaders as soon as the raids take place, like the raids on 10th August. I can find no information to say that the leaders will be told before the raids take place. Can you provide a link to substantiate your claim?

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Both Clinton and Bush have made mistakes, but I'll take either one over the system that is about to be instituted in Great Britain.

This is true folks. Just think if this were in place BEFORE they found those 14 people that were going to Hijack the airliners a few weeks ago...
The 14 ppl arrested before they could allegedly commit their crimes is testament that the current system is working. You are calling for even more hardline laws. If it ain't broke don't fix it. What does need to be tackled is why are these ppl becoming extremist. You seam to only care about the solution, not the cause. Maybe the cause may help find the solution....no?

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

How much longer are the Non Muslim British-English citizens going to take this complacency sp? before it all comes to a head and they either riot, or they themselves Teeter on the brink of a civil war? I Mean isn't this giving into the demands of the radical Extremists? In the history of the British, They have never been people to sit by and Take this type of manipulation without a fight. Something is going to blow over there. Its only a matter of time before the People wake up and take back there country.

This whole thing is Like the police asking the criminals themselves if its OK to raid there operations. Its asinine and dangerous for the rest of the world. Especially for US citizens Using Air travel or just vacationing in the UK...
You talk about the British. The Muslims you speak off like they are foreign invaders are born and breed British citizens. Are you proposing we demote them to half citizens. If your skin is a different colour, your religion is different, hell if you different from me, you shouldn't have the same rights?? You forget that 99.99% of British Muslims are honest law abiding folk who love the UK. You seam to want to demonize the whole section of the community over the actions of the few. This will be the biggest recruiter for the extremists. Thankfully people like you aren't running the country.

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

I feel for my brothers in the UK who feel helpless over the situation there Liberalized Govt has put them and there country in.  The world being PC and Religion are going to be the cause of WW3 Not just one man. One thing is for sure, sooner or later Some country is going to do something Very radical and devastating, it will finally end this Political correctness and religious Fighting. Lets just hope its in time to wake the world up.
Sounds like you can't wait to get a religious war started. A real Renaissance man you are. Religion is not going to be the cause of ww3. Ignorant intolerant blinded and secular people are going to be the cause. Good luck with your crusade.
Jainus
Member
+30|6969|Herts, UK

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Think it might be possible that someone on the panel of experts, or their staff members, might warn the terror cell being targeted? Nah, nothing like that could ever happen.
Interesting post and I'm impressed that you've managed to insinuate that the Muslim Council of Britain are aiding and abetting the terrorists; thats really going to help matters isn't it?

The move by the Police is meant to try and help relations between a minority and the police. There have been a few high profile raids of late in the UK that have been done off the back of faulty intelligence. Many Muslims here do not trust the Police in the slightest and as a result are not coming forward with information that could help us simply because they are afraid.

There are however some things incorrect with your post. This panel will not decide if the raid goes ahead, only offer advice about it. The Police will still go through the normal procedures that defend the liberties of all UK citizens beforehand, its just that they will now take advice on any political sensitivities.

For example, there was outrage by Muslims a few years back because the Police led a raid against a Mosque. They didn't take off their shoes and interrupted the prayer of many people in the Mosque. To me... thats what a raid is!! It would never occur to me, nor it seems did it occur to the Police, that such an act would bring such outrage. A different set of values and a different view of the world and the Muslims got offended.

How easy would it have been for the police to conduct the raid using a different set of footwear then they normally use in the outside world? Something so simple that was missed, caused great offence and could have been avoided - this is the sort of thing the council advises on. They are not there to tell the Police they can't raid, only to help the understanding between the Muslims and the Police.

In the UK we do seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time and resources on the handling a increasing touchy part of our society. There are somewhere near 1.6 million Muslims in a population of 60 million UK citizens; i agree completely with you (as it happens) that a dedicated panel of Muslim advisers is overkill. But we're trying to live together peacefully without fear and the current government believes that this might help.

Give it a chance and see what happens.
Jainus - 23 year old white male, agnostic
mafia996630
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<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Man you two Just dont comprehend what is happening do you? Where in the post did I generalize YOU or anyone? Im on Your side you dimwits. I dont like seeing your rights and your country going to pot like this. Not at all. So wake up and please read the post as it is intended to be.

Mafia, In your sig you say Noboby Gives you freedom, A real man Takes it. Wake up man, Start taking your freedom back instead of letting Tony, and the Muslim movement take YOUR freedoms away. Until 2008, There isnt shit i can do about mine.
i think you have it seriously wrong.
gga43ta234t2
Member
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no government is perfect, accept it
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
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mafia996630 wrote:

arrogant Americans

And there you go generalizing again.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6942|Southeastern USA
seriously dumbshit move, considering the leading islamists are jihaadiis
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6942|Southeastern USA

Jainus wrote:

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Think it might be possible that someone on the panel of experts, or their staff members, might warn the terror cell being targeted? Nah, nothing like that could ever happen.
Interesting post and I'm impressed that you've managed to insinuate that the Muslim Council of Britain are aiding and abetting the terrorists; thats really going to help matters isn't it?
what have they done to thwart terrorrists, or, shudder to think, aid police

raids happen without warning, shoes and all
<[onex]>Headstone
Member
+102|7094|New York

gga43ta234t2 wrote:

no government is perfect, accept it
I Have, The question have you, and what are you prepared to do about it? How much are YOU willing to give up to these Minorities as you call them? Are you willing to give up your first born as not to offend? How far are you willing to go? Are you THAT willing to let a religion dictate your countries Direction just to have peace? I mean Really now, A pair of shoes? Offensive? Your off your horse there bud. That in itself is insane and proves my point in How far things have gone just to make nice with a people who could interpret a writing on a piece of paper in a different way at any time, in a way that suits them at any given time, to advance there cause. Your being taken for a ride folks(just like we are here in a sense) But when are you going to care?

I give up on you that dont, Ill direct my energy to those in the UK who truely see what this means, and this is not just a proposal, Its now a practice, or should i say law. so Now lets see where it leads. Ill hope for the best for your people, but i dont put much stock in this road your government has chosen to take.
mafia996630
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ARROGANT Americans, means only arrogant Americas, NOT all Americans.

"This whole thing is Like the police asking the criminals themselves if its OK to raid there operations. "

This is arrogance.
JahManRed
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<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

I give up on you that dont, Ill direct my energy to those in the UK who truely see what this means.
You can email them direct or post on their message board. http://www.bnp.org.uk/
<[onex]>Headstone
Member
+102|7094|New York

mafia996630 wrote:

ARROGANT Americans, means only arrogant Americas, NOT all Americans.

"This whole thing is Like the police asking the criminals themselves if its OK to raid there operations. "

This is arrogance.
If you look up the word Arrogance, you surely wont find any examples like that to define the word. Your pretty off base with that response.

Thanks for the link, But until i know what it is I decline to click it. care to explain before i go there? Thanks.
mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
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<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

ARROGANT Americans, means only arrogant Americas, NOT all Americans.

"This whole thing is Like the police asking the criminals themselves if its OK to raid there operations. "

This is arrogance.
If you look up the word Arrogance, you surely wont find any examples like that to define the word. Your pretty off base with that response.

Thanks for the link, But until i know what it is I decline to click it. care to explain before i go there? Thanks.
LOL, YOU WROTE THAT, you are the arrogant American.

Anyway there's nothing wrong with the link, its a link to the homepage of a political party in the UK.
<[onex]>Headstone
Member
+102|7094|New York

mafia996630 wrote:

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

ARROGANT Americans, means only arrogant Americas, NOT all Americans.

"This whole thing is Like the police asking the criminals themselves if its OK to raid there operations. "

This is arrogance.
If you look up the word Arrogance, you surely wont find any examples like that to define the word. Your pretty off base with that response.

Thanks for the link, But until i know what it is I decline to click it. care to explain before i go there? Thanks.
LOL, YOU WROTE THAT, you are the arrogant American.

Anyway there's nothing wrong with the link, its a link to the homepage of a political party in the UK.
Thanks, But again, Where is MY statement arrogant? You must have the definition of arrogance mixed up with locgic. Because if you look at the statement, it sure seems logical to anyone reading it.
ghettoperson
Member
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JahManRed wrote:

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

I give up on you that dont, Ill direct my energy to those in the UK who truely see what this means.
You can email them direct or post on their message board. http://www.bnp.org.uk/
LOL. The BNP is just a political party, no need to be afraid of them. They're just good, peace loving Britons like the rest of us...

Anyway, as far as the coucil is concerd everyone is so islamophobic nowadays, that I'm pretty confident that no extremists will be on it. But I'm sure you believe all Muslims are extremists...

I also think that this will just be for matters like whether to shut down a mosque that is potentially preaching extremism. Matters of imminant national security will go no where near a council. We don't have to ask Parliment everytime we want to stop ourselves getting blown up.
UON
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+223|7046

ghettoperson wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

I give up on you that dont, Ill direct my energy to those in the UK who truely see what this means.
You can email them direct or post on their message board. http://www.bnp.org.uk/
LOL. The BNP is just a political party, no need to be afraid of them. They're just good, peace loving Britons like the rest of us...
Yeah, they're great... don't let the fact that whenever you see BNP and NF graffiti it's almost always on ethnic minority owned property with a couple of Swastika's thrown in for good measure fool you...

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mafia996630
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<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:


If you look up the word Arrogance, you surely wont find any examples like that to define the word. Your pretty off base with that response.

Thanks for the link, But until i know what it is I decline to click it. care to explain before i go there? Thanks.
LOL, YOU WROTE THAT, you are the arrogant American.

Anyway there's nothing wrong with the link, its a link to the homepage of a political party in the UK.
Thanks, But again, Where is MY statement arrogant? You must have the definition of arrogance mixed up with locgic. Because if you look at the statement, it sure seems logical to anyone reading it.
"This whole thing is Like the police asking the criminals themselves if its OK to raid there operations."
How is this statement not arrogant?
<[onex]>Headstone
Member
+102|7094|New York

mafia996630 wrote:

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:


LOL, YOU WROTE THAT, you are the arrogant American.

Anyway there's nothing wrong with the link, its a link to the homepage of a political party in the UK.
Thanks, But again, Where is MY statement arrogant? You must have the definition of arrogance mixed up with logic. Because if you look at the statement, it sure seems logical to anyone reading it.
"This whole thing is Like the police asking the criminals themselves if its OK to raid there operations."
How is this statement not arrogant?
I asked first, So back up your original statement. I do not need to answer, you called it so, so you tell me HOW BY DEFINITION is it Arrogant? BTW, the Original post was not in my own words, Was barrowed up until about the part about Bush and clinton. But anyways, Back to the matter at hand, Answer my question please. Thanks.

Ever notice I act as i please to suit the moment or conversation? LOL Isn't the Internet wonderful? Its funny how you can make people believe you are an uneducated redneck with limited spelling skills, just to massage ego's on a kids gaming site lol. You certainly can tell whom are the adults on the site though. Most wont go around correcting someone Else's posts and then pointing out the obvious lol.
starman7
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Overall, that whole thing is bullshit.  Europe needs to grow some balls (suprisingly, France is taking the lead in this sector), otherwise they will not learn until the Katyushas fall on Paris (I think I've said this before, though).  We cannot let a secular government bow down to the wishes of a few goddamned extremists.
mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
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<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Thanks, But again, Where is MY statement arrogant? You must have the definition of arrogance mixed up with logic. Because if you look at the statement, it sure seems logical to anyone reading it.
"This whole thing is Like the police asking the criminals themselves if its OK to raid there operations."
How is this statement not arrogant?
I asked first, So back up your original statement. I do not need to answer, you called it so, so you tell me HOW BY DEFINITION is it Arrogant? BTW, the Original post was not in my own words, Was barrowed up until about the part about Bush and clinton. But anyways, Back to the matter at hand, Answer my question please. Thanks.

Ever notice I act as i please to suit the moment or conversation? LOL Isn't the Internet wonderful? Its funny how you can make people believe you are an uneducated redneck with limited spelling skills, just to massage ego's on a kids gaming site lol. You certainly can tell whom are the adults on the site though. Most wont go around correcting someone Else's posts and then pointing out the obvious lol.
I guess you have never heard of speech marks? any one reading this will think that its written by you.
Anyway

" ADJECTIVE:

   1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
   2. Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others: an arrogant contempt for the weak. "

Source: http://education.yahoo.com/reference/di … y/arrogant
Another :http://www.selfknowledge.com/5904.htm

"The act or habit of arrogating, or making undue claims in an overbearing manner; that species of pride which consists in exorbitant claims of rank, dignity, estimation, or power, or which exalts the worth or importance of the person to an undue degree; proud contempt of others; lordliness; haughtiness; self-assumption; presumption."


The person who wrote this obviously thinks that all Muslims are criminals, which is supported by the quote i gave:

"This whole thing is Like the police asking the criminals themselves if its OK to raid there operations."

Judging a whole religion/race by the actions of a few is arrogance.

Was your second paragraph meant applied to me ?
<[onex]>Headstone
Member
+102|7094|New York
No it was a just an explanation as to why i push a point sometimes the way i do. I still don't see where the line your contesting implies the author(who is a fox host btw) is displaying arrogance. I don't see it as overbearing or intimidating, or contemptuous.
[RDH]Warlord
Quakecon Attendee
+17|7051|SLC, Utah, USA
I don't see much wrong with this.  It's really communication, or the lack of, between the Muslim community and the police that results in bad calls.  And again, it doesn't really sound like they'll ask for that panel will be asked for PERMISSION, but will be brought into the loop of terrorism prevention.  I mean, who'd know them more than themselves?

And as for that 14 people arrested weeks ago, that was all baloney.  I believe half of them didn't even have passports (which I hear take months to get), and the whole idea of liquid explosives is so far fetched that I doubt even a chemist with the know-how and equipment could have blown up a plane as the media made it sound.

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