What about children, wouldn't they be 'protected' if they had guns?
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Should schoolteachers carry guns?
| Yes | 18% | 18% - 39 | ||||
| No | 81% | 81% - 172 | ||||
| Total: 211 | ||||||
N.A.T.O wrote:
BigmacK wrote:
No. End of Story.
Single exits and locked doors are invitations for fire code violations.Winston_Churchill wrote:
No, I mean the school - as in the brick walls with the metal doors - should be locked at all times so that nobody without a key (or maybe only unlock after and before school) can get inside the actual building. I think this would be the most effective way to stop people from coming in with guns and other weapons without having metal detectors and the like.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Unlocked from the inside, you mean? Still not going to stop a kid from entering a playground through or over a fence.Winston_Churchill wrote:
I think the best solution would be that during school, for elementary and high schools, there should only be one door that is unlocked from the outside. If anyone needs to come in they need a key or has to enter through the front door where it would be easy to see if they have weapons etc... Even if it is a minor nuisance, I would prefer that to being shot.
Opinions?
Another thing that works, even though I don't like it, is uniforms. When there is someone from outside the school inside our school they stand out immidately in the crowd.
Like I said, these are not foolproof methods but they should provide more safety and security inside schools
Yeah i think every teacher should have an atom-bomb
As a parent AND a Gun owner I Second that motion!!! +1Crash727 wrote:
Perhaps PARENTS should do a better job of securing their weapons!!!!
No they cant, But they can go behind one and pay $50 and get one pretty easily. Its the idiots who dint lock there shit up and get them stolen that end up having there guns used in crimes like this. Not that i do this(because i have all Legal guns, But i can get just about anything on the south side for about $50 from the corner crack head.Crash727 wrote:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html
OMG!!! 37 occurances involving children. You can't tell me most of them could have been prevented had the parents done something about keeping these guns locked up. It's not like a 15-year old can go down to the local gun shop and pick up a Colt .357.
So its ALL gun owners responsibility to keep there weapons secure.
That is perhaps one of the more moronic ideas I've heard this week. More guns in schools will help prevent shootings, and it won't at all encourage pupils to steal teachers' guns and cause any more shit, uh huh...
But then I've seen someone carrying a gun ONCE, EVER; in another country...a customs officer at Brisbane airport...our cops only just got tasers.
But then I've seen someone carrying a gun ONCE, EVER; in another country...a customs officer at Brisbane airport...our cops only just got tasers.
Last edited by Pubic (2006-10-06 04:08:02)
What if the teacher goes crazy?
Last time I checked, teachers were there to teach. So, no. Unless by some strange coincidence, you have a class on firearm safety.
FFS Answer the question instead of bringing up this same lame ass argument. We have the Privilege to bear arms so lets deal with that OK? Now the question was, "Should teachers be allowed to carry guns" Yes or No. Yee fucking Ha that your country doesn't have that privilege, But we do, and Some of us Cherish that right, not just for the purpose of defense. I Hunt to supplement for what i cant afford in Beef during the winter months. So this Privilege is very Important to me personally!HammerID wrote:
It is interesting that you bring up rights that apply to adults and not children. Removing the 2nd amendment will not stop violence from happening. Even in countries where guns are banned, there is still violence.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Another preventative measure would be to not have the right to bear arms written into the constitution.
But I come from a country where that's not the case and I can't remember the last time some kid shot their classmates in this country, so what would I know.
I did not agree that arming teachers is a good idea, so I voted no. I lean more towards what IRONCHEF commented on. It all starts in the home and how you raise a child will determine a to a large extent how they act in society. Also learning is a two part street. The student has to want to learn and the teacher has to want to teach the material to the student. If you put armed guards wandering the halls it will reduce the effectiveness of the teaching process.
I have four boys and I actively hunt and fish. My boys love to go fishing and just last year I started teaching my oldest boy, who is eight, ho to shoot his air rifle. Yes, he has an air rifle and he knows it is kept with dad's guns locked up and out of reach.
I live in a rural area, population around 50K in my city. There has never been much violent crime until this year. Three officers were shot while trying to issue a warrant. That doesn't sound out of the ordinary, but this criminal lived right down the hill from me. It makes one realize that people who are capable of violent acts are all around us. Now I am considering apply for my concealed carry permit. Some people disagree, but if I am out with my family and the situation presents itself where I have to defend my family I want to be ready. That is what the 2nd amendment guarantees me and a US citizen.
I think that parents should be held more actively involved with their children's lives instead of relying on the public works systems to raise them. That in is the problem. Lack of accountability for parents.
adding more guns wont solve anythingGermanLegionaire wrote:
N.A.T.O wrote:
BigmacK wrote:
No. End of Story.
well i understand where everyone is at on this but if you have a metal detector and guards and say you find a weapon ..... what are you going to do then ok the kid beeped are you going to radio for backup or try to take it away from them cause now they are inside the school and have a gun and the only thing that just happened is know you know he's armed and your not..... so wtf do you do grab him .....there is no good solution to this problem you cant really prevent someone willing to die to kill you or someone you know......
I watched the representative from Wisconsin this morning and his reason is that Israel and Thailand arm their teachers. Well at least in Israel everyone upon turning the age of 18 in Israel is required to join the military. So all the teachers would already have military training. Can you imagine 64 yr. old Mrs Thomson packing a .357 Magnum. I can't.
I voted no. I remember my teachers from high school and there's no way I would want them to be carrying. And that was 10+ years ago.
Exactly my point.BF2Craglyeye wrote:
But violence in general will happen.HammerID wrote:
It is interesting that you bring up rights that apply to adults and not children. Removing the 2nd amendment will not stop violence from happening. Even in countries where guns are banned, there is still violence.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Another preventative measure would be to not have the right to bear arms written into the constitution.
But I come from a country where that's not the case and I can't remember the last time some kid shot their classmates in this country, so what would I know.
What we are talking about is GUN RELATED VIOLENCE, look up the stats, a country with gun control is more likely to have lesser numbers than a country without it. Coincedence I think not.
But it's not a "lame ass argument" - the data on gun-related crime clearly shows that you get greater levels of gun-crime (commited by those of all age groups) in countries/areas in which access to fire-arms is easier, than in those where it isn't.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
FFS Answer the question instead of bringing up this same lame ass argument. We have the Privilege to bear arms so lets deal with that OK? Now the question was, "Should teachers be allowed to carry guns" Yes or No. Yee fucking Ha that your country doesn't have that privilege, But we do, and Some of us Cherish that right, not just for the purpose of defense. I Hunt to supplement for what i cant afford in Beef during the winter months. So this Privilege is very Important to me personally!
I'm not saying that you shouldn't be allowed to go out hunting to feed you family - of course, where neccessary that should be allowed - but having 'the right to bear arms' enshrined in your constitution has clearly encouraged a 'gun culture' within the US and it is this that is the root cause for the high level of gun crime (amongst all age groups) in your country.
Maybe that would be a good idea, you could make it a requirement for owning a gun.aardfrith wrote:
Last time I checked, teachers were there to teach. So, no. Unless by some strange coincidence, you have a class on firearm safety.
lets see no.
How is the solution for this giving more guns to more people?
If you removed the rights to bear arms you wouldn't have anywhere near as many gun crimes in America as you do.
'Violent crimes will still happen' most of you say, YES, there is nothing anything can do about that.
Violence exists, period. It always will.
However, without guns less children will walk into their school to just go on a killing spree. Hearing about having to have metal detecters in schools in America makes me sick. In England, that's simply not needed.
Owning handguns here is illegal. Coincidence?
People can still access firearms where guns are illegal, yes that's valid. BUT, how many are going to have them? A tiny minority, and when kids can't get easy access to a weapon, shootings just aren't going to happen.
If you removed the rights to bear arms you wouldn't have anywhere near as many gun crimes in America as you do.
'Violent crimes will still happen' most of you say, YES, there is nothing anything can do about that.
Violence exists, period. It always will.
However, without guns less children will walk into their school to just go on a killing spree. Hearing about having to have metal detecters in schools in America makes me sick. In England, that's simply not needed.
Owning handguns here is illegal. Coincidence?
People can still access firearms where guns are illegal, yes that's valid. BUT, how many are going to have them? A tiny minority, and when kids can't get easy access to a weapon, shootings just aren't going to happen.
I am just going to respond to both here, killing two birds with one stone so to speak. = )Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Exactly my point.BF2Craglyeye wrote:
But violence in general will happen.HammerID wrote:
It is interesting that you bring up rights that apply to adults and not children. Removing the 2nd amendment will not stop violence from happening. Even in countries where guns are banned, there is still violence.
What we are talking about is GUN RELATED VIOLENCE, look up the stats, a country with gun control is more likely to have lesser numbers than a country without it. Coincidence I think not.But it's not a "lame ass argument" - the data on gun-related crime clearly shows that you get greater levels of gun-crime (commited by those of all age groups) in countries/areas in which access to fire-arms is easier, than in those where it isn't.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
FFS Answer the question instead of bringing up this same lame ass argument. We have the Privilege to bear arms so lets deal with that OK? Now the question was, "Should teachers be allowed to carry guns" Yes or No. Yee fucking Ha that your country doesn't have that privilege, But we do, and Some of us Cherish that right, not just for the purpose of defense. I Hunt to supplement for what i cant afford in Beef during the winter months. So this Privilege is very Important to me personally!
I'm not saying that you shouldn't be allowed to go out hunting to feed you family - of course, where neccessary that should be allowed - but having 'the right to bear arms' enshrined in your constitution has clearly encouraged a 'gun culture' within the US and it is this that is the root cause for the high level of gun crime (amongst all age groups) in your country.
Gun related violence, while gruesome and horrible, is still the fault of the person standing behind the gun. I did manage to find a few items. This link show 2005 aggravated assault in the us http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offenses/expanded_information/data/agassaulttable.html
Interesting to note that hands/feet are used more than guns. If you look around that site you can find 2004 statistics. Guns used as the weapons type did increase 1.7%, but in years prior to 2004 it was lower. Small fluctuations are going to happen. As the average over several years the crime rate, with all types of weapons not just guns, is dropping not raising.
While I couldn't find much information on Britain's crime rates, I am at work and lunch is almost over, I did find what was the "last straw" and prompted Britain's to ban all guns. The draconian gun ban in 1997 was from a school shooting, but has it made Britain more safe since? Several web pages that google turned up were from reports that could be questioned so i will not post them. All of them have said the same common point, that crime is rising in Britain not getting better. Coincidence I think not (couldn't help but use your wording!)
<[onex]>Headstone, I am not sure if that was directed all at me. I did vote, it is in paragraph two. I voted no. While there is a place and time to enjoy shooting/hunting a school is NOT the place to do that.
Scorpion0x17, I must disagree that having the 2nd amendment is the root cause of gun violence. I read in a stat somewhere while researching that 80% of guns used in gun related crimes were acquired illegally. The concept behind the 2nd amendment was to guarantee the populace that when tyrannical government were ever to evolve that we had the means to replace them and instill a new government. Just like what happened back in 1776. Since that time guns and hunting have become our heritage. It is an activity that a majority of US citizens participate in.
As in my original post, I think the answer is with better rearing of children in the home. I would even venture a guess as moral decay having a greater impact on violent gun crime than the 2nd amendment.
Aargh, listen!! I said that the doors should be locked so that they cannot be opened from the outside, but can be on the insideunnamednewbie13 wrote:
Single exits and locked doors are invitations for fire code violations.
BTW Another good idea I saw at a school recently was doors that were every 40 feet or so which could be closed remotely. This allows the school to be totally locked down and traps the inrtuder in an area. This would work well if it was a Columbine situation where the shooters are roaming the school, searching for people.
Last edited by Winston_Churchill (2006-10-06 14:36:37)
I think you meant to say: "...so that they cannot be opened from the outside, ..."Winston_Churchill wrote:
Aargh, listen!! I said that the doors should be locked so that they cannot be opened from the inside, but can be on the inside
I think that may be a fire code violation in the US. If a fire fighter is responding and can't open the door from the outside, that's a problem. Besides, I don't think locking down the school like that is the answer. I don't know what the answer is.
It seems, I could be wrong here, a lot for these shootings with a kid being the shooter, involves kids who had been mistreated by their peers. Insert random sarcastic "DUH" here. Perhaps the answer is for these kids to treat each other better. It could be as simple as that. Perhaps schools shoud be teaching the "Golden Rule" more often and at a younger age. "Treat others as you want to be treated." How hard is that?!? Seriously.
In the meantime, since I live near a high school, I think I may go down to my ANG base and pull my kevlar out of inventory. It may not stop a bullet completely, but I will have a better chance than others at survival.
Ya thanks I fixed it.Crash727 wrote:
I think you meant to say: "...so that they cannot be opened from the outside, ..."
When I say these doors are locked I mean that they can be controlled by some electronic program or a teacher or administrator can open it. This would help prevent, not completely prevent, people from entering the school.Crash727 wrote:
I think that may be a fire code violation in the US. If a fire fighter is responding and can't open the door from the outside, that's a problem.
Again, this is not a foolproof solution, it is meant to help if their is a problem. This way less people are in danger if someone is trapped in an area of the school. Also, if everyone is behind a locked door they will be totally safe. If you watched the Mythbusters episode where they attempted to shoot locks off a door you would know it is impossible unless you had a shotgun or a high powered rifle.Crash727 wrote:
Besides, I don't think locking down the school like that is the answer. I don't know what the answer is.
These solutions are only suggestions that are open to change and are not supposed to be perfect. If you wanted the school to be perfectly safe you would have metal detectors, hard object scanners, bomb sniffing dogs, fingerprint/DNA/retinal scans at the doors, but that would be overkill.
wow
lol im not even dignify this with an answer
enemy school teacher spotted!