Too many unlocks!!!

2006-10-12 13:24:05

#1

Sh4rkb1t3: Member; +6|7126

The BF2 unlock system was perfect. The only thing you got for an unlock was a new weapon that was not nessesarily better than the stock weapon. It just gave you a new way of playing the game. You couldn't just win the game and beat everyone out just by having more unlocks than them.

Now, you have to unlock EVERYTHING. Yes, even the content that you got for free in BF2, you now have to unlock. Examples: C4, Claymores, Grenades, Shock Paddles, Mines, GL, etc. Now I can't play with all the stuff I had in BF2 unless I play for about 1000 hours. No thanks. I shouldn't have to play that long to get all the same shit I had in the last game.

Sure, there are about 5 new things. But what if I just want to have the stuff I had in the last game?

Now, you are pretty much stuck playing one class. Unless you fully upgrade one class 6 times (this gets you all the stuff you had in BF2), then you will be a gimp. Your guy will be a piece of shit. It will be impossible for newbies to get into the game, since they will have nothing, and the pros will have everything.

Vehicles have a huge advantage now, even bigger than in BF2. Where did the C4 go? Where did the AT mines go? Gone for everyone who didn't unlock them. Now we are forced to use the shitty AT rocket launcher to get kills, and that thing is uselsss.

My solution is to give everyone every piece of equipment that they had in BF2. For example, all recons can have C4, all assaults can have a GL, etc. The things that you can unlock only slightly help you, but things you didn't get in the last game.

The sprint boosters were good ideas. More unlocks like that would be better. Maybe there should be a "no armor" unlock that increases your accuracy and speed, but decreases your health. Some things that don't help you that much, or things that let you play the game in a completely different way should be added.

2006-10-12 13:26:24

#2

Hurricane: Banned; +1,153|7072|Washington, DC

The only flaw in BF2's unlock system was the G36E. No skill needed to do well with it. At all. Shit i could aim it at the floor and kill someone in another server.

2006-10-12 13:28:17

#3

Superior Mind: (not macbeth); +1,755|7134

if u want the tools of BF2, play BF2...dur

Last edited by Superior Mind (2006-10-12 13:28:44)

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2006-10-12 13:36:32

#4

-GR33NS-: Member; +10|6942|KILLA KALI

I have noticed that the people that bitch & complain about the G36E are the ones that get owned too much by it or don't know how to aim. Sad, but true. Other than that, if it's too easy to kill with; why not use it? If it was that easy to get kills by aiming on the floor; shit I would OWN! in every server. Duhh.

2006-10-12 13:38:58

#5

Knochenmann_AUT: Member; +1|7168

These are the things, whitch were free in bf2 and are not free in 2143

Defibrilator
RDX
Anti Personal Mine
Anti Tank Mine
Smoke Granade
Nades
+ 1 Nade (so you have 3, some like in BF 2)

Exakt: 10 unlocks

To get 10 unlocks, you need 1575 points, thats (with 2,5 spm) 630 min or 10,5 h. play time - a lazy sunday afternoon.

And at that point, you will have the exactly same stuff like in BF2. And than, there will be no more reason to complain.

2006-10-12 16:40:06

#6

zeidmaan: Member; +234|6857|Vienna

Every noob can get 500 points easy which is enough to unlock 2 abillities (must have) and one side of the tree

If you want you can than create another soldier and start from the beggining and unlock another kit.

Than you can create another soldier and play for few hours and unlock another kit.

Than you can create ANOTHER soldier and unlock another kit. etc etc.

2006-10-12 16:52:46

#7

Sh4rkb1t3: Member; +6|7126

Knochenmann_AUT wrote:
These are the things, whitch were free in bf2 and are not free in 2143

Defibrilator
RDX
Anti Personal Mine
Anti Tank Mine
Smoke Granade
Nades
+ 1 Nade (so you have 3, some like in BF 2)

Exakt: 10 unlocks

To get 10 unlocks, you need 1575 points, thats (with 2,5 spm) 630 min or 10,5 h. play time - a lazy sunday afternoon.

And at that point, you will have the exactly same stuff like in BF2. And than, there will be no more reason to complain.

Yes but you have to go unlocking all the other useless shit to get to this stuff... which is even longer. Probably about 20 hours. You are also forgetting the vehicle auto resupply/heal/repair stuff.

Last edited by Sh4rkb1t3 (2006-10-12 16:53:35)

2006-10-12 16:57:40

#8

-TL-: Srs lurker; +25|6934|Oklahoma City

And a 2.5 spm in 2142 is equal to a 5.0 spm in '2 isn't it?

2006-10-12 16:58:32

#9

stryyker: bad touch; +1,682|7162|California

I like having to work for things, rather than being given shit from the get go

2006-10-12 16:58:51

#10

Fr0zenFoxFire: Member; +0|6849

no the whole point is .. in this game, they encourage specialization

2006-10-12 17:25:48

#11

Doctor Strangelove: Real Battlefield Veterinarian.; +1,758|6910

Maybe if you didn't suck you would unlock more things. And for all you people who say everything is half well remeber: Kills when near your squad leader get one extra point, kills on titans get you one extra point and getting awards gives you bonus points. That should fill in alot so so should gain points at 0.8 your BF2 speed. And the whole unlock system will force people to co-operate more, talk with eacjother to work-out which unlocks will help the squad the best in such a stiuation.

2006-10-12 17:40:33

#12

Fallschirmjager10: Member; +36|6902

Btw there is 40 unlocks in 2142, i dont see how there is 5 new things as the user stated.

2006-10-12 17:50:29

#13

starman7: Member; +15|7166

Vehicles overpowered? Are you nuts? The stationary guns are uber in this game, the AT missiles aren't half-bad, the vehicles have been overall nerfed in comparison to BF 2, and once you hit a few unlocks, you will be able to destroy enemy vehicles left and right. Battlewalker killing everything? Active camo + C-7, or EMP mine + a rocket up the ***. Or sniping it from range with the Koenig H-AVR. And with the PDS-1, no vehicle can sneak up to you.

And yes, it shouldn't take too long to get your unlocks, so long as you specialize. And don't forget, there will be newbie servers, where there won't be any Supreme Commanders walking around killing everything in sight.

And do you know what all these former base-kit items as unlocks force you to do? Specialize. If you want to be the squad medic, get the advanced med-hub, defib, and smoke grenades. If you want to ambush battlewalkers, go engy with EMP mines, Koenig H-AVR, and PDS-1 (not that you'll need it to spot a walking building). If you plan to be a battlewalker whore, plant said PDS-1 on your battlewalker, get the advanced repair tool, and all that fun stuff.

EDIT: minor grammar

Last edited by starman7 (2006-10-12 17:51:08)

2006-10-12 19:23:15

#14

SlyFox: Member; +4|7102|Australia, Adelaide

Nothing is constant in EAs world of major patch change ups; don't bother.

2006-10-12 19:27:58

#15

Spearhead: Gulf coast redneck hippy; +731|7132|Tampa Bay Florida

Superior Mind wrote:
if u want the tools of BF2, play BF2...dur

qfe

2006-10-12 22:18:47

#16

Knochenmann_AUT: Member; +1|7168

-TL- wrote:
And a 2.5 spm in 2142 is equal to a 5.0 spm in '2 isn't it?

Don't know. 2.5 is just my averige score in the demo.

2006-10-12 22:29:30

#17

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|7216|Noizyland

People will always, ALWAYS find things to complain about. I'm honestly getting fucking sick of all this bullshit. If you don't like something trivial something which perhaps you can get over, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF!

You don't understand that your ideal soloution will probably piss off another group of people, and their alterations would piss off another group of people, in this way you get patch after patch of complaints with nothing being done about the things that matter. Everyone sees and plays te game in a differen way, if you don't like the gameplay as it stands, don't play it! Just do not play it because you'll never have it perfect for your style of play. Just adapt or piss off.

[Blinking eyes thing]
Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/tzyon

2006-10-12 22:45:43

#18

Dex Luther: Member; +32|6880|Canukastan

Ty wrote:
People will always, ALWAYS find things to complain about. I'm honestly getting fucking sick of all this bullshit. If you don't like something trivial something which perhaps you can get over, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF!

You don't understand that your ideal soloution will probably piss off another group of people, and their alterations would piss off another group of people, in this way you get patch after patch of complaints with nothing being done about the things that matter. Everyone sees and plays te game in a differen way, if you don't like the gameplay as it stands, don't play it! Just do not play it because you'll never have it perfect for your style of play. Just adapt or piss off.

Especially when changing it would defeat it's whole purpose for being there.

As other's have said; the unlock system is the way it is to encourage specialization. Changing it to the way is it is BF2 defeats it's whole purpose.

PS: there already is a no armor option. Click on Customize and uncheck the "heavy armor." Your sprint meter will go up. I don't know why wearing no armor would make you more accurate, but then again... you said there were too many unlocks.

2006-10-13 05:14:11

#19

AnarkyXtra: BF2s EU Server Admin; +67|7229|Hanging onto the UAV

Sh4rkb1t3 wrote:
Yes but you have to go unlocking all the other useless shit to get to this stuff... which is even longer. Probably about 20 hours. You are also forgetting the vehicle auto resupply/heal/repair stuff.

You're complaining about 20 hours' worth of play? Srsly. Bedtime now. Night night.

2006-10-13 08:05:53

#20

uberdoc: Member; +3|6858|California

Too many unlocks? Don't forget that we have 7 classes in BF2 and only 3 in BF2142. How to distiguish between them? Add more unlocks. Like many people say: specialization is the key to survival.

2006-10-13 08:07:43

#21

RDMC: Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!; +736|7007|Area 51

Hurricane wrote:
The only flaw in BF2's unlock system was the G36E. No skill needed to do well with it. At all. Shit i could aim it at the floor and kill someone in another server.

Lol!!

2006-10-13 08:10:50

#22

RDMC: Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!; +736|7007|Area 51

uberdoc wrote:
Too many unlocks? Don't forget that we have 7 classes in BF2 and only 3 in BF2142. How to distiguish between them? Add more unlocks. Like many people say: specialization is the key to survival.

Pssst..There are 4 kits..

2006-10-13 08:11:02

#23

Doctor Strangelove: Real Battlefield Veterinarian.; +1,758|6910

uberdoc wrote:
Too many unlocks? Don't forget that we have 7 classes in BF2 and only 3 in BF2142. How to distiguish between them? Add more unlocks. Like many people say: specialization is the key to survival.

While I agree with you I also need to point out that there are four classes. Support, Assualt, Engineer and Recon.

2006-10-13 08:12:05

#24

uberdoc: Member; +3|6858|California

Ahh I forgot to mention support, sorry

2006-10-13 09:22:03

#25

Lt_Rapt0r: Member; +10|6865

Ty wrote:
People will always, ALWAYS find things to complain about. I'm honestly getting fucking sick of all this bullshit. If you don't like something trivial something which perhaps you can get over, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF!

You don't understand that your ideal soloution will probably piss off another group of people, and their alterations would piss off another group of people, in this way you get patch after patch of complaints with nothing being done about the things that matter. Everyone sees and plays te game in a differen way, if you don't like the gameplay as it stands, don't play it! Just do not play it because you'll never have it perfect for your style of play. Just adapt or piss off.

Could you please buy off EA??? and put yourself encharged??

I dont seem to understand why I am playing the demo and i am having fun and i always seem to find on every forum i go, that certain group that just seem to hate everything EA makes... tell me one thing WTF are you still playing the game?!?!

I would say this, i was disapointed in the demo cause there were no unlocks, but i was a beta tester and those unlocks rock!!! and this way not everyone can run around and spam nades, if they want to, they need to use an unlock for it. I cant think of another more perfect of balancing out the kits.

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Knochenmann_AUT wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

-TL- wrote:

Ty wrote:

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Hurricane wrote:

uberdoc wrote:

uberdoc wrote:

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