i love it how people say there are no rules to war, there is btw, eg no chemical weapons, torturing prisoners etc
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Wow, I think this is one of the most coherent arguements I've seen on here in a long time. I'm glad you pointed out that there is a distinction between base-raping and base-raiding. I should have stated in my OP that the scenarios where attacking uncaps should be allowed fall under the category of base-raiding as you described it. I never attack an uncap for purposes of stat padding or spawn killing. There's always a strategic purpose. I wish I would have stated this originally. Anyway, good points. +1 for you.OpsChief wrote:
Your first para is a +1 all the way but the last sentence blurred the lines again -1. Baserape (raiding) is not the same as statpadding.SargeV1.4 wrote:
I love it how people suit their opinions to the situation: If they get their ass handed to them by a better player, they say "oh well at least I just play for fun." If they're on top of the boards it's all about how good they are. If people want more realism, they get told to fuck off because "it's just a game." and when it's about baseraping, you can all fall back on your "it's war, live with it".JeeSqwat wrote:
no rules to war...thats how it should be played..killl anyway how or be killed
Seriously, fuck off. Baseraping is nothing but a cheap, skilless way to get lots of kills. No matter how you put it.
What kills?
Usually base raids knock out the assets, steal a tank or helo and go back into the flank or rear of the enemy forces in the main battle area or take up a position to interdict the flow of enemy reinforcements to the front. Don't confuse forms of stat padding with strategic play, there is a big difference. Sometimes the enemy has played poorly and has only their uncap and maybe another flag somewhere.
The worst case is maybe something like a USMC helo in say Sharqi who goes to keep the MEC helo out of the air while the ground forces fight it out. Even that backfires if the USMC is getting pwned on the ground. His team might vote him out because he is hindering team efforts.
So why have a rule against the few rapers that keeps legit strategic players from using the Arts of War?
It sure beats sitting around with your thumb up your ass when you got all the flags. I play to WIN, if we have all the flags why would I purposely let the enemy coordinate an attack from the carrier? Screw that, I'm going in there by any means necessary, ground all their aircraft, dont let them off that f'ing boat. I'm not letting some blackhawk sneak behind everyone and cap a back flag, use the friggin turrets if you're getting air raped. Face it, some rounds your team will just suck and you're gonna get owned. It happens to me too, I dont whine about it. Spawn on the bottom and make your way to a carrier gun, dont just sit there like an idiot on the deck waiting for your f35 to spawn.SargeV1.4 wrote:
hmm yeah "it's war". Bullshit, you just want free kills.
Alright, I'll remember that the next time I see you on BF2.turkeybacon wrote:
Its also very annoying when I get killed. There should be a rule where you cant kill me, because I find it very annoying.ryan_14 wrote:
Because it's very annoying when you spawn and get killed. You can't even get out of your uncap without dying. The round ends and the camping team wins.
Why is everyone assuming the "lets keep them in their base so we can win" scenario?
two things:
1: Barely anybody cares about winning. They care about their score and KD.
2: the majority of the time baseraping is not to keep people in their bases, it's to improve someone's score. And almost always the baserapees team do have flags.
two things:
1: Barely anybody cares about winning. They care about their score and KD.
2: the majority of the time baseraping is not to keep people in their bases, it's to improve someone's score. And almost always the baserapees team do have flags.
sarge play on that account get back on that leaderboardSargeV1.4 wrote:
Why is everyone assuming the "lets keep them in their base so we can win" scenario?
two things:
1: Barely anybody cares about winning. They care about their score and KD.
2: the majority of the time baseraping is not to keep people in their bases, it's to improve someone's score. And almost always the baserapees team do have flags.
Rock Sarge V1.5
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I care about winningSargeV1.4 wrote:
Why is everyone assuming the "lets keep them in their base so we can win" scenario?
two things:
1: Barely anybody cares about winning. They care about their score and KD.
2: the majority of the time baseraping is not to keep people in their bases, it's to improve someone's score. And almost always the baserapees team do have flags.
The only time I'll attack a base, is when its strategically important. Most of the time this falls in the "when you have all the flags" category, but not always. I dont like servers telling me their made up rules on how to play. For example, if the MEC chopper keeps pounding me at the TV station, I'll make it my duty to do the same. Or if we're slightly losing and I think I could help my team by stealing their chopper, I will do it. Every single round I play to win, and I'm disappointed when we dont. I dont care much about KD, score is important but winning is more important (you double whatever score you got).
mm.. we're not even called Rock anymore so playing on that account would be pointless.. I'm waiting for it to drop off the leaderboards.
I'm going to try to do it on Dalian this time, that'll make it more of a challenge instead of 10 hours of boredom.
I'm going to try to do it on Dalian this time, that'll make it more of a challenge instead of 10 hours of boredom.
Heres what I don't understand about baseraping rules.....
MOST of the servers I play on have a rule along the lines of "No attacking the Uncap unless your team holds ALL the flags".
Am I the only person who realizes that this is by far the WORST way to deal with baserape ever? If you want to minimize the effects of baserape (In the unfortunate event you're a pussy) then ban it when your team holds all the flags, and allow it when the other team has other flags. It makes NO SENSE to allow it when that's the ONLY place they can spawn. At least if the other team has another flag they can get away from the spawnkills. Such a backwards rule.
MOST of the servers I play on have a rule along the lines of "No attacking the Uncap unless your team holds ALL the flags".
Am I the only person who realizes that this is by far the WORST way to deal with baserape ever? If you want to minimize the effects of baserape (In the unfortunate event you're a pussy) then ban it when your team holds all the flags, and allow it when the other team has other flags. It makes NO SENSE to allow it when that's the ONLY place they can spawn. At least if the other team has another flag they can get away from the spawnkills. Such a backwards rule.
Attacking uncaps is a perfectly valid tactic. All those TOW emplacements and machine guns aren't there to look good. Most of the time, the team with the uncap has the advantage on that map, so you really don't have an excuse if you're getting raped.
I don't really care what people say. I will base rape and spawn camp whether the kiddies like it or not. If you don't like to be raped then go play ms. pacman and stop whining about it on a forum. I repeat, the person crying in this thread about base raping sucks with a weapon in his hand so....
as mys server runs alot dragon valley, we have no base rape because....
the J10 against the F35B is already overpowerd
to prevend people to join our server that only want to base rape with J10 = easy points (even if USMC owns 95% off flags they just continue baseraping)
i noticed when USMC camps a last flag for a long time the round after half china disconects, vice virsa would happen if China rapes USMC every round.
but then infantry is alowed on the carrier.
the J10 against the F35B is already overpowerd
to prevend people to join our server that only want to base rape with J10 = easy points (even if USMC owns 95% off flags they just continue baseraping)
i noticed when USMC camps a last flag for a long time the round after half china disconects, vice virsa would happen if China rapes USMC every round.
but then infantry is alowed on the carrier.
i just sit near an uncap and keep picking them off.
most of the time it's like fish in a barrel.
sitting on the carrier with a sniper rifle is always a good time.
most of the time it's like fish in a barrel.
sitting on the carrier with a sniper rifle is always a good time.
I'm gonna bypass that no skill argument by saying I baserape to make people miserable, I love making people miserable.
rules are meant to be brokenfatherted13 wrote:
i love it how people say there are no rules to war, there is btw, eg no chemical weapons, torturing prisoners etc
Quote of the day .....:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
because there fairies.
If you think the defences in a uncap are so good, lets see how you feel when 2 tanks and 3 apcs roll in kill everyone hammer the TOW and sit there, all engineers, you chances or doing anything other than die are sweet FA. spawn as AT, you dead before you can even switch to the AT missile.
There are reasons we have this rule, its about having fun not getting muppets good KD ratio's.
If you don't like it don't play on my server!, Simple!.
We do allow people in the uncaps, but they have to have at least 1 spec opps, and a primary mission of distroying assets, if they choose to use the chopper/jet to exit the uncap then fare enough!.
People slate people for complaining about bad admins etc etc, how many times can this subject be raised before these people get flamed.
Come on guys, hell you play on servers you like and we will play on ones we like.
There are reasons we have this rule, its about having fun not getting muppets good KD ratio's.
If you don't like it don't play on my server!, Simple!.
We do allow people in the uncaps, but they have to have at least 1 spec opps, and a primary mission of distroying assets, if they choose to use the chopper/jet to exit the uncap then fare enough!.
People slate people for complaining about bad admins etc etc, how many times can this subject be raised before these people get flamed.
Come on guys, hell you play on servers you like and we will play on ones we like.
so, nice stats you got. did you earn them in a fair competition or by spawncamping and bombing the carrier on wake and stuff? you might have a better aiming, but you lack in so many social skills...killer21 wrote:
I don't really care what people say. I will base rape and spawn camp whether the kiddies like it or not. If you don't like to be raped then go play ms. pacman and stop whining about it on a forum. I repeat, the person crying in this thread about base raping sucks with a weapon in his hand so....
I'm glad i don't play bf2 anymore with all the bullshit over baseraping.
I,like many people have been spawncamped.I didn't enjoy iy.I called the guy names because it makes me feel better.And then later i spawnraped in a j10 on Wake.i enjoyed it.
Like i said in other threads,disconnect as soon as the server message says baseraping is allowed,that usually works...
I,like many people have been spawncamped.I didn't enjoy iy.I called the guy names because it makes me feel better.And then later i spawnraped in a j10 on Wake.i enjoyed it.
Like i said in other threads,disconnect as soon as the server message says baseraping is allowed,that usually works...
patton i dont condone your use of improper grammar it is "becasue they're fairies"..:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
because there fairies.
I'm an admin on a server that enforces the rules of no entering an uncap. I understand your arguments mindbullets, but you said that it would be ok to attack thoes bases as long as you don't spawn camp. No offence, but I don't see how you can attack a spawn and not call it spawncamping.
I enforce these rules because more than 90% of the people who enter these uncaps go in with the intent to go kill everyone that they can before they die. If they would just sit back at the first flag and still have that attitude, I feel the game flows much better and less people are happy.
When there are people in the uncaps, just about everyone on the uncap's team gets angry, where if you deny the entry, then one or two people on the other team get angry.
Either way, it's a prefrence, and if you don't like a server, well there's about 5000 others. I'm sure you'll find one you'll like.
I enforce these rules because more than 90% of the people who enter these uncaps go in with the intent to go kill everyone that they can before they die. If they would just sit back at the first flag and still have that attitude, I feel the game flows much better and less people are happy.
When there are people in the uncaps, just about everyone on the uncap's team gets angry, where if you deny the entry, then one or two people on the other team get angry.
Either way, it's a prefrence, and if you don't like a server, well there's about 5000 others. I'm sure you'll find one you'll like.
RockHead Ghost Town is an extremely popular server BECAUSE noncaps are protected. So its a noob server? Call it what you will, but because the admins enforce that rule, noobs can come and play, you can "rape" them at cappable flags anyway, and they STICK AROUND TO GET PWND SOME MORE. Wounldn't you rather have that???? I sure do.
We were all noobs once. You want noobs to stick around; keep the servers full of easy targets. And its much more fun killing them with skill anyway. Basically, ton more benefits to protecting noncaps than allowing baseraping.
We were all noobs once. You want noobs to stick around; keep the servers full of easy targets. And its much more fun killing them with skill anyway. Basically, ton more benefits to protecting noncaps than allowing baseraping.
what a load of shit,if you sit back you have to wait for them to fight over that precious tank then wait another ten minutes for them to attack you. ever heard of "a good defense is a good offense"?that means attack before attacked.if the game was meant to not attack uncaps dice would have coded it that way. and i dont see how it is a spawn rape thing cause half the time you spawn then run for a vehicle,get in the vehicle then die.you doint spawn in the vehicle so if you die in the vehicle thats not your spawn.the red circle doenst meen its a "spawn point", rather a control point that cant be captured. Just because it cant be "captured doesnt mean it is of no strategic value. That is where the most valued assets of the game are, so to deprive a team of those assets holds an extrememly large STRATEGIC value. I have been kicked for bombing the uav,come on wtf. And to those that say only a spec ops can enter to blow the commander assets what about the medic to give him health or the suppoprt to give more c4,or the at to blow the pussy commander just sitting there protecting it with his teams only tank?It is lame to forbid the game to be played the way dice "MEANT" for it to be played,and if i get kicked i dont come back. I have been kicked for more annoying things then that like killing an admin,so whatever.URE_DED wrote:
Basically, ton more benefits to protecting noncaps than allowing baseraping.
just my $0.02
so you know, how dice planned the game to be played? lol...that´s bullshit. the developer couldn´t forecast all those lame ways of playing and always had to reconsider and patch things, so that the game keeps on being enjoyable.nlsme wrote:
the game to be played the way dice "MEANT" for it to be played
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