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2006-11-05 03:49:40
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6966|Adelaide, South Australia

if the OP didn't only aim the remembrance at American soldiers that were killed, then this wouldn't have been such a flame war.

many people need to realize that this is a multi-racial forum, and any post about one particular country/race/religion will be met with flames from all directions.

if ATG had maybe posted one graveyard pic for/from each Allied country then i doubt this would have happened.

America isn't the only country to remember people lost in wars on the 11th of November.

LEST WE FORGET any who were lost. from any country.

TBH, i blame the Serbians who started WWI.

Last edited by Fenris_GreyClaw (2006-11-05 03:50:03)

2006-11-05 03:58:45
legionair
back to i-life
+336|7069|EU

I don't wanna insult anybody, but are you really all Americans so stupid? Only thanks to WWII you became so powerful.

You and "allies" sold Czechoslovakia to Hitler, you really didn't care about occupation of Baltic States and part of Finland by Soviet Union.

My uncle (rest in peace) fought on German side, because of mobilization, his neighbor- best friend fought on Russian side, because of mobilization. Both were fighting for Latvia!

Part of my family was deported to Siberia after war because of this.

Latvian and Lithuanian partizan's fought till 1955, they were waiting for your help? Where was you?

What I wanna to say is, that I will salute to everybody who didn't return from war, but fought for his country. For me and a lot of other people, the end of WWII doesn't mean the end of pain, it was just next occupation for 50 years, 50 years of fear, lies and terror!

P.S- read the books!
P.SII- we DO NOT owe you anything!!!
2006-11-05 04:38:00
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6937|Menlo Park, CA

CameronPoe wrote:

LOL. No disrespect to the fallen but Iraq will not be looked upon like WWII. It will be looked upon like Vietnam. A farcical misadventure that wasted many American lives.
Cameron your right this war will not be looked upon as stoic as WWII. . .

However, the Iraq war will not go down as another Vietnam, not even close. . . .

Americans may not completely agree with this war, but they certainly arent comparing it to the misadventure that was Vietnam.  Vietnam is a scar that has reletively healed in our country.  The left would love a comparison to Vietnam, so it can muster more anti-Bush retoric.  But the average "Joe" walking the street knows that 3,000 troops dead as opposed to 58,000 + is no comparison. . . . not in size or in scope!

I don't think the war has been entirely handled properly, but I still want us to win.  I support those who have died for freedom, regardless of which country they come from.  Regardless of whether you support the war, you should pray and say thanks to those troops put their ass's on the line for you everyday.  When I say pray for those troopss, I'm am talking about all those soldiers from all sorts of nations protecting our way of life/principles!
2006-11-05 04:39:36
PspRpg-7
-
+961|7144

Thank god this isn't a "5th of November" thread. Thank you.
2006-11-05 04:41:43
klassekock
Proud Born Loser
+68|7033|Sweden

fadedsteve wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

LOL. No disrespect to the fallen but Iraq will not be looked upon like WWII. It will be looked upon like Vietnam. A farcical misadventure that wasted many American lives.
Cameron your right this war will not be looked upon as stoic as WWII. . .

However, the Iraq war will not go down as another Vietnam, not even close. . . .

Americans may not completely agree with this war, but they certainly arent comparing it to the misadventure that was Vietnam.  Vietnam is a scar that has reletively healed in our country.  The left would love a comparison to Vietnam, so it can muster more anti-Bush retoric.  But the average "Joe" walking the street knows that 3,000 troops dead as opposed to 58,000 + is no comparison. . . . not in size or in scope!

I don't think the war has been entirely handled properly, but I still want us to win.  I support those who have died for freedom, regardless of which country they come from.  Regardless of whether you support the war, you should pray and say thanks to those troops put their ass's on the line for you everyday.  When I say pray for those troopss, I'm am talking about all those soldiers from all sorts of nations protecting our way of life/principles!
"but I still want us to win"????????????????

nobody ever wins a war......
2006-11-05 04:53:38
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6937|Menlo Park, CA

klassekock wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

LOL. No disrespect to the fallen but Iraq will not be looked upon like WWII. It will be looked upon like Vietnam. A farcical misadventure that wasted many American lives.
Cameron your right this war will not be looked upon as stoic as WWII. . .

However, the Iraq war will not go down as another Vietnam, not even close. . . .

Americans may not completely agree with this war, but they certainly arent comparing it to the misadventure that was Vietnam.  Vietnam is a scar that has reletively healed in our country.  The left would love a comparison to Vietnam, so it can muster more anti-Bush retoric.  But the average "Joe" walking the street knows that 3,000 troops dead as opposed to 58,000 + is no comparison. . . . not in size or in scope!

I don't think the war has been entirely handled properly, but I still want us to win.  I support those who have died for freedom, regardless of which country they come from.  Regardless of whether you support the war, you should pray and say thanks to those troops put their ass's on the line for you everyday.  When I say pray for those troopss, I'm am talking about all those soldiers from all sorts of nations protecting our way of life/principles!
"but I still want us to win"????????????????

nobody ever wins a war......
In theory war is the absolute disgrace of humanity. . .

There is nothing worse than conflict as a result of a breakdown of civil conversation. . .

But war IS necessary. . .and countries do win and lose! Its humanity that always gets the short end of the stick!
2006-11-05 04:57:41
klassekock
Proud Born Loser
+68|7033|Sweden
Interesting point there fadedsteve.
But I wonder if the people in Vietnam for example would agree with you?
2006-11-05 05:02:55
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6937|Menlo Park, CA

klassekock wrote:

Interesting point there fadedsteve.
But I wonder if the people in Vietnam for example would agree with you?
Please explain?
2006-11-05 06:30:40
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6939|Connecticut

Spumantiii wrote:

this thread should not be about when and where it's right to take a life since it can oppose diametrically according to who you ask.  Encountering a burgular is not the same as engaging in battle.  You don't have the discipline that a soldier has and made no agreement to put your ass on the line, you may not even have had to shoot him, it's entirely different from stories of people who's trained profession it is to have to end another's life.  It's nothing to brag about, as is not the number of soldiers a country gave up (or the construed reasons for why they did) If the burgular was trying to kill you that would be different, but still incomparable since noone commanded the two of you to fight each other.
You are right I am not a soldier. I am a  U.S. Marine. Dont tell me what I wont do with out knowing what I have unfortunately already done. I was not steering away from the thread, I was attempting to shut someone up who had already done so. And please refrain from also lecturing me about a combatants duties, I know them and you may as well but if not shut up.
Malloy must go
2006-11-05 06:41:55
klassekock
Proud Born Loser
+68|7033|Sweden

fadedsteve wrote:

klassekock wrote:

Interesting point there fadedsteve.
But I wonder if the people in Vietnam for example would agree with you?
Please explain?
I think we both can agree on the fact that USA didn't win the Vietnam war thus the winner must be the country of víetnam. But after having lots of casualities, trees without leaves, mines and other shit killing people after the war and the economy and the country in ruins, the vietnamese people most likely dinn't think they "won" much.

Just a thought......

Last edited by klassekock (2006-11-05 06:43:52)

2006-11-05 06:57:47
Crestfallen
Member
+27|6895|England, Leicester

ATG wrote:

Some people ( edit, removed reference to insane bf2s poster ) ) need to be reminded.
The Earth is soaked red with all the blood Americans have shed for the world.
Think what you will now about Bush; I'll wager history will view him and our war in Iraq much kinder.
America does not offer up these most important sacrifices for nothing.
Lest we forget.
I find it so sad that this keeps happening on these forums.  I've been around for a while, not always registered, but time and time again whenever someone brings up a thread about Americans and how much they contributed to global conflicts and freedom that was won, it always ends up as a flame fest with people getting enraged at each other. 
It's true that the Americans have sacrificed so much for freedom, and while so many of you argue that we owe them nothing, we owe their dead soldiers, as much as our own, our respect by remembering them on the 11th, to pay homage for what they have given us - the right to exist in freedom today.  Every country sacrificed a great amount in terms of human lives for freedom, and it doesn’t matter who sacrificed more, the fact is they died for us.  So let’s do the right thing and remember them rather than just bickering away over which country saved the other.
In actual fact, the allies would not have won World War 2 without the American's aid, and while I don't see myself 'owing' America anything today, I owe my continued existence to those men who gave their lives so freely.  Nice post ATG +1.

blisteringsilence wrote:

And who provided squadrons of pilots to fly those planes? Useless Americans again.
And just for my own mind, to my knowledge, during the Battle of Britain, there were only 12 American pilots to begin with, and by the end only enough to constitute a single squadron.  That’s not a flame; I just don’t think that it’s right factually.

(As a note to you flamers, instead of flying off the hook next time, can’t you at least try to justify your opinions and thoughts.)

Last edited by Crestfallen (2006-11-05 06:58:47)

2006-11-05 08:07:37
blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|7148|Little Rock, Arkansas

Crestfallen wrote:

blisteringsilence wrote:

And who provided squadrons of pilots to fly those planes? Useless Americans again.
And just for my own mind, to my knowledge, during the Battle of Britain, there were only 12 American pilots to begin with, and by the end only enough to constitute a single squadron.  That’s not a flame; I just don’t think that it’s right factually.

(As a note to you flamers, instead of flying off the hook next time, can’t you at least try to justify your opinions and thoughts.)
I'm sorry that I was quoting from memory rather than source. If you'd like, you can examine this wikipedia article for proof. Also, there is a book called The Eagle Squadron that is an engrossing tale. For those who don't want to link out:

Wikipedia wrote:

The last Eagle Squadron was disbanded in September 1942, with most of the members transferring into the United States Army Air Forces. The three Eagle Squadrons were numbered 71, 121, and 133. Of the thousands that volunteered, 244 Americans served with the three Eagle Squadrons; 16 Britons acted as Squadron and Flight commanders.
I wouldn't say that I flew off the hook. I'd say that I let my scarsm and acerbic wit take over from my more reasoned voice for a minute or two. I personally blame KilgoreTrout.
2006-11-05 08:10:00
ShowMeTheMonkey
Member
+125|7148
Cool! I'm ATGs pal. I remember from baby scholl that mean "personal ass licker" I like that title.
2006-11-05 08:11:01
Ottomania
Troll has returned.
+62|6968|Istanbul-Turkey
you had rights to join ww2, but you didnt have rights to enter Iraq. no mercy to soldiers in iraq.
2006-11-05 08:24:08
blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|7148|Little Rock, Arkansas

Ottomania wrote:

you had rights to join ww2, but you didnt have rights to enter Iraq. no mercy to soldiers in iraq.
Go set yourself on fire. Seriously.
2006-11-05 09:16:16
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6975|Global Command

Nicholas Langdon wrote:

Lasdferret wrote:

Knight`UK wrote:


I owe the soldiers of the Allies alot i agree but what made me mad with you and ATG is that you both think the US fought and won the war on your own .And you fellas wont even admitt that others have suffered loses just as heavy as you fellows.
Get your head out of your ass, the thread was made in rememberance (sp?) of out troops. We never said we won the war by ourselves, BUT we were a big key in winning WWII. America (Atleast the one I know) respects our allies like we respect our troops. Your acting like we praise that we died more than your guys did, well guess what? Were not!
read the first page of posts at least, because yes this is exactly what ATG is saying.
I never said any such thing, stop being blinded by your own hate; its annoying!
2006-11-05 09:27:32
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6975|Global Command
Okay, I'll bite. Lets pretend to start over.
This is post #1
Some people ) need to be reminded.
The Earth is soaked red with all the blood our soldiers have shed for the world.

Lest we forget.

Normandy, France
https://i11.tinypic.com/44knfi0.jpg
Iwo Jima
https://i12.tinypic.com/29caumd.jpg
North Africa
https://i11.tinypic.com/2d9woxk.jpg
Italy
https://i12.tinypic.com/35ivy1z.jpg
Makati City
https://i11.tinypic.com/2wr1zeo.jpg
Manila
https://i12.tinypic.com/29nguiw.jpg
Netherlands
https://i12.tinypic.com/2n1cqy9.jpg
Germany
https://i12.tinypic.com/44bwtfr.jpg
And Iraq
https://i12.tinypic.com/2qtxpnc.jpg
2006-11-05 09:30:07
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|7002
Kudos to the US on their WWII contribution.

Shame on the US on their Vietnam, Iraq, Latin American 'contributions'.
2006-11-05 09:33:16
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6975|Global Command
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^lolx6^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

so many of the forum users could benefit from a lesson in wit from you Cam.
2006-11-05 10:05:57
..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|7096
Korean involvment, cant decide if that was a good contribution or a bad one
2006-11-05 10:12:39
d3v1ldr1v3r13
Satan's disciple on Earth.
+160|7132|Hell's prison

Bubbalo wrote:

ATG wrote:

America does not offer up these most important sacrifices for nothing.
Yes, how kind of you to defend freedom as and when it suits you.  Need I remind you that it wasn't until after Pearl Harbour that you joined WWII?  And that in Vietnam you supported a corrupt government?  Or that you supported an Iranian dictatorship (in fact, that you've supported many dictatorships)?

If there are any American soldiers who think that I owe them, fuck them.  Australian soldiers don't declare that their people owe them.  They merely expect the same rights as anyone else.

So, ATG, how about you go think about the fact that more Australians died per capita in WWI than any other nation, or the fact that even as the Japanese advanced on Australia our troops held Tobruk for our European allies.  Then how about you stop telling me what I do or don't owe anyone.
No Bubbalo, FUCK YOU.  No American troop believes they are owed anything.  And the reason we didnt join the fight til after Pearl HARBOR, is because it was so cowardly snuck up on.  And if you dont feel you owe anyone anything, go on with your ignorant life, because these Aussie troops who died, died along with Americans.  So the least you can do is have some fuckin respect, which you seem to lack unless it benefits your selfish wants.  You aint nothin more than a fucking dog, a meingy mutt, and people like you that have no respect for anything unless it benefits you make me fucking sick.  So how about a little degree of not thinking about yourself for once, and tip your hat to the Aussies, British, Americans, and many many others that shed their blood, and not make that sacrifice in vain.
2006-11-05 10:13:45
d3v1ldr1v3r13
Satan's disciple on Earth.
+160|7132|Hell's prison

CameronPoe wrote:

Kudos to the US on their WWII contribution.

Shame on the US on their Vietnam, Iraq, Latin American 'contributions'.
Thank you.

And shame on you for doing nothing about it.

People wont be looking at this as another WWII, because people dont feel the need to support their own country anymore, theres no more pride in the US.  And its because everyone is too P.C., everyone is too worried about what the next guy thinks and never thinks about their own.  To all you hippie, ant-war/American, liberalist/Commie-wanna-be pricks can go to hell.  Support your country or go tell Bin Laden, or just some terrorist leader you dont like his ideals, I will gladly give you honors and bury your headless body.

Last edited by d3v1ldr1v3r13 (2006-11-05 10:18:02)

2006-11-05 11:00:17
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

ATG wrote:

Every country has not.
Props to Canada, but your wrong.
I agree that we have made a lot of sacrifices for the world in terms of soldiers' lives, but our death toll pales in comparison to that of Russia.
2006-11-05 11:04:49
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Kudos to the US on their WWII contribution.

Shame on the US on their Vietnam, Iraq, Latin American 'contributions'.
Thank you.

And shame on you for doing nothing about it.

People wont be looking at this as another WWII, because people dont feel the need to support their own country anymore, theres no more pride in the US.  And its because everyone is too P.C., everyone is too worried about what the next guy thinks and never thinks about their own.  To all you hippie, ant-war/American, liberalist/Commie-wanna-be pricks can go to hell.  Support your country or go tell Bin Laden, or just some terrorist leader you dont like his ideals, I will gladly give you honors and bury your headless body.
I'm anti-war and Libertarian, but I still value the freedoms of my country deeply.  While you have the freedom to spout this nonsense, I think a little research will enlighten you to the fact that defense industries are the reason we often enter war now.  It's a business that expends our tax money and our soldiers' lives with little care for the repercussions afterward.  Until you realize this, you will be stuck in your hateful patriotic fantasy.
2006-11-05 11:17:11
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6975|Global Command
" hateful patriotic fantasy?"
When I masterbate, its to a pix of the statue of liberty.

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