BF2S Forums UCLA student fried by Police

Bubbalo wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

My friend's dog is half dingo.


And now all the idiots on this forum are going to think that Australians have dingos for pets.  W007.

I thought you guys just ate them when you ran out of seasonal cacti.

Pretty much.  Occasionally we eat immigrants.  All free range.  Personally I favour the ones from Baxter, but it's a personal thing.  With the right sauce and accompanying wine it really is beautiful.

What about the kiwis? Do you eat them too, or did that stop with the onset of New Line's LotR films?

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-11-17 03:27:54)

Ok, I'm going to start from the initial point of the arrest.

For starters while I accept that Mostafa Tabatabainejad should've had his card arresting him is a completely ridiculous measure. You arrest someone for culpable driving, you arrest someone for commiting murder, you arrest someone who just smashed up a shop. The whole point of arresting someone is to take them into custody for a serious crime and to temporaraly protect the public for someone dangerous. YOU DO NOT arrest someone for failing to produce their friggin library card. If you were browsing the net or reading a book and a pair of coppers come up and try to arrest and subdue you for not showing them your library card you WOULD be pissed off. It's the not the role of campus police or normal police to kick people out of library's for not having their cards.

Then onto the Tasering. This guy had a right to be pissed off, once again if you were about to be arrested for not havin ya ID card then there's no way that you'd let these cops arrest ya. I don't believe that you allow police to carry tasers, electrocuting someone to subdue them is torture plain and simple, and the continous use of the taser even after subduing your suspect is torture. Oh no I said a naughty word, but putting someone in continous pain IS torture, and I'm surprised many people on this forum are supporting the use of that force.

The second thing that disturbs me about that video is the excessive use of the taser. Tasering someone repeatedly is excessive use of force and torture. Even after cuffing him they continue to taser him to get him to stand, don't that get to anyone here? It is impossible to stand after being tasered. Depending on each individual's physiology, it takes at least a minute to be able to even stand after a single Taser shot. Tasers send 50,000 volts into their target. That 50,000 volts overide the nervous system and temporarly paralyze muscles, yet some of you say "He should've stood up like he was told". Because of deaths caused by tasers they have been reclassified from "non lethal" to "less lethal". How Fun.

The repeated use of a taser is known to cause deaths. Yet I've seen many videos of police using their tasers to continuously subdue "suspects" into submission. Over 100 deaths in America have been reported from continously tasering someone. The taser manual states that continous use of the taser can cause permanent damage.

The use of electrocution weapons and the arrests of people for not showing identity cards is something you'd only see in a a police state. Yet you Americans nowadays are quite willing to allow the police, your protecters :S to abuse their powers without consequence and to override your rights as humans. You can't honestly be a member of the country with the most freedom and liberty and say that "he shouldve done what he was told", that is NOT the American way, you are meant to question stupid shit like this.

Shame on you for defending this bullying and abuse of power.

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Sk wrote:

shit... i forget my pass for work somedays..
reckon I shoud just get it implanted to my hand just incase I get tazered for using the drinks machine!

Read the article and watch the video, or do not post here. You're only making a fool of yourself. The kid was told to leave the library because he lacked the necessary ID. He refused to. The cops arrived and told him to immediately leave and he still refused to. He had plenty of opportunities to cooperate.

It is so good to see people with level heads.  Thank you.  I'll +1 you when I get 10 posts.

Okay, here's Erk follow up rant:

1. I am by NO means, a fan of police officers. Every run in I have had with them has been under negative connotations.

2. The disobeyed an order form a peace officer. By tearing his arm away and screaming at police officers he was technically commiting assault.

SO.......

I believe they did tazer him a bit much, but my disdain for his little faggoty screaming act, trying to be the "viva la resistance fuck the pigs" blurred me to the fact that he was being zipped repeatedly.

He should've resisted with less vulgarity, or just left the damn library.

Oh, and the patriot act had nothing to do with this whatsoever, little punk ass kid with an agenda.

Iron_Sentinel wrote:

Good lord that was blood chilling. I think he was tasered more than 4 times, judging by the painful screams.

NEWS FOR YA!
I watch the show Cops ALL THE TIME and that kid was just screaming bloody murder like a 4 year old child.  I have never ever heard anyone scream like that when they were being tazed ever.  He was just doing it for attention because all of the students were on his side.  If that idiot didn't have an audience then he wouldn't have been so loud.  Thats a fact.

This is for all the people on this board who think he was unjustly tazed. 

I sent this to an investigator with the DA and he said "the video does not show what the officers are responding too, what was said when they got there, who they are dealing with, why he is "truely" being arrested, what forms of resistance he provided... basically a lot of unknowns here... so it would be unfair and inaccurate to draw detailed conclusions from just that portion of the video alone.  You would need to look at "Totality of the Circumstances".  However, from the video, the officers were well within their right to use force.  Using a tazer is a "use of force" like using a batton and the suspect dictates what is used according to the suspect's resistance.  In this case it appears as if he is both passive and aggressively resisting.  And with a potential angry mob building it was in the officer's best interest to get the suspect out of their ASAP."

Last edited by FederalRepublic (2006-11-17 07:48:40)

i shoot at least twice a week with cops, and while i dont condone what they did i can understand their actions........im guessing that this took place at a pretty liberal school, with his yelling about the patriot act, lol. im also guessing that school is rather expensive. which puts the majority of young people that go there into the my parents are rich and ill act how i feel category. now thats fine if they want to act like that, but you have to listen to the police. unless you can run fast enough to get away, you will get arrested if they want you in handcuffs. i dont know if it was all over his library card, but if it was all he needed to do was go to his room and produce his card for the officers to see. instead he argued and then screamed and flopped on the floor. now i dont think the number of times he was tased was right. i have been tased before and it took me a second just to get back to my feet....and honestly i was more worried about getting the metal taste out of my mouth than standing at that point. but heres my point, while it wasnt right for the little fool to act that way, the police also messed up bigtime with getting him while he was down.

B.Schuss wrote:

Telling someone who has just been tazered to "get up, or you'll be tazered more" is just ridiculous. How is he supposed to even get up in that situation ? 50,000 volts will hurt like shit and I personally know nobody who'd be able to even crawl on the floor in any direction after getting one tazer shot, let alone 4 or more...

This is simply not true.  You recover instantly after being tazed. 

Here is an example:
http://my.break.com/Media/View.aspx?ContentID=148885

cpt.fass1 wrote:

I have alot of complaints about this instance and I'm very distusted by everyone's support of the police in this instance.
Number 1. They not only said that he didn't have his libary card but they said that they didn't ask for any other form of school id, collage kids don't loose things.

Number 2. If the person was compling to the police and the officer put his hands on him while he was complying that's assalt on the police officers part.
Example if I'm in a park past it's opening and a cop come's up and tells me it's closed and I say ok let me grab my stuff. I pack up and start leaving if that officer where to grab me I'd be pissed as well. That's excessive force.

Number 3. I'm sure we've all seen alot of tazer video's and some of them they flip and hit the ground and freak out. The police motto is "To Protect and to Serve" that's including the people they have in custody, if the gentleman getting arrested started convulsing from the tazer he could have really hurt himself. Broken a shoulder, wrist, or anything else.

I was watching this video here of a tazering and the police helped the gentleman up, now if the police where just sitting there saying "Get up, Get Up" and he was handcuffed behind his back and just tazered it would be very difficult for him to stand.. If you don't belive me lay on the ground with your hands behind your back and try to stand up without making servir jerking motions..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHgGqmO2Xz4

Cops are humans and when you see an act of over aggression from them what do you do? I've seen many acts of aggration by certain police officers that could have been avoided and our current laws are worring me..

The facts would help you better.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061117/ap_ … nt_stunned

1) You only have one college ID and he refused to show it.  When I was in college you had to have your ID to do anything and if you didn't have proper ID you were then trespassing on the campus. 
2) This guy refused to show his ID when asked for it and was placed under arrest after refusing to comply.
3) You can get right up after getting tazed.

The kid's an asshole.  The cops are assholes.  The onlookers are assholes.  I'm an asshole.  Fuck LA.

And people, for fuck's sake learn to spell.  Or use that big button in the bottom left that says "check spelling".  Thank you, that is all, assholes...

"Several civil rights organizations, including Amnesty International and the Council on American-Islamic Relations, have called for an independent review."

The second CAIR gets involved, I side with the police.

FederalRepublic wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

Telling someone who has just been tazered to "get up, or you'll be tazered more" is just ridiculous. How is he supposed to even get up in that situation ? 50,000 volts will hurt like shit and I personally know nobody who'd be able to even crawl on the floor in any direction after getting one tazer shot, let alone 4 or more...

This is simply not true.  You recover instantly after being tazed. 

Here is an example:
http://my.break.com/Media/View.aspx?ContentID=148885

Yeah, that guy clearly "recovered instantly" after being electrocuted... rofl.

They held him on the ground for a few minutes getting his cuffs on, and then there is a camera cut before showing him get up. For all you know he could have been on the ground five or six more minutes before that shot of him standing up. There would have been no need for a camera cut if the camera man had immediately panned back to him being assisted to the squad car by the cops, which means that he was on the ground for a little while longer before recovering.

You sir have a VERY LOOSE definition of "instantly."

Articles beyond the Daily Bruin:
http://www.nbc4.tv/news/10325914/detail.html
http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_319101652.html
http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_4668293
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/20 … ers_t.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me … -headlines

Looks like he lawyered up.  I'm hoping it's on court TV.