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Infantry Only is more Skill...
Don't you just hate it when your a Medic and a Tank sees you so you run behind a building and 1 minute later he finally comes around the corner and kills you even though you've run everywhich way to avoid it?
People are fucking Cowards, and on some servers the only team that wins is the one with the most Vehicle whores, Capturing all Flags in a Tank/APC, Nobody ever naked on Foot.
It means nothing if you kill someone with a Vehicle.
Don't you just hate it when your a Medic and a Tank sees you so you run behind a building and 1 minute later he finally comes around the corner and kills you even though you've run everywhich way to avoid it?
People are fucking Cowards, and on some servers the only team that wins is the one with the most Vehicle whores, Capturing all Flags in a Tank/APC, Nobody ever naked on Foot.
It means nothing if you kill someone with a Vehicle.
You thought wake island was bad with vehicles/j10/chopper whores, raping the USMC back to the ice age. Try playing it in IO mode.
Alternative to Infantry Only called 'Vehicle-Neutered':
In the mode above, ALL classes and ALL kits will be useful and played.
- Replace Tank and APC spawns with Heavy Jeeps
- Replace AA vehicle spawns with Light Jeeps
- Remove Jets
- Replace Littlebird and Attack Helicopter spawns with Transport Helicopters
In the mode above, ALL classes and ALL kits will be useful and played.
Are we playing the same game? BF2?JeSTeR_Player1 wrote:
Infantry Only is more Skill...
Don't you just hate it when your a Medic and a Tank sees you so you run behind a building and 1 minute later he finally comes around the corner and kills you even though you've run everywhich way to avoid it?
People are fucking Cowards, and on some servers the only team that wins is the one with the most Vehicle whores, Capturing all Flags in a Tank/APC, Nobody ever naked on Foot.
It means nothing if you kill someone with a Vehicle.
I love IO but it is a bit easy.
Last edited by splixx (2006-11-20 10:54:03)
Very cool idea. Would sort out the IO stalemate on Jalalabad having unarmed transport.
Last edited by Ur-Jack (2006-11-20 10:56:09)
Thats what really winds me up.Ur-Jack wrote:
Very cool idea. Would sort out the IO stalemate on Jalalabad having unarmed transport.
What the fuck is so wrong with a jeep having a mounted gun on it? Seriously, what is wrong with it? What makes it so bad that it must be "nerfed" for IO mode?
Well I don't really object to having jeeps and transport copters as they are in regular mode in IO mode either, was just just agreeing with having them disarmed in the spirit of Infantry Only. Whether they armed or not I think transport vehicles won't upset the balance of a fight for IO, would help open the map up and in the case of Jala;abad, spread the conflict past that one ridge. So to answer your question, nothing is 'the fuck wrong' with a jeep with a mounted gun.
It wasnt just implied at you, it was to everyone else who argues that transports shouldnt have mounted guns if they were to be in IO. I fail to see why that should be.
Its not as if they are dominant spawnrapers or anything...1 AT rocket sorts em out.
I just read that kind of thing (be it from anyone) as a "I need everything nerfed down to make it as easy as possible".
Its not as if they are dominant spawnrapers or anything...1 AT rocket sorts em out.
I just read that kind of thing (be it from anyone) as a "I need everything nerfed down to make it as easy as possible".
Two hand grenades also takes out a transport vehicle. Anyway, IO is teh win....or something.
Ah I get you, was thrown by the quote, apologies.
I do agree too, wouldn't class a FAV or Vodnik as a vehicle of mass destruction. I think however it is just more of an ethos thing, IO as a definition doesn't allow anything other than someone on foot to be offensive, and if a vehicle were to be allowed then it shouldn't have the capability to fire upon somebody; only function as a means of traversing the terrain quickly for a change of tactic and or strike poistion.
Personally I don't see a vehicle with the ability to be offensive as much of a problem, however if IO was developed to allow unarmed vehicles it would at least be a step in the right direction.
I do agree too, wouldn't class a FAV or Vodnik as a vehicle of mass destruction. I think however it is just more of an ethos thing, IO as a definition doesn't allow anything other than someone on foot to be offensive, and if a vehicle were to be allowed then it shouldn't have the capability to fire upon somebody; only function as a means of traversing the terrain quickly for a change of tactic and or strike poistion.
Personally I don't see a vehicle with the ability to be offensive as much of a problem, however if IO was developed to allow unarmed vehicles it would at least be a step in the right direction.
Yeah IO could be a lot of fun if they would fix some things like only allowing jeeps and transport choppers. I really don't mind IO its just there are so damn many of them you can barely find a normal server. I had some guy flame me in a PM over this topic but he said he hasn't played BF2 in a long time and he called me a nub cuz he plays 2142 but you know if you havn't played BF2 lately you wouldn't know cuz this IO craze is pritty recent. I think people like it becaue you can rack up a lot of points, almost like stat padding imo. People have forgoten that BF2 is about having fun not about having the highest rank.Ur-Jack wrote:
Ah I get you, was thrown by the quote, apologies.
I do agree too, wouldn't class a FAV or Vodnik as a vehicle of mass destruction. I think however it is just more of an ethos thing, IO as a definition doesn't allow anything other than someone on foot to be offensive, and if a vehicle were to be allowed then it shouldn't have the capability to fire upon somebody; only function as a means of traversing the terrain quickly for a change of tactic and or strike poistion.
Personally I don't see a vehicle with the ability to be offensive as much of a problem, however if IO was developed to allow unarmed vehicles it would at least be a step in the right direction.
Last edited by BlackCow (2006-11-20 19:03:56)
Even without the gigantic scores every round, I have so much more fun in "vehicle mode" karkand than IO karkand. So much more going on, so much more to do. Every class has its role...Rather than "Medic/Sniper/Support" IO. IO can be fun, but not in "deathmatch" which is what 90% of the IO servers are...Deathmatch on city maps.
I think ATVs would go perfect w/ IO mode.
I think ATVs would go perfect w/ IO mode.
Last edited by SlightlySto0pid (2006-11-20 19:14:56)
Apparently it's what the majority wants.BlackCow wrote:
I don't understand, all of the good 64 player servers are infentry only. Why do people like it so much? I like the idea of no vehicles but the problem is that its full of nade spaming bunny hoping n00bs. And the battle always seems to move so slow, specialy on jalalabad. A few infentry only servers is enough but why so many of them, it didn't used to be that way. What happend to all the good city maps only servers.
With reference to the last massage, its true to say that people have forgotten that playing bf2 is for fun not for ranks or badges. I belong to this category. I play for rank. Once up to colonel i quit cause i dun like having to get my ass up to a heli or airplane to get to general rankings. I play IO and normal maps and find both situations very tense n fun. Except getting bombarded 10 times straight, its fun trying to run n shoot people whenever the case is. IO is full grenade spamming, especially in EA TH 64 IO maps, people will just camp n spam nades, is that fun? is skill required? Vehicles maps are more difficult for infantry players like me as we have to think tactically. I personally think that its a massive challenge to play in BF2 as an infantry, whether its in IO or vehicle. To people who hate IO, just avoid it, its just another mod for IO lovers. Please dun disintegrate it. It may not be fun to u guys, but its fun to people who loves it. Things u may like doesn't mean people will like it too.....
The concept of IO is fine - but city maps were pretty balanced that way in any case. Wherever there is lots of cover for infantry, it isn't an issue. By all means bring tanks into Jalabad, Karkand, Mashtuur...
Pretty much all the SF maps are geared for that already - vehicles don't overpower infantry as there is always a spare building/wall to take cover and alleyways too small for vehicles to follow.
The maps where vanilla does suck for vehicles are the massive open terrain monsters where those who flog the 4-6 aircraft can proceed to carpet bomb the map. Qatar Wetlands is a fair example - the only cover in a 2k radius on the middle of the map is next to two sheds, both of which can be covered by an arty radius.
Otherwise there is a massive amount of open terrain with next to nothing to hide behind and absolutely nothing to hide from jets. Not like popping smoke does shit to put the bomb sights off. On those types, open terrain can favour the air a little too much.
Would happily leave vehicles in the city maps - transport choppers included; hell, even attack choppers on maps like Ghost Town are easy enough to duck and cover.
Irony of it is though - you take the vehicles out and who wants to play IO on a map that is 15km long with no transport? The round timer would be over 20minutes before anyone had sprinted to the central flag.
Hence we end up using only maps where flags are all within 500m so that the action can happen quicker.
Pretty much all the SF maps are geared for that already - vehicles don't overpower infantry as there is always a spare building/wall to take cover and alleyways too small for vehicles to follow.
The maps where vanilla does suck for vehicles are the massive open terrain monsters where those who flog the 4-6 aircraft can proceed to carpet bomb the map. Qatar Wetlands is a fair example - the only cover in a 2k radius on the middle of the map is next to two sheds, both of which can be covered by an arty radius.
Otherwise there is a massive amount of open terrain with next to nothing to hide behind and absolutely nothing to hide from jets. Not like popping smoke does shit to put the bomb sights off. On those types, open terrain can favour the air a little too much.
Would happily leave vehicles in the city maps - transport choppers included; hell, even attack choppers on maps like Ghost Town are easy enough to duck and cover.
Irony of it is though - you take the vehicles out and who wants to play IO on a map that is 15km long with no transport? The round timer would be over 20minutes before anyone had sprinted to the central flag.
Hence we end up using only maps where flags are all within 500m so that the action can happen quicker.
I like both TBH, IO is good for honeing your ground skills.
Complete sux servers are the 24/7 karkand IO FF off servers, i joined a m8 through xfire an he was at one, the most boreing waste of time, I only stayed for about 5 mins and prob did not hear one shot fired just boom boom boom.
IO is a great game mode and has its place but somtimes you do think damn if only i had a jeep ev erything is so fricking far away, I get knackered covering all those miles without a vehicle :-)
Complete sux servers are the 24/7 karkand IO FF off servers, i joined a m8 through xfire an he was at one, the most boreing waste of time, I only stayed for about 5 mins and prob did not hear one shot fired just boom boom boom.
IO is a great game mode and has its place but somtimes you do think damn if only i had a jeep ev erything is so fricking far away, I get knackered covering all those miles without a vehicle :-)
just simply find IO generally more fun, a few reasons why;
when playing regular bf2 the only way you can efficiently do anything for your team is pretty much by getting in a vehicle. it's just not fun to work your ass off just to cap a flag which thirty seconds later is swarming by retards in tanks, artillery and jets.
so why won't i just grab a vehicle myself you ask?, well generally there's more whores than vehicles = if you somehow manage to finally get a hold of anything you just get tk'd for it.
Don't get me wrong, i HATE nadespamming and Clays and shit just as much as most of you do but it's relatively easy to avoid (OK not clays), and on IO i find it easier to team up with someone and actually doing something for your team
so for me it's basically just a choice between playing infantry not being able to do anything for the team, or playing infantry with the power to change the outcome of the round. even so regular is still WAY more fun if you can get some fair/team-play going, which sadly is very rare
I'd like to see a game type with all vehicles except jets and armor
when playing regular bf2 the only way you can efficiently do anything for your team is pretty much by getting in a vehicle. it's just not fun to work your ass off just to cap a flag which thirty seconds later is swarming by retards in tanks, artillery and jets.
so why won't i just grab a vehicle myself you ask?, well generally there's more whores than vehicles = if you somehow manage to finally get a hold of anything you just get tk'd for it.
Don't get me wrong, i HATE nadespamming and Clays and shit just as much as most of you do but it's relatively easy to avoid (OK not clays), and on IO i find it easier to team up with someone and actually doing something for your team
so for me it's basically just a choice between playing infantry not being able to do anything for the team, or playing infantry with the power to change the outcome of the round. even so regular is still WAY more fun if you can get some fair/team-play going, which sadly is very rare
I'd like to see a game type with all vehicles except jets and armor
Last edited by [RFW]Xenomorph (2006-11-21 14:03:10)
I know.
One of my fantasies is to have two APCs with 5 engineers a piece in them...
One of my fantasies is to have two APCs with 5 engineers a piece in them...
Infantry Only does NOT = fun. Why? It basically turns BF2 into Deathmatch with spawncamping involved. While I'm sure that if people played IO like a normal round of BF2 it would be a lot of fun, this never happens and it's just a musical flags grenade spamming circle jerk where medics can flourish. I'm sorry, but infantry combat is only a part of BF2 and that's why the guns are so inaccurate ... I liked IO mode for like a week after it came out, but damnit, I crave good old BF2...Almost every fun server I regulared on converted to IO.
I play only on Infantry servers that friendly fire is on, that way you don't have to worry about everyone being snipers and laying down claymores. I feel more skill is involved, because you have to have teamwork, this is coming from a old tank whore. Also look for servers that alot of different clans are on, warning not for the average noob, you will have to have some skill to compete against these players. I play on =ESU= Infantry city Maps server 204.13.109.68 , I also recommend XSF infantry only server.
Well obviously IO does = fun to a lot of people so there you go each to there own.SlightlySto0pid wrote:
Infantry Only does NOT = fun. Why? It basically turns BF2 into Deathmatch with spawncamping involved. While I'm sure that if people played IO like a normal round of BF2 it would be a lot of fun, this never happens and it's just a musical flags grenade spamming circle jerk where medics can flourish. I'm sorry, but infantry combat is only a part of BF2 and that's why the guns are so inaccurate ... I liked IO mode for like a week after it came out, but damnit, I crave good old BF2...Almost every fun server I regulared on converted to IO.
QFEFrankieSpankie3388 wrote:
I hate people who think that more skill is required in IO. How is there more skill involved when you don't have vehicles shooting at you? It's a lot harder to get a high score with all that going on. I've gone 40-5 in rounds where I was on foot all the time, maybe with some transport action but no tanks, helis, or jets at all. Hell, only a third of my kills come while in vehicles, and only 15% of my kills come in a tank, I rarely use helis and jets. You have to learn how to play with them. Besides, if you could master the game with all these vehicles all over the place, then that would make you the better player than somebody who has mastered IO.
Lots of fun owning people in vehicles
Engy on Daqinq driving DPV/FAV and leaving presents behind on tanks/SPAA. Ended up with a gold medal too.
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I think a lot of people just don't understand how to play with vehicles. Like when an attack chopper comes at your squad to rape you, don't run in circles and let the attack chopper kill you. 1) take cover if you can and 2) SHOOT AT IT! If you have enough people shooting even just bullets at it small arms will do damage to it, they are not heavily protected. Especialy if you got a Jeep with a .50 cal, those are a attack choppers worst enemy. A lot of people don't know about taking down tanks properly. If you are AT don't just shoot randomly at any spot, its not the same damage wherever you hit. Use that rocket to hit the treads, one tread shot is 10 damage. A tank has 20 damage points, 2 rockets and you toasted that mofo. 2 rocket shots at the very back at it does 9 damage each, that will set it on fire. Im not shure what to tell you about Air Planes, all I can say is I hope your team has air supuriority. Maby if they fixed the F-35b it wouldn't suck so much. The city maps don't have airplanes though.
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