You guys can brag about how many times you've won as PAC on Fall of Berlin all you want, but the few dozen times I've played this map, I have never seen PAC capture and hold the first flag, much less win the round. It's like bragging about being a good sniper. I have yet to encounter a sniper who knew what he was doing, yet everyone here claims they are a god when it comes to sniping.
I have seen PAC win multiple times when i was commanding for PAC and even cap out EUFancy_Pollux wrote:
You guys can brag about how many times you've won as PAC on Fall of Berlin all you want, but the few dozen times I've played this map, I have never seen PAC capture and hold the first flag, much less win the round. It's like bragging about being a good sniper. I have yet to encounter a sniper who knew what he was doing, yet everyone here claims they are a god when it comes to sniping.
Last edited by Masterstyle (2006-11-20 14:56:22)
Drone surfing for the win. It's especially useful for taking that first flag. Get a squad of 6 up on the building, and coax them down (Might be hard with a bunch of strangers, most will be infatuated with camping their uber spot), all 6 capping the flag at once, it'll be neutralised before anyone on the EU realises it's white, and captured before anyone even tosses the first grenade..
Seriously, it's the Accipiters only use, and the only reason I took it as a perminant unlock. If Dice/EA take that out, I will seriously be very angry. =\ I really can't see it being anything but a feature, especially since it ONLY works with the Accipiter.
Seriously, it's the Accipiters only use, and the only reason I took it as a perminant unlock. If Dice/EA take that out, I will seriously be very angry. =\ I really can't see it being anything but a feature, especially since it ONLY works with the Accipiter.
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I know of a lot of secret routes on Fall of Berlin, so as PAC I can usualy get my squad back to the last flag with ease.
24/7 berlin FF off remember?Superior Mind wrote:
I know of a lot of secret routes on Fall of Berlin, so as PAC I can usualy get my squad back to the last flag with ease.
Another nice trick for the first flag is squeezing the Romanov into the first alley leading to the backway. It's a tight fit, but you can usually plow right through any resistance, as engineers won't bother with guarding the backway, suspecting that vehicles can only make it through the front or the 2nd alley.
Hell, the passengers could even pod over the fence and take flag 2 attacking that way.
Hell, the passengers could even pod over the fence and take flag 2 attacking that way.
Your problem is you're quite obviously playing with the wrong people..Fancy_Pollux wrote:
You guys can brag about how many times you've won as PAC on Fall of Berlin all you want, but the few dozen times I've played this map, I have never seen PAC capture and hold the first flag, much less win the round. It's like bragging about being a good sniper. I have yet to encounter a sniper who knew what he was doing, yet everyone here claims they are a god when it comes to sniping.
few games with me and some others from here will sort your Berlin woes out pollux..
you might even get some anal.
Fall of berlin is not bad. If you have a well-coordinated team to play with, a squad or two can maneuver the side-areas and be kept unseen while the others go to the frontline. I singlehandedly took the back base all by myself... numerous times. If i had people to join my squad, that base would have been taken much more swiftly.
And if you're on the EU side, just have some people defend that last flag. More likely than not, your PAC enemies will be converging on that flag in a matter of minutes. keeping that last flag will ensure your team won't be flanked hardcore.
And if you're on the EU side, just have some people defend that last flag. More likely than not, your PAC enemies will be converging on that flag in a matter of minutes. keeping that last flag will ensure your team won't be flanked hardcore.
Are You Kidding Me! That Map Is Awsome!
That is exactly how to do it. Take the second one first and thin out their defense of the first flag.ZCaliber wrote:
Hell, the passengers could even pod over the fence and take flag 2 attacking that way.
Fall of Berlin sucks. Feels like Karkand, just this gigantic rape outside the first flag.
Sure, it doesn't have to be that way, but it usually is, and there's a lot of other maps that don't suffer this problem. Or atleast suffer it less, so why play Berlin when Belgrade doesn't require a coordinated team to get past the first flag?
Sure, it doesn't have to be that way, but it usually is, and there's a lot of other maps that don't suffer this problem. Or atleast suffer it less, so why play Berlin when Belgrade doesn't require a coordinated team to get past the first flag?
I don't like it either. Has a bad feel to it.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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Minsk on Conquest. At least when there isn't anyone smart enough to use the gunship to break the line.Kanil wrote:
..and there's a lot of other maps that don't suffer this problem.
One of nine?
If you are on the EU then the map wouldn't be a problem. Its only fun for PAC if you are a good squad with a smart squad leader and a competent commander. Its a pretty fun map.
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Berlin does suck and pac can win but cut the crap about knowing ALOT of secret passages to sneek throu, or beeing able to get past "unseen", or rushing with a squad of 6 cloaked people past 32 players defending etc.
Yeas its quite posible to win but mostly by pushing and rushing. Not with some covering fire + flanking manouvers etc...
ANd yeah drone surfing is the best way. You can actualy get on the building above the first flag, than resuply and go up for about a minute, and jump down to the second flag.
Yeas its quite posible to win but mostly by pushing and rushing. Not with some covering fire + flanking manouvers etc...
ANd yeah drone surfing is the best way. You can actualy get on the building above the first flag, than resuply and go up for about a minute, and jump down to the second flag.
Fall of Berlin is the most poorly designed map in the history of Battlefield.
No matter what you do, you will not get past the first flag if you are PAC so long as the EU guys are even remotely competent. Every server should remove this map from their rotation cause its not even remotely challenging.
I was playing as EU last night and it was just pathetic...absolutely no fun at all. And those guys who enjoy getting 40+ kills with the mortar in the EU APC...lame.
No matter what you do, you will not get past the first flag if you are PAC so long as the EU guys are even remotely competent. Every server should remove this map from their rotation cause its not even remotely challenging.
I was playing as EU last night and it was just pathetic...absolutely no fun at all. And those guys who enjoy getting 40+ kills with the mortar in the EU APC...lame.
stop playing in 64 player servers!!!
the city maps in 2142 arent made for that many people
now i dont really like this map either it really isnt that fun.... and its definitly not fun at 64 players
the city maps in 2142 arent made for that many people
now i dont really like this map either it really isnt that fun.... and its definitly not fun at 64 players
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Exactly, Fall of Berlin looks a whole lot like a 32 man map (look at the number of flags compaired to Belgrade) Belgrade is pretty much the 64 man version of Berlin.
Berlin with 64/48 players sucks.
Exactly, Fall of Berlin looks a whole lot like a 32 man map (look at the number of flags compaired to Belgrade) Belgrade is pretty much the 64 man version of Berlin.
Berlin with 64/48 players sucks.
Oh, my, goodness. I can't win, so the map is teh sucks.
Get over it.
Noticed how your commander has E.M.P. & Orbital strikes? Guess what, they're there for a reason! Use them!
Noticed there are 4 classes in this game? Use them!
Noticed there are different unlocks for different types of combat? Use them!
Noticed there is a scope on the sniper rifles? Use them!
Noticed spawn beacons? Use them!
Noticed you can use the EAD? Use them!
Noticed you have team mates? Squad up and use eachtothers specialties!
Get over it.
Noticed how your commander has E.M.P. & Orbital strikes? Guess what, they're there for a reason! Use them!
Noticed there are 4 classes in this game? Use them!
Noticed there are different unlocks for different types of combat? Use them!
Noticed there is a scope on the sniper rifles? Use them!
Noticed spawn beacons? Use them!
Noticed you can use the EAD? Use them!
Noticed you have team mates? Squad up and use eachtothers specialties!
I win every time because I play as EU on that map. It has nothing to do with using kits or teamwork or anything like that. It's simply poor map design. On the occasional server with an organized group of people, the map can be fun. But the fact of the matter is that 99% of all servers running the map result in the same repetitive standoff with EU winning.Bernadictus wrote:
Oh, my, goodness. I can't win, so the map is teh sucks.
Get over it.
Noticed how your commander has E.M.P. & Orbital strikes? Guess what, they're there for a reason! Use them!
Noticed there are 4 classes in this game? Use them!
Noticed there are different unlocks for different types of combat? Use them!
Noticed there is a scope on the sniper rifles? Use them!
Noticed spawn beacons? Use them!
Noticed you can use the EAD? Use them!
Noticed you have team mates? Squad up and use eachtothers specialties!
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that's stating the obvious!Bernadictus wrote:
Berlin > Full PAC BTR-4 + Excellent crew = PWNG.
So is me > alone on any map > the best gear > an enemy that doesn't know the front of their weapon from the back > with shitty gear = PWNGOMG!!!!!!!FTW for me.
But you must realise that most of the time you jump in on a game with a few friends playing a team and knowing what they do, and a dozen lone wolfs that PWNGOMGFTW1337 on their own to get enough points to get their next rank.
There is no coördinated attackplan. Hell most of the time, i follow my teamleader around hoping he has his act together and guarding his back.
I must say i only played conquest a short time, but i left conquest for what it was, because it didn't make me feel good. It looks it has a lot of 'good' spots, but it's just all the same.
If there would be more balconies and grapplinghooks or second floor windows, then that would be an improvement i think. It would give it more of a guerrilla feel.
+1 voor de sig trouwens.
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Notice how most commanders are the kind that would move the titan onto the killzone. Same applys for conquest.Noticed how your commander has E.M.P. & Orbital strikes? Guess what, they're there for a reason! Use them!
Notice that many battlefieldians are stubborn and refuse to try anything other than support or fucking sniper, let alone engineerNoticed there are 4 classes in this game? Use them!
Notice how DICE crafted the unlock system so that anything could be bought with global unlocks, instead of having a class experiance where you got unlocks from your points with that kit, and now, just as you realise that you were a fucking smacktard in your noob days and spent all your easy unlocks on the assault and support instead of saving some for some anti vehicle, and now you're going to pay with your anus.Noticed there are different unlocks for different types of combat? Use them!
Notice that half the snipers out there are too fucking busy "being leet" and "making fully sick videos featuring half an hour of easy kills and incohearant lyricsNoticed there is a scope on the sniper rifles? Use them!
Notice that you come down in a big fucking pod almost wearing a sign saying, "HAY GUYZ! CAMP HERE!"Noticed spawn beacons? Use them!
Yeah, I have no clue what that is, Ill get back to ya.Noticed you can use the EAD? Use them!
Notice these teammates are often considered to be special needs.Noticed you have team mates? Squad up and use eachtothers specialties!
Look, you cant change the way others play, grow some friends and play with them if you really want to play properly.
I really don't like conquest either, but every now and them my favorite servers switch between Titan and Conquest.MrEzeuss wrote:
that's stating the obvious!Bernadictus wrote:
Berlin > Full PAC BTR-4 + Excellent crew = PWNG.
So is me > alone on any map > the best gear > an enemy that doesn't know the front of their weapon from the back > with shitty gear = PWNGOMG!!!!!!!FTW for me.
But you must realise that most of the time you jump in on a game with a few friends playing a team and knowing what they do, and a dozen lone wolfs that PWNGOMGFTW1337 on their own to get enough points to get their next rank.
There is no coördinated attackplan. Hell most of the time, i follow my teamleader around hoping he has his act together and guarding his back.
I must say i only played conquest a short time, but i left conquest for what it was, because it didn't make me feel good. It looks it has a lot of 'good' spots, but it's just all the same.
If there would be more balconies and grapplinghooks or second floor windows, then that would be an improvement i think. It would give it more of a guerrilla feel.
+1 voor de sig trouwens.
The real issue is getting a good squad together. And even more important, a good squad leader, that doesn't blindly follow the commanders orders.
@Sarrk.
You stated the obvious, but lets focus on those 10.000 players that do realize what this game is about.
I'm not running into a 10+ enemy area with 5 squad members, unless I am certain we have the advantage.
I invite you all to team up with me as PAC on a FoB map tonight.