I got "windows vista transformation pack 5.5" makes Xp look just like vista, it owns
It's just a rip off of mac, basically. Such with the dashboard and translucent effects.
The Ultimate edition is targeted at gamers, 'power users' and multimedia enthusiasts. Seperate to the business edition.leetkyle wrote:
The "huge" pricetag is for the business version. the "Home" version costs less than £90 and if you buy Windows Media Centre within the next 2 weeks or so (costing £50) you get an upgrade to vista PREMIUM for free.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
I mean, they've moved a few folders around, created a few new libraries, added a few new annoying 'security' prompts, and spend alot of time on eye candy and implementation of 'convenience' features most of which have standalone app equivalents already. It feels a bit like a 'redecoration' rather than a totally new experience. Views?
Vista has a lot more to offer than that. Just like Windows 98, XP will die down and fast. Certainly all new games released (as quoted from several gaming magazines) "...perform much better on Vista".
I'll be switching, because the future of computing is yet another step forward. We are now at the ability where once we install one thing, we have thousands of applications AT HAND.
Also, I had the RC2 Build 5803 version which was fantastic. The layout is so much simpler, and the details given on files is extraordinary, not to mention Dx10 utilization.
So, you might think that Vista is just "a mod" but it is a lot more than that. You, like millions of others (and please note, this is in no way an insult - certainly my family will do the same) will not utilize Vista to its full capabilities.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/c … aming.mspx
clarify: there will not be DX10 for windows xp. however, there will be a DX9.0L, which will be able to run dx10 stuff, but with the dx9 models, shaders, etc. so it will look like dx9 looks today. but it can use dx10....stuff...
[list]
[*]Vista gives you more information about every thing your computer is doing, way more than XP.
[*]Vista constantly indexes everything on your PC, searching delivers up to the second results.
[*]Vista Security is greatly enhanced. Permissions for everything reminiscent of Unix.
[*]Vista constantly monitor the performance of hardware on your machine tracking it over time. If you bottleneck you will be prompted by Vista.
[*]Vista has Parental Controls block certain apps from certain people at certain times. Make them stay focused on their homework.
[*]Vista gives you more information about every thing your computer is doing, way more than XP.
[*]Vista constantly indexes everything on your PC, searching delivers up to the second results.
[*]Vista Security is greatly enhanced. Permissions for everything reminiscent of Unix.
[*]Vista constantly monitor the performance of hardware on your machine tracking it over time. If you bottleneck you will be prompted by Vista.
[*]Vista has Parental Controls block certain apps from certain people at certain times. Make them stay focused on their homework.
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I think Vista is nice(looking) but its quite heavy man!
No, DX10 could not be added to XP. Because of the new WDM and the way the API interfaces with the drivers and kernel of the OS, DX10 could not be added to XP without a major overhaul of the OS. One which they simply will not undertake to make DX10 work on XP.Bertster7 wrote:
Yup. Checked into it more and SP3, probably won't have it in. There were some articles up recently claiming it would (it's not out for ages anyway, slated for 2008 I think).TheEternalPessimist wrote:
Thats what i thaught.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Exactly. From what Microsoft has said about DX10 is that it is a whole new way of interfacing with the drivers and the kernel. You can't just patch XP to support it.
"DX10 is going to be Vista-only. It relies on the new driver model, so don't expect some sort of eventual back-port to Windows XP."
From: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1 … 918,00.asp
There is no reason DX10 could not be implemented in XP though. The main difference is the removal of capability bits from the API, which eliminates any sort of backwards compatibility, either you card is DX10 capable or not, no middle ground. This is why Vista uses DX9EX (previously DX9L) for non DX10 graphics. There is no reason that the unified resource structure of DX10 could not work through the existing Windows XP executive block.
The hardware features of DX10, ie SM4 are already implementable through XP using OpenGL.
Here are the OpenGL extensions if any of you fancy making some shiny new games using SM4.
Also, the fact that the SM4 stuff can be done in OGL is irrelevant. OGL has always been able to do anything that could be done in DX, it's just that they were add-ons that had be coded separately when using the OGL API. DX integrates all these functions into a single API that is much easier to work with given the SDK.
You wouldn't need an overhaul of XP. Just an overhaul of the way in which DX10 interfaces with the OS. That wouldn't need to be done OS side, you could do it by changing DX10 instead of changing XP.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
No, DX10 could not be added to XP. Because of the new WDM and the way the API interfaces with the drivers and kernel of the OS, DX10 could not be added to XP without a major overhaul of the OS. One which they simply will not undertake to make DX10 work on XP.Bertster7 wrote:
Yup. Checked into it more and SP3, probably won't have it in. There were some articles up recently claiming it would (it's not out for ages anyway, slated for 2008 I think).TheEternalPessimist wrote:
Thats what i thaught.
"DX10 is going to be Vista-only. It relies on the new driver model, so don't expect some sort of eventual back-port to Windows XP."
From: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1 … 918,00.asp
There is no reason DX10 could not be implemented in XP though. The main difference is the removal of capability bits from the API, which eliminates any sort of backwards compatibility, either you card is DX10 capable or not, no middle ground. This is why Vista uses DX9EX (previously DX9L) for non DX10 graphics. There is no reason that the unified resource structure of DX10 could not work through the existing Windows XP executive block.
The hardware features of DX10, ie SM4 are already implementable through XP using OpenGL.
Here are the OpenGL extensions if any of you fancy making some shiny new games using SM4.
Also, the fact that the SM4 stuff can be done in OGL is irrelevant. OGL has always been able to do anything that could be done in DX, it's just that they were add-ons that had be coded separately when using the OGL API. DX integrates all these functions into a single API that is much easier to work with given the SDK.
Every new version of windows is like that.
The changes are all under the hood.
The cosmetics are just there to stop people posting to internet forums saying "WTF! It's exactly the same as XP!".
No there won't. DX9.0L is the working name for the backwards compatibility for Vista to run DX9 and earlier games. The L is for Longhorn. It's now called DX9EX or DX9X, something like that anyway.[TUF]Whiskey_Oktober wrote:
clarify: there will not be DX10 for windows xp. however, there will be a DX9.0L, which will be able to run dx10 stuff, but with the dx9 models, shaders, etc. so it will look like dx9 looks today. but it can use dx10....stuff...
Hence, it requires more resources, no?Kmarion wrote:
[list]
[*]Vista gives you more information about every thing your computer is doing, way more than XP.
[*]Vista constantly indexes everything on your PC, searching delivers up to the second results.
[*]Vista Security is greatly enhanced. Permissions for everything reminiscent of Unix.
[*]Vista constantly monitor the performance of hardware on your machine tracking it over time. If you bottleneck you will be prompted by Vista.
[*]Vista has Parental Controls block certain apps from certain people at certain times. Make them stay focused on their homework.
Yup. Loads of RAM....liquidat0r wrote:
Hence, it requires more resources, no?Kmarion wrote:
[list]
[*]Vista gives you more information about every thing your computer is doing, way more than XP.
[*]Vista constantly indexes everything on your PC, searching delivers up to the second results.
[*]Vista Security is greatly enhanced. Permissions for everything reminiscent of Unix.
[*]Vista constantly monitor the performance of hardware on your machine tracking it over time. If you bottleneck you will be prompted by Vista.
[*]Vista has Parental Controls block certain apps from certain people at certain times. Make them stay focused on their homework.
If Vista is even better than XP as XP was from previous windows versions then I am very excited about it! I can't wait. Of course it is worth it. Vista is my brotha as far as I'm concerned.
i m about to throw this on a 3rd partition tommrow night, just got it off torrent.
been lazy over the last year and half to even try to install it. but the people at my work want me to know the new features before we start selling it in jan so i firgured i would take a peek before release
i for one arnt gonna offcially run it until mid next year when i get some dx10 cards
what's this about sp3 having dx10? i read an article saying dx10 may not even come out at all, just more "critical updates until the end life cycle of the os
and alli know is vista better not need more then 500~ in resources to run or ill be ticked
im sure you can disable aeiro etc and bump it down to near XP resource needs though
been lazy over the last year and half to even try to install it. but the people at my work want me to know the new features before we start selling it in jan so i firgured i would take a peek before release
i for one arnt gonna offcially run it until mid next year when i get some dx10 cards
what's this about sp3 having dx10? i read an article saying dx10 may not even come out at all, just more "critical updates until the end life cycle of the os
and alli know is vista better not need more then 500~ in resources to run or ill be ticked
im sure you can disable aeiro etc and bump it down to near XP resource needs though
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SP3 will NOT have DX10. There have been numerous rumours that it would. Although I still maintain that it would be perfectly possible to do so, some people disagree. A lot of changes would have to made to the DX10 API, but they could do it. In any case I don't think SP3 is going to be out till 2008, probably later since it's MS.beerface702 wrote:
i m about to throw this on a 3rd partition tommrow night, just got it off torrent.
been lazy over the last year and half to even try to install it. but the people at my work want me to know the new features before we start selling it in jan so i firgured i would take a peek before release
i for one arnt gonna offcially run it until mid next year when i get some dx10 cards
what's this about sp3 having dx10? i read an article saying dx10 may not even come out at all, just more "critical updates until the end life cycle of the os
and alli know is vista better not need more then 500~ in resources to run or ill be ticked
im sure you can disable aeiro etc and bump it down to near XP resource needs though
DX9L/DX9Ex will NOT run on XP allowing DX10 games to be played. It is a backwards compatibility fix for Vista to run DX9 and earlier content.
I don't know where you are getting this about DX10 not coming out at all. It's out already. It's been included with Vista for ages now. There are just no DX10 games to use it with, except FSX, which needs a patch for the new render path - as yet unreleased.
I want some DX10 games!
Indeed, it also supports more ram.Bertster7 wrote:
Yup. Loads of RAM....liquidat0r wrote:
Hence, it requires more resources, no?Kmarion wrote:
[list]
[*]Vista gives you more information about every thing your computer is doing, way more than XP.
[*]Vista constantly indexes everything on your PC, searching delivers up to the second results.
[*]Vista Security is greatly enhanced. Permissions for everything reminiscent of Unix.
[*]Vista constantly monitor the performance of hardware on your machine tracking it over time. If you bottleneck you will be prompted by Vista.
[*]Vista has Parental Controls block certain apps from certain people at certain times. Make them stay focused on their homework.
Not to mention users will be able to add more memory to their computers by plugging in USB-based flash drives.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I read in multiple magazines that it is really good but the parental controls are a huge bitch (though can be turned off) and it is a bit pricey. The magazines all recomend Home Premium as the most cost effiecnt one, and they also say home basic is the worst because basic is pretty much the same as XP but with DX10.
XP x64 supports all the RAM you'll ever need though. Wine are releasing a version of DX10 for older windows versions (thanks to UON for showing me that).Kmarion wrote:
Indeed, it also supports more ram.Bertster7 wrote:
Yup. Loads of RAM....liquidat0r wrote:
Hence, it requires more resources, no?
Not to mention users will be able to add more memory to their computers by plugging in USB-based flash drives.
http://tampastorm.smugmug.com/photos/114232226-L.jpg
I'm not going to be buying a copy of Vista anytime soon. Despite the benefits it will obviously provide. I think it will really show it's worth in a couple of years time after it's been patched up a bit and is running nice and smoothly (and possibly slightly less pricey).
Last edited by Bertster7 (2006-12-05 14:09:03)