whoever uses semi needs a proper lesson with the bolt lol semi just does no damage....
Poll
Which sniper type do you think is better?
| Bolt | 77% | 77% - 182 | ||||
| Semi auto | 22% | 22% - 54 | ||||
| Total: 236 | ||||||
Use its strength and know its weaknesses. Thats the whole point. As stated before I prefer the SVD, but the M95 has three advantages: It reloads faster than the M24. It ALWAYS does 95 damage, regardless of body armor. It can damage choppers. It also has weaknesses: It reloads slowly in comparison to the semi-autos, it is not as precise as the M24/L96A1, it has a very specific sound.wayne-o23 wrote:
could someone tell me how to use the m95 properly,
So:
DON'T engage in long range sniper duels, you will loose most time.
DON'T go into close combat, you will die.
DO shot choppers and driving jeeps, vodniks, humvees. You definitely DO damage. Especially the attack choppers are good targets, since they will have problems spotting you. Maybe you won't take them down, but you're definitely helping your team.
If you can't give head-shots don't do it. Simply shoot and be fast. There are so many dumb players running around wounded, easy kills with the M95. Its not the best gun, but when you know your strength, you can do some serious trouble. But alas, there are better weapons.
Thats pure nonsense. In fact the semi autos do 40 damage to an unarmored player (if the head is not hit), thats 3 shots to kill. 4 for an armored target. The Bolts do either 95 or 60 damage, which results in 2 shots for a kill. The difference is, that a good semi shooter hits his target about 4 to 5 times, before the Bolt-Action-Experts have even taken their second shot. Plus the increased chance of hitting a head in 4 or 5 shots compared to 2. Everybody can do the math himself. Some Bolt-Actions are more precise, thats true, but the damage is not a problem at all. 40 damage is more than enough.James-M-II wrote:
whoever uses semi needs a proper lesson with the bolt lol semi just does no damage....
Well, the whole point of using semi-auto's is because you have a higher chance of hitting in the head. If youre going for body shots, id use a boltaction because you can pop out your pistol afterwards. Thats even quicker than semi-auto.General Breetai wrote:
Thats pure nonsense. In fact the semi autos do 40 damage to an unarmored player (if the head is not hit), thats 3 shots to kill. 4 for an armored target. The Bolts do either 95 or 60 damage, which results in 2 shots for a kill. The difference is, that a good semi shooter hits his target about 4 to 5 times, before the Bolt-Action-Experts have even taken their second shot. Plus the increased chance of hitting a head in 4 or 5 shots compared to 2. Everybody can do the math himself. Some Bolt-Actions are more precise, thats true, but the damage is not a problem at all. 40 damage is more than enough.James-M-II wrote:
whoever uses semi needs a proper lesson with the bolt lol semi just does no damage....
The SVD and Type88 do 45 damage per round. The M24 and L96 do 95 damage. The M95 does 190 damage (95 damage vs human targets).General Breetai wrote:
Thats pure nonsense. In fact the semi autos do 40 damage to an unarmored player (if the head is not hit), thats 3 shots to kill. 4 for an armored target. The Bolts do either 95 or 60 damage, which results in 2 shots for a kill. The difference is, that a good semi shooter hits his target about 4 to 5 times, before the Bolt-Action-Experts have even taken their second shot. Plus the increased chance of hitting a head in 4 or 5 shots compared to 2. Everybody can do the math himself. Some Bolt-Actions are more precise, thats true, but the damage is not a problem at all. 40 damage is more than enough.James-M-II wrote:
whoever uses semi needs a proper lesson with the bolt lol semi just does no damage....
If a target is wearing body armor there is a reduction (40 less?) of the damage done by that round fired.
Not taking into account headshots, the bolt-action rifles will need 2 rounds on target to get a kill. The semi-auto's need 3 rounds (unarmored target) or 4 rounds (armored target).
According to [DUCKS]Black_Duck_1 it will take less time for the Bolts to make a Kill then the Semi's.
![[DUCKS]Black_Duck_1](http://shormanm.home.mchsi.com/weapon-chart.jpg){kind=link}
The whole point of using semiauto is because you get a shot for each click.Jemme101 wrote:
According to [DUCKS]Black_Duck_1 it will take less time for the Bolts to make a Kill then the Semi's.
Practice3wayne-o23 wrote:
...could someone tell me how to use the m95 properly, I'm useless with it, the cross hair is too big to get head shots?
That's really the bulk of the practical advice you can get if you can already shoot okay with the other rifles that feature a crosshair reticle. But take a look at the links in my sig for some more info that you may not know already.
I used to be the same, until I started playing SF a lot. No L96A1 = renewed love of the M24tahadar wrote:
I'm so used to the L96A1, i choose it in all settings
Well this might depend on exactly how close you mean but plenty of combat snipers do quite well with the M95... and most players going sniper in SF will pick it on the sides where the M24 isn't available.General Breetai wrote:
DON'T go into close combat, you will die.
And with the M95 taking all infantry down to 2 bars it actually has an edge over the other two bolt-actions against armoured infantry classes; this can make all the difference between living and dying in short-range contests if you're going for the quick pistol coup de grace.
I think you'll find he meant that euphemisticallyGeneral Breetai wrote:
Thats pure nonsense. In fact the semi autos do 40 damage to an unarmored player...James-M-II wrote:
...semi just does no damage....
It really depends, on a map like Dragon Valley I'll use my L96, but on Masthuur it's SVD whorage.
bluh- too long - no paragraphsGeneral Breetai wrote:
It simply depends on your playing style. I have over 6.000 kills with sniper rifles and most of them by the use of the SVD, which I consider to be the best one for my playing style. Semi-Auto gives you the advantage of versatility, you can be effective at anywhere from middle to long ranges as also in very close range. With the pistol you are mostly dead in a 1:1 situation, if you didn't catch the enemy from behind. With my SVD I win about 60% of every close combat duell. I need 3 shots (4 if target is armored) and I usually need less then a second for that. With that in mind I can cap flags, can go to the front line and can change my position very fast. Perfect for my playing style, since I consider it to be to boring to wait and wait for a victim.
The bolt actions are almost useless in close combat, since it is more often luck than anything else to hit the enemy's head if he is jumping around. After you fired your shot, you will be dead even before you have drawn the pistol.
So the (only) advantage with bolt action is range. Clearly the M24/L96A1 are better at ranges above 200m. But give it a thought about how effective you really are. How many of those you snipe will be reanimated, because the jumping medic is too difficult to hit at such a long range ? You help the team if you press the attack or if you can defend a point. If you simply lie around in a secret place, generating more and more kills without ticket loss for the enemy, you play for yourself, not for the team.
And finally, if you catch a sniper on a crane, a high roof or a hill with his shiny, precise L96A1 with just one simple shot of your puny little Type 88, this is really, really sweet. I would give my 2 Sniper unlocks away for the possibility to use an SVD as USMC. Actually I often check a dead enemy sniper for his weapon, sometimes I'm lucky.
Thats something I wanna see at 200 meter distance. And you are NOT quicker than the semi-auto. Drawing time for the pistol is 0.8 seconds, even if you don't hesitate to switch fast and don't need to aim. Thats more than I need to do the two additional shots at close range. But hey, there is no need for a debate, everybody can choose which tactic suits him best.iPoon.be wrote:
Well, the whole point of using semi-auto's is because you have a higher chance of hitting in the head. If you're going for body shots, id use a bolt action because you can pop out your pistol after wards. Thats even quicker than semi-auto.
And the point is ? You really think that it takes 0.1 seconds for an M24 to kill a target, if you don't hit the head ?!? I don't know the origin of such claims, but I find them more than strange.Jemme101 wrote:
According to [DUCKS]Black_Duck_1 it will take less time for the Bolts to make a Kill then the Semi's.
That is a valid point and also the point why I prefer M95 over the M24. It always leaves 2 bars, not only with unarmored targets. The problem (for me) is the pistol drawing time. Especially since I don't bunny hop (which I find ridiculous). This is at least a second and a second can be very long.Todd_Angelo wrote:
And with the M95 taking all infantry down to 2 bars it actually has an edge over the other two bolt-actions against armored infantry classes; this can make all the difference between living and dying in short-range contests if you're going for the quick pistol coup de grace.
Yes he did. But nonetheless it was a bad argument.I think you'll find he meant that euphemistically
Nobody asked you to read it. If you only wanna hear short sentenced opinions, there are plenty to find, no need to bother others.CoronadoSEAL wrote:
bluh- too long - no paragraphs
hmm it also says you can get 600 rounds a min with m24,m95 and l96a1Jemme101 wrote:
According to [DUCKS]Black_Duck_1 it will take less time for the Bolts to make a Kill then the Semi's.
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The difference between him and you is he tests and checks everything and doesnt come up with false data.General Breetai wrote:
And the point is ? You really think that it takes 0.1 seconds for an M24 to kill a target, if you don't hit the head ?!? I don't know the origin of such claims, but I find them more than strange.Jemme101 wrote:
According to [DUCKS]Black_Duck_1 it will take less time for the Bolts to make a Kill then the Semi's.
I am not sure if that was tested by him. It looks more like a spec from the game data. Some sort of reference or something. A cyclic rate couldnt be tested in any case with the rifle in my opinion. I was thinking about asking him this same question.Chillin&killin wrote:
hmm it also says you can get 600 rounds a min with m24,m95 and l96a1Jemme101 wrote:
According to [DUCKS]Black_Duck_1 it will take less time for the Bolts to make a Kill then the Semi's.
Out of all the supposed "expert snipers" in this thread, you seem to have the better ratio with a sniper rifle. Good stuff.tahadar wrote:
I'm so used to the L96A1, i choose it in all settings
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People forget that the bolts zoom farther.
Even with that EDIT you are still wrongkiller21 wrote:
Out of all the supposed "expert snipers" in this thread, you seem to have the better ratio with a sniper rifle. Good stuff.tahadar wrote:
I'm so used to the L96A1, i choose it in all settings
If you're going to play sniper, at least engage the enemy snipers. If you don't do that, you fail.General Breetai wrote:
Use its strength and know its weaknesses. Thats the whole point. As stated before I prefer the SVD, but the M95 has three advantages: It reloads faster than the M24. It ALWAYS does 95 damage, regardless of body armor. It can damage choppers. It also has weaknesses: It reloads slowly in comparison to the semi-autos, it is not as precise as the M24/L96A1, it has a very specific sound.wayne-o23 wrote:
could someone tell me how to use the m95 properly,
So:
DON'T engage in long range sniper duels, you will loose most time.
DON'T go into close combat, you will die.
DO shot choppers and driving jeeps, vodniks, humvees. You definitely DO damage. Especially the attack choppers are good targets, since they will have problems spotting you. Maybe you won't take them down, but you're definitely helping your team.
If you can't give head-shots don't do it. Simply shoot and be fast. There are so many dumb players running around wounded, easy kills with the M95. Its not the best gun, but when you know your strength, you can do some serious trouble. But alas, there are better weapons.
as a sniper, i always take out (1st, enemy AT'ers targeting my friendly armour, then snipers, then medics/squad leaders, spec ops, support, then anything else. Emplaced gunners or guys in HMVess rank pretty high too. people insult snipers, mainly cos they get dicked by them
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
There's nothing 'supposed' about anyone who has Expert Sniper Combat and/or Expert Sniper Specialist if they earned the awards honestly (playing the kit as infantry). That makes them experts as far as the general standard of gameplay goes.killer21 wrote:
Out of all the supposed "expert snipers" in this thread...
I shouldn't need to remind you that lots of people get expert combat medals in vehicles of some kind because they have to. 35-38 kills in one round is considered a stiff requirement by many players, even if you think that's easy. Come to that, please go into a few servers (normal & IO) play as sniper on foot for the entire round and let's see some screenshots of your l33t scores. May I suggest Karkand, Wake, Sharqi, Warlord and Ghost Town.
KDR is related to how one plays as much as skill (bearing in mind it can be manipulated upwards quite easily, and very dramatically... just like WLR can ). For guys who favour a more in-your-face style of play thinking of them in the same ballpark as assault is more appropriate.killer21 wrote:
...you seem to have the better ratio with a sniper rifle. Good stuff.
They do? I didn't know that.Phantom2828 wrote:
People forget that the bolts zoom farther.
Roger that. I think that should be one of the key tasks any sniper sets himself.greenhaven wrote:
If you're going to play sniper, at least engage the enemy snipers. If you don't do that, you fail.
BTW, my new G5 is set for delivery earlier than expected so I might be available this weekend.
Oh fuck I thought we've done away with this thread.
Okay, I wanted to stay polite and let you see reason for yourself. But since you ask for it: The tables about the sniper guns are simple rubbish and everybody who played the game for more than an hour can see this at once. A Fire rate of the Sniper Guns of 600 Shots per minute ? Thats a joke, nothing else. This is so clearly wrong, it shouldn't even be discussed. Consider UBAR if you don't believe me. It doesn't make a difference if the semi-autos deal 40 or 45 damage (what you consider so badly false data), it still needs 3 shots to kill (or 4 for an armored target). But to think a Bolt-Action gun would have a rate of fire as an automatic, thats a different story.Jemme101 wrote:
The difference between him and you is he tests and checks everything and doesn't come up with false data.
Then maybe you should do so, before making claims, which are impossible to proof.Jemme101 wrote:
I was thinking about asking him this same question.
I don't agree, even if it sounds illogical at first. The problem is, that in a duel of sniper vs. sniper, you are in disadvantage with the M95. You are not precise and you are not fast. The other bolts are more precise, the semi-autos are faster. You will loose more often than win, at least if you are playing a sniper of your own skill. The question was, what to do with the M95. And the answer is, that you should do, what other snipers can't. When I'm lying with my SVD, I can kill infantry after infantry, especially snipers, but I'm totally helpless against choppers. The M95 can damage a chopper seriously. Thats an advantage to use. If you want to go after snipers, choose another weapon.greenhaven wrote:
If you're going to play sniper, at least engage the enemy snipers. If you don't do that, you fail.
When I use the M95 AND I see a sniper, who hasn't seen me, okay, then I kill him. But if he knows where I am, I try not to directly engage him. Since I will most likely die, loose a ticket for my team. The idea is to always have the advantage and avoid fights where you are in a disadvantage. At least thats how I play the game.
I don't snipe on Karkand. I only snipe on Jalalabad and maybe Surge and/or Mass Destruction. All the other maps, I have a assault rifle or MG in my hand. I rarely, if ever, takes screenshots of my scores when I am sniping because it really isn't all that important to me. I think I have a pretty good ratio with a sniper rifle considering I just started sniping last month on a regular basis. Anyone that plays with me can tell you how deadly I am with a rifle. But to satisfy your need, I will get some screenshots and post them just for you.Todd_Angelo wrote:
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35-38 kills in one round is considered a stiff requirement by many players, even if you think that's easy. Come to that, please go into a few servers (normal & IO) play as sniper on foot for the entire round and let's see some screenshots of your l33t scores.
kill yourselfgreenhaven wrote:
L85a1.
bitch any gun with scope and cross hairs and some bitchs that will run into it
and whats with this damage crap dude, all u need is 1 shot but for normal people i guess it takes u 2-3 shots
WOoKie
and whats with this damage crap dude, all u need is 1 shot but for normal people i guess it takes u 2-3 shots
WOoKie
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Eh wow I am so impressed by your logic and explanation; the tables are rubish ....General Breetai wrote:
Okay, I wanted to stay polite and let you see reason for yourself. But since you ask for it: The tables about the sniper guns are simple rubbish and everybody who played the game for more than an hour can see this at once. A Fire rate of the Sniper Guns of 600 Shots per minute ? Thats a joke, nothing else. This is so clearly wrong, it shouldn't even be discussed. Consider UBAR if you don't believe me. It doesn't make a difference if the semi-autos deal 40 or 45 damage (what you consider so badly false data), it still needs 3 shots to kill (or 4 for an armored target). But to think a Bolt-Action gun would have a rate of fire as an automatic, thats a different story.Jemme101 wrote:
The difference between him and you is he tests and checks everything and doesn't come up with false data.
Those rubish tables by Duck have been around longer than you have been playing this game. They also have been updated with every patch and everybodies input at TotalBF2 from the start which comes down to 10 months and hundreds of people. Hey but what do they know right, you got it all figured out with your UBAR info.
UBAR still needs to be updated on so many points it isnt even funny anymore. It still has a passage in their where they question the very existence of bulletdrop
anybody who has played more than an hour ...
Between my public accounts and clanmatches I must have played over 2000 hours in this game. How much did you play again?
A Fire rate of the Sniper Guns of 600 Shots per minute ... partial reading FTW I guess ...
It doesn't make a difference if the semi-autos deal 40 or 45 damage ...Jemme101 wrote:
I am not sure if that was tested by him. It looks more like a spec from the game data. Some sort of reference or something. A cyclic rate couldnt be tested in any case with the rifle in my opinion. I was thinking about asking him this same question.Chillin&killin wrote:
hmm it also says you can get 600 rounds a min with m24,m95 and l96a1Jemme101 wrote:
According to [DUCKS]Black_Duck_1 it will take less time for the Bolts to make a Kill then the Semi's.
You were correcting James-M-II with numbers to back up your story. If you do so you better make sure they are correct before misinforming him and others.
The added deviation per shot fired with a semi was conveniently left out in that reply to James-M-II.
The 'claims' are not mine and neither do I have to prove them. The feedback by the posters in that thread and the updates by Black_Duck_1 is all I need. When and where I will ask him about the 600 number is for me to decide and not some douche like you.General Breetai wrote:
Then maybe you should do so, before making claims, which are impossible to proof.Jemme101 wrote:
I was thinking about asking him this same question.
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