Only if you don't see violation of international law as a crime.kr@cker wrote:
there wasn't, even assuming the sc is correct you'd still have to prove criminal intent, you'd have to show that the admin knew the actions to be illegal and purposefully committed them anyway, as opposed to just showing their interpretation wrongusmarine2007 wrote:
I just want to know where the crime is?Bertster7 wrote:
This topic has been gone over and over and every notable legal authority has interpreted this the same way. You may not agree with the rights laid down by the convention but they are there and are legally binding. This is a very clear cut issue, arguing about it won't change the facts.
wait, what was the topic? something about iran switching yo-yo's?
Fancy is so good at derailing threads, and we fell for it once again.kr@cker wrote:
wait, what was the topic? something about iran switching yo-yo's?
this was his doing? i sorta skipped the second and third pages
Just spotted that. Very subtle.kr@cker wrote:
this was his doing? i sorta skipped the second and third pages
On page 2:kr@cker wrote:
this was his doing? i sorta skipped the second and third pages
This is the last Ill contribute to this derailment. I promiseFancy_Pollux wrote:
Because America is just like Nazi Germany, right?
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I wasn't derailing the thread, I was simply pointing out the idiocy of oug's comments and basically removing any credibility he might have here. If we wants to interject his little the "US will create a fancy pretext for invasion" comments, then the rest of the thread should be aware that he thinks America today and Nazi Germany are exactly the same, and, as a result, know that his opinion holds no weight. No one here should get away with such idiotic statements.SpaceApollyon wrote:
On page 2:kr@cker wrote:
this was his doing? i sorta skipped the second and third pagesThis is the last Ill contribute to this derailment. I promiseFancy_Pollux wrote:
Because America is just like Nazi Germany, right?
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ANWR would affect our economy significantly if oil was discovered there and so would new technologies in oil shale drilling. Therefore having Iran switching to the Euro no big deal because the U.S. would become more oil independent and not need to import oil from anywhere but our allies therefore stabilizing the oil market for the U.S. in turn making the economy better.Bertster7 wrote:
ANWR isn't really on topic either.
It's about oil, but totally unrelated. Just as many people will continue to buy oil from Iran, this thread is (should be) about economics.
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along with the record depth well in the gulf that just opened estimated to double the US oil reserve, and the race to drill the marianas which in turn is estimated to hold enough to supply the US for another 200 years (not a US holding, but the point is it's not middle eastern, and is being heavily pursued by US based companies)Colfax wrote:
ANWR would affect our economy significantly if oil was discovered there and so would new technologies in oil shale drilling. Therefore having Iran switching to the Euro no big deal because the U.S. would become more oil independent and not need to import oil from anywhere but our allies therefore stabilizing the oil market for the U.S. in turn making the economy better.Bertster7 wrote:
ANWR isn't really on topic either.
It's about oil, but totally unrelated. Just as many people will continue to buy oil from Iran, this thread is (should be) about economics.
Once the U.S. becomes oil independent i don't think it matters what happens in the Middle East anymore. Dollar to Euro or anything. Thats why this is on topic. In 200 years we better have a new source of energy by then so i for see the United States being just fine.kr@cker wrote:
along with the record depth well in the gulf that just opened estimated to double the US oil reserve, and the race to drill the marianas which in turn is estimated to hold enough to supply the US for another 200 years (not a US holding, but the point is it's not middle eastern, and is being heavily pursued by US based companies)Colfax wrote:
ANWR would affect our economy significantly if oil was discovered there and so would new technologies in oil shale drilling. Therefore having Iran switching to the Euro no big deal because the U.S. would become more oil independent and not need to import oil from anywhere but our allies therefore stabilizing the oil market for the U.S. in turn making the economy better.Bertster7 wrote:
ANWR isn't really on topic either.
It's about oil, but totally unrelated. Just as many people will continue to buy oil from Iran, this thread is (should be) about economics.
That still doesn't impact the situation. The US buys very little, if any, oil from Iran. It is all about other countries buying dollars to buy oil. At the moment the change is not too significant, but it could be very significant in the near future. This will contribute to the fall of the dollar, which will encourage more of OPEC to switch to the Euro, especially if it works out well for Iran. If all oil trading throughout the world is conducted in Euros rather than dollars then the US will be losing out massively.kr@cker wrote:
along with the record depth well in the gulf that just opened estimated to double the US oil reserve, and the race to drill the marianas which in turn is estimated to hold enough to supply the US for another 200 years (not a US holding, but the point is it's not middle eastern, and is being heavily pursued by US based companies)Colfax wrote:
ANWR would affect our economy significantly if oil was discovered there and so would new technologies in oil shale drilling. Therefore having Iran switching to the Euro no big deal because the U.S. would become more oil independent and not need to import oil from anywhere but our allies therefore stabilizing the oil market for the U.S. in turn making the economy better.Bertster7 wrote:
ANWR isn't really on topic either.
It's about oil, but totally unrelated. Just as many people will continue to buy oil from Iran, this thread is (should be) about economics.
Nothing in any way associated with the US oil reserves is relevant to this. It is about other countries buying oil. The rest of the worlds oil purchases outweigh the US's.
There is no scenario where this is good for the US.
How long do you think it will be before the entire world just uses the same currency?
Even with absolute US oil self sufficiency, if OPEC runs off Euros instead of the dollar the US will be worse off than they currently are.Colfax wrote:
Once the U.S. becomes oil independent i don't think it matters what happens in the Middle East anymore. Dollar to Euro or anything. Thats why this is on topic. In 200 years we better have a new source of energy by then so i for see the United States being just fine.kr@cker wrote:
along with the record depth well in the gulf that just opened estimated to double the US oil reserve, and the race to drill the marianas which in turn is estimated to hold enough to supply the US for another 200 years (not a US holding, but the point is it's not middle eastern, and is being heavily pursued by US based companies)Colfax wrote:
ANWR would affect our economy significantly if oil was discovered there and so would new technologies in oil shale drilling. Therefore having Iran switching to the Euro no big deal because the U.S. would become more oil independent and not need to import oil from anywhere but our allies therefore stabilizing the oil market for the U.S. in turn making the economy better.
It's really nothing to do with US oil reserves. It is to do with international currency markets. Which US self sufficiency in oil will not affect. If a nation does not have a stable currency the rest of the economy must be brought into line to reflect that. The collapse of the dollar would have enormous international reprecussions.
ANY prison can be argued to be a concentration camp. That makes your argument completely irrelevant. What is not irrelevant, however, is that you think America today and Nazi Germany are no different:oug wrote:
I'm pretty sure you don't make soap out of prisoners there. But the conditions under which detainees are held is completely irrelevant and in no way alters the fact that Guantanamo is a concentration camp.
I would suggest that you stick to the original definition of the word, and try not to confuse it with any impression that you might have (regarding German concentration camps of WWII). The same goes for usmarine and cyborg ninja.
oug wrote:
Its funny how the americans think they made europe a favour in WWII.
Its time to realise that you are today what germany was back in '39. So do your thing, and the rest of us will do our thing. At least the germans weren't looking for sympathy while trying to conquer the world.
It fascinates me that you continue to post as if people still value your opinion after making such outrageous statements.oug wrote:
I must however stand by what I said about Germany and the USA doing the same thing then and now. I think there's only one thing a superpower can do if they do not want to lose their status and position. So I'm not blaming anyone really, after all I think any country in your position would have the exact same policy. All I'm saying is you cannot expect the people you enslave to love you.
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It won't happen, not in the foreseeable future. Currencies are an important tool for individual nations to balance their economies.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
How long do you think it will be before the entire world just uses the same currency?
You mean this definition? ..........a camp where non-combatants of a district are accommodated,oug wrote:
I would suggest that you stick to the original definition of the word, and try not to confuse it with any impression that you might have (regarding German concentration camps of WWII). The same goes for usmarine and cyborg ninja.
How are these guys non-combatants of a district?
Do not waste your breath on oug. He is so hopelessly biased that you should not even consider his posts. He thinks we are Nazi Germany...come on.usmarine2007 wrote:
You mean this definition? ..........a camp where non-combatants of a district are accommodated,oug wrote:
I would suggest that you stick to the original definition of the word, and try not to confuse it with any impression that you might have (regarding German concentration camps of WWII). The same goes for usmarine and cyborg ninja.
How are these guys non-combatants of a district?
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except for the one where OPEC dries up like all the hippies are yelling it will and north america and asia have all the oil to sellBertster7 wrote:
That still doesn't impact the situation. The US buys very little, if any, oil from Iran. It is all about other countries buying dollars to buy oil. At the moment the change is not too significant, but it could be very significant in the near future. This will contribute to the fall of the dollar, which will encourage more of OPEC to switch to the Euro, especially if it works out well for Iran. If all oil trading throughout the world is conducted in Euros rather than dollars then the US will be losing out massively.kr@cker wrote:
along with the record depth well in the gulf that just opened estimated to double the US oil reserve, and the race to drill the marianas which in turn is estimated to hold enough to supply the US for another 200 years (not a US holding, but the point is it's not middle eastern, and is being heavily pursued by US based companies)Colfax wrote:
ANWR would affect our economy significantly if oil was discovered there and so would new technologies in oil shale drilling. Therefore having Iran switching to the Euro no big deal because the U.S. would become more oil independent and not need to import oil from anywhere but our allies therefore stabilizing the oil market for the U.S. in turn making the economy better.
Nothing in any way associated with the US oil reserves is relevant to this. It is about other countries buying oil. The rest of the worlds oil purchases outweigh the US's.
There is no scenario where this is good for the US.
oug wrote:
I honestly cannot see how you came to that conclusion out of what I said. Gitmo is not any prison. Not anyone ends up there. It is pretty different that say San Quentin. And changing your posts won't help.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
ANY prison can be argued to be a concentration camp. That makes your argument completely irrelevant.oug wrote:
I'm pretty sure you don't make soap out of prisoners there. But the conditions under which detainees are held is completely irrelevant and in no way alters the fact that Guantanamo is a concentration camp.
I would suggest that you stick to the original definition of the word, and try not to confuse it with any impression that you might have (regarding German concentration camps of WWII). The same goes for usmarine and cyborg ninja.
This is the definition of "concentration camp":oug wrote:
But the conditions under which detainees are held is completely irrelevant and in no way alters the fact that Guantanamo is a concentration camp.
I would suggest that you stick to the original definition of the word, and try not to confuse it with any impression that you might have (regarding German concentration camps of WWII).
A camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined
Again, like I said, ANY prison can labeled as a concentration camp. The difference here is that explicitly said that America is just like Nazi Germany. Explain that.
Does not matter where a US base is located, it is considered US soil.oug wrote:
The truth is Fancy, that you know why Guantanamo is different that all the other prisons. You know why it is a concentration camp and you know why it is located in Cuba and not in American soil. You also know that it is illegal in your country to hold anyone without pressing charges for 4 years and at the same time refusing to appoint them legal representation. Your attempt to cloud the obvious is innefective to say the least, and it only works on idiots. I dare you to face the facts and stop quoting irrelevant (and out of context) stuff in order to make a point.
Pollux.. you see nazis everywhere..
you are obsessed with the nazis
it was over 60 years ago.. they are all dead now
don't be so scared.. there is no nazi here..
repeat after me.. there is no nazi around me.. there is no nazi around me
nobody will hurt you.. you are safe.. you live in the most powerful country in the world... no nazi or arab terrorist will be able to hurt you..
now go find in the archives that special post of me and paste it here..
you are obsessed with the nazis
it was over 60 years ago.. they are all dead now
don't be so scared.. there is no nazi here..
repeat after me.. there is no nazi around me.. there is no nazi around me
nobody will hurt you.. you are safe.. you live in the most powerful country in the world... no nazi or arab terrorist will be able to hurt you..
now go find in the archives that special post of me and paste it here..
What exactly am I clouding? I did not say that Guantanamo wasn't a concentration camp. Are you making up some argument in your head and responding to that? Read my posts, then read your responses.oug wrote:
The truth is Fancy, that you know why Guantanamo is different that all the other prisons. You know why it is a concentration camp and you know why it is located in Cuba and not in American soil. You also know that it is illegal in your country to hold anyone without pressing charges for 4 years and at the same time refusing to appoint them legal representation. Your attempt to cloud the obvious is innefective to say the least, and it only works on idiots. I dare you to face the facts and stop quoting irrelevant (and out of context) stuff in order to make a point.
I did nothing but point out your lack of credibility. You think America is like Nazi Germany. Explain that. Explain how I could've possibly taken those quotes out of context?
Here they are again, in all their glory:
oug wrote:
Its funny how the americans think they made europe a favour in WWII.
Its time to realise that you are today what germany was back in '39. So do your thing, and the rest of us will do our thing. At least the germans weren't looking for sympathy while trying to conquer the world.
oug wrote:
I must however stand by what I said about Germany and the USA doing the same thing then and now. I think there's only one thing a superpower can do if they do not want to lose their status and position. So I'm not blaming anyone really, after all I think any country in your position would have the exact same policy. All I'm saying is you cannot expect the people you enslave to love you.
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[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
Pollux.. you see nazis everywhere..
you are obsessed with the nazis
it was over 60 years ago.. they are all dead now
don't be so scared.. there is no nazi here..
repeat after me.. there is no nazi around me.. there is no nazi around me
nobody will hurt you.. you are safe.. you live in the most powerful country in the world... no nazi or arab terrorist will be able to hurt you..
now go find in the archives that special post of me and paste it here..
B.Schuss wrote:
1. I don't think any sane person actually would believe that one could hold a non-biased conference on the holocaust in Iran, a country whose president has repeatedly denied it. That's a load of bullshit PR
2. so, Ausch means "austrian chainsaw", huh ? good one..
3. care to elaborate what the 88 stands for then. Let me guess, it's the year you were born...
to those outside the german-speaking world: the 88 is a number commonly used by neo-nazis. It represents the 8th letter of the alphabet, in double form. 88 = HH = Heil Hitler.
If he is from austria, he surely knows that. This is not a coincidence. Neither is his e-mail adress, which - not to my surprise - also contains the infamous 88. Let's see if he has the balls not to change it...
now, I may be totally wrong here, but for the moment, I shall disregard anything you put forward here, and consider you a neo-nazi. I have nothing to prove it, apart from some random numbers on the internet, and the crap you have posted so far, but that's enough for me.
Denial of the holocaust is a crime in germany, and for good reason.
If denial of the holocaust was a punishable forum rule, you'd be banned hours ago.
I never understood why people here are so obsessed with GITMO. I never see them post about prisons in Egypt, China, or anywhere else where it is not even close to the conditions in Cuba. This is not a "they are worse than us" statement, this is a why the fuck are you guys so obsessed with the US? My answer is, you are one track minded media sheep.
So now you're simply arguing that America is imperialistic? So, why specifically Nazi Germany? How are we "today what germany was back in '39"?oug wrote:
That completely derails the threat, (as does this whole conversation btw) but here goes: The US, same as all superpowers in history, like Rome, the Ottoman Empire, Byzantium etc including nazi Germany are similar in their attempt to control inferior nations (each using different methods according to the spirit of the time).Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Again, like I said, ANY prison can labeled as a concentration camp. The difference here is that explicitly said that America is just like Nazi Germany. Explain that.
I will delete this post (and others that are irrelevant with the OP) soon so that they don't interfere with the conversation.
Please actually address your America = Nazi Germany claims. You keep casually ignoring them.
oug wrote:
Its funny how the americans think they made europe a favour in WWII.
Its time to realise that you are today what germany was back in '39. So do your thing, and the rest of us will do our thing. At least the germans weren't looking for sympathy while trying to conquer the world.
How could anyone take anything you say seriously after reading that^?oug wrote:
I must however stand by what I said about Germany and the USA doing the same thing then and now. I think there's only one thing a superpower can do if they do not want to lose their status and position. So I'm not blaming anyone really, after all I think any country in your position would have the exact same policy. All I'm saying is you cannot expect the people you enslave to love you.
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You are still avoiding my question. You insist on labeling Gitmo as a "conentration camp", but only in its most basic definition? I guess it's just one big coincidence that you think America is no different than Nazi Germany as well? You are the epitome of what ruins legitimate debates. How ballsy do you have to be to just go into a thread an say America = Nazi Germany like it's no big deal? That is what I would call "childish behavior".oug wrote:
happy now? and ffs you act as if I talk only about the US. I have more than once told you that I consider all superpowers that have to be of the same mindset (including my own country). Yet, you insist on ignoring what I say and selectively focusing on what makes your argument. I'm tired of you and your childish behaviour. If you have anything useful to say in the future I'll be happy to debate. Otherwise have a nice day.
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