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oug wrote:

In post #127 I answered your question again. 

The US, same as all superpowers in history, like Rome, the Ottoman Empire, Byzantium etc including nazi Germany are similar in their attempt to control inferior nations (each using different methods according to the spirit of the time).

Explain:

oug wrote:

Its funny how the americans think they made europe a favour in WWII.

Its time to realise that you are today what germany was back in '39. So do your thing, and the rest of us will do our thing. At least the germans weren't looking for sympathy while trying to conquer the world.

oug wrote:

I must however stand by what I said about Germany and the USA doing the same thing then and now. I think there's only one thing a superpower can do if they do not want to lose their status and position. So I'm not blaming anyone really, after all I think any country in your position would have the exact same policy. All I'm saying is you cannot expect the people you enslave to love you.

We're just like Nazi Germany? Since when are we systematically exterminating millions of people? What land have we claimed? How are we "trying to conquer the world"?

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Bertster7 wrote:

Gitmo isn't a concentration camp.

It's not a nice place. It's all very dodgy and many things that are borderline illegal are reported to happen there, but it is not even in the same league as Nazi concentration camps. The US have quite an authoritarian regime, but not anything resembling the extreme fascist or communist governments of the last century (or even China today).

Absolutely true, but you're missing what oug is trying to do here. oug is using the most basic definition of "concentration camp", which can be applied to ANY prison, to draw a connection between America today and Nazi Germany of '39. It's the classic "zomg Americans are nazis and trying to take over the world" argument.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-12-19 11:45:30)

usmarine2007 wrote:

I never understood why people here are so obsessed with GITMO.  I never see them post about prisons in Egypt, China, or anywhere else where it is not even close to the conditions in Cuba.  This is not a "they are worse than us" statement, this is a why the fuck are you guys so obsessed with the US?  My answer is, you are one track minded media sheep.

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OMGZZZZZ they have sleep deprivation.........omgzzzznubzooorrrrr....they play load music..............omgzzzzzzzzzzpwnzoorrs...the torture...............hi my name is dumb nub and i have no life and hate America.

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oug wrote:

Now in turn lemme ask you this: What is Gitmo in your opinion? Do you think its legal?

Gitmo is where we keep terrorists not fighting under the flag of a country.  I would call it a detention center.  Legal?  Since this is fairly new, only time will tell.  I would say it is legal, since they are treated pretty good as compared to what it could be.  Let's remember, they were not trying to give US and British troops free puppies, they were trying to kill them.

and btw, anyone who has visited former german concentration camps would be ashamed to even think about making a comparison to gitmo...

people get released from gitmo. the only way out of a concentration camp was through a chimney...

get real, folks. gitmo might be borderline illegal and the status of the inmates debatable ( mostly the fact that they have no legal help and most have yet to face a trial ) but it is not even remotely close to a concentration camp.

B.Schuss wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Please people, don't make me close this thread, stay on topic. Gitmo fits the definitive definition of a concentration camp, if you want to argue the connotative semantics of a concentration camp start a new thread for it.

I wonder what you are going to do to close this thread...

the forum rules wrote:

19. Do not impersonate forum moderators or other BF2 players, be yourself. If there is a problem with a topic/post click the "Report" button on the bottom right hand side of the post, a moderator will take care of it A.S.A.P.

If you want to become a mod, I suggest you send chuy a PM.

btw, guess how I was notified of your post ? yeah, the "Report" button....

i think someone over-reacted when they reported him to you schuss, i took it as he was going to delete the OP or ask one of ya'll to close it for him


and yes your observations in your next post were spot on

B.Schuss wrote:

and btw, anyone who has visited former german concentration camps would be ashamed to even think about making a comparison to gitmo...

people get released from gitmo. the only way out of a concentration camp was through a chimney...

get real, folks. gitmo might be borderline illegal and the status of the inmates debatable ( mostly the fact that they have no legal help and most have yet to face a trial ) but it is not even remotely close to a concentration camp.

again (derailment continued) nobody is comparing gitmo to german concentration camps of the WWII era. All I said was that gitmo is a concentration camp and all of a sudden you all made the assumption that I was making some kind of comparison with the famous ones. The term applies to less cruel camps as well yes? As for its illegality, I doubt how this is a matter of debate.

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

oug wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

and btw, anyone who has visited former german concentration camps would be ashamed to even think about making a comparison to gitmo...

people get released from gitmo. the only way out of a concentration camp was through a chimney...

get real, folks. gitmo might be borderline illegal and the status of the inmates debatable ( mostly the fact that they have no legal help and most have yet to face a trial ) but it is not even remotely close to a concentration camp.

again (derailment continued) nobody is comparing gitmo to german concentration camps of the WWII era. All I said was that gitmo is a concentration camp and all of a sudden you all made the assumption that I was making some kind of comparison with the famous ones. The term applies to less cruel camps as well yes? As for its illegality, I doubt how this is a matter of debate.

You explicitly said that America = Nazi Germany. You are using the most basic definition of concentration camp, a prison, to apply this label to Gitmo and compare America to Nazi Germany. Say what you want about your usage of the word "concentration camp", it does not take away from the fact that you said America = Nazi Germany. Anyone with half a brain can clearly see you are throwing the word "concentration camp" around like that to draw your idiotic comparison.

The Red Cross did not visit Nazi concentration camps neither.

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-12-19 12:38:12)

[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

oug wrote:

again (derailment continued) nobody is comparing gitmo to german concentration camps of the WWII era. All I said was that gitmo is a concentration camp and all of a sudden you all made the assumption that I was making some kind of comparison with the famous ones. The term applies to less cruel camps as well yes? As for its illegality, I doubt how this is a matter of debate.

You explicitly said that America = Nazi Germany. You are using the most basic definition of concentration camp, a prison, to apply this label to Gitmo and compare America to Nazi Germany. Say what you want about your usage of the word "concentration camp", it does not take away from the fact that you said America = Nazi Germany. Anyone with half a brain can clearly see you are throwing the word "concentration camp" around like that to draw your idiotic comparison.

why do you keep posting things from other threads?  you are twisting the facts.

He said that gitmo is a concentration camp.. and hes right.. by definition.

The term "concentration camp" doesnt apply only to what the germans did to their political prisonners.

and if he compared america to nazi germany in another thread, thats his opinion and he probably didnt mean to compare the atrocity of the nazi regime to what bush is doing today.

you are quoting stuff posted months ago to prove your point but you fail every time.

now post another special post from me to show the world that i have no credibility.

(and remember.. the nazis are gone.. germany is an ally now.. you are safe.. you are safe..)

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B.Schuss wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Please people, don't make me close this thread, stay on topic. Gitmo fits the definitive definition of a concentration camp, if you want to argue the connotative semantics of a concentration camp start a new thread for it.

I wonder what you are going to do to close this thread...

the forum rules wrote:

19. Do not impersonate forum moderators or other BF2 players, be yourself. If there is a problem with a topic/post click the "Report" button on the bottom right hand side of the post, a moderator will take care of it A.S.A.P.

If you want to become a mod, I suggest you send chuy a PM.

btw, guess how I was notified of your post ? yeah, the "Report" button....

Its a general rule the creator of a thread can have it closed by the Mods. Stop trying to be clever with me.

usmarine2007 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Its a general rule the creator of a thread can have it closed by the Mods. Stop trying to be clever with me.

Or you can go to your first post and press the delete button.

That too.

Looks like other countries are preparing to switch as well.

Chavez seems very keen. Putin has also suggested it several times.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= … refer=home

This could be messy.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2006-12-19 16:36:00)

Turquoise wrote:

Yeah, we're probably going to invade Iran over this currency issue, but if we do, there are a few key things that must be done in order to prevent it from turning out like Iraq has....

One of the reasons why Iraq didn't work quite well, was for sure the underestimation of the differences between Sunnis and Shiites. Saddam kept them silent with the force of terror and annihilation, but the US can't do this since it would nullify their reason to invade Iraq, namely bringing peace and democracy. At first, US troops were welcomed by both parties, possibly hoping on their help. As they saw, however, that US troops didn't really make a difference between Sunnis and Shiites, they began to fight each other with all the hate and ferocity that have grown over the past years.
The problem now is that about 98% of all Iran's population belongs to Sunnis. The US Army would now go against a united Nation, the invasion itself would probably cause a lot more casualities among US troops than whole Iraq did. These operations would naturally consume an enormous amount of money.

Hm, did of you actually realize, what enormous defense for Iran this whole issue is?
I mean, if the US waited for some time and after a further recession they would attack Iran - I mean, that ought to look like a economically oriented war for nothing but own benefits. There have also been the accusations of greed on oil in Iraq already - and now?