Bush has done hardly anything good for this country. Since in office he has created more than a 3 Trillion dollar deficit. He sent our soldiers into a fucking desert to shoot a bunch of worthless insurgents.smtt686 wrote:
sooo your saying bush has done absolutely nothing to make you happy? not one little bill he has signed has anything promising towards your vision of happiness?IRONCHEF wrote:
More like: Ironchef = ANTI BUSH 100%. Ironchef = Anti-bad guys who crush cars, harrass, beat, kill, rape innocent Iraqis. And yes, Ironchef = no troops in Iraq..except usmarine2007, pollux, and gunslinger who can surely represent the finest America has to offer!
if you say no, your a liar
i was sure that we havent been attacked again since 9-11......did i miss something? did we get attacked again?IRONCHEF wrote:
Having tried to stay abreast of the various signing items he sneaks around his own congress, the partisan bills, and the attempts to legislate hate and intolerance...I've not seen a single thing he's done to promote my happiness. that includes the $400 check I received sometime after he took office. It was about the stupidest thing to do even though he inherited a massive surplus.smtt686 wrote:
sooo your saying bush has done absolutely nothing to make you happy? not one little bill he has signed has anything promising towards your vision of happiness?IRONCHEF wrote:
More like: Ironchef = ANTI BUSH 100%. Ironchef = Anti-bad guys who crush cars, harrass, beat, kill, rape innocent Iraqis. And yes, Ironchef = no troops in Iraq..except usmarine2007, pollux, and gunslinger who can surely represent the finest America has to offer!
if you say no, your a liar
But regardless...even if he did sign bills that actually benefitted me, my family, and my community...the gross incompetence and wreckless abandon of his job duties (protect constitution, be the presiding politician in world affairs, being an honest executive in chief, etc) FAR, FAR outweighs anything good he's done. I liked when he put his arm around that guy in the rubble of the WTC. But as soon as I figured out it was just a photo op like so many done so shamelessly...and that he failed completely to accomplish ANY of the promises made in that rubble..you get the picture.
I mentioned to my wife yesterday as we watched the end segment of "Flight 93" being showed on TV, "Here we are watching a movie about our greatest national tragedy of recent history..after these film makers and all the other film makers of the various other shameful '9/11' movies waited a few years before raking in the dough capitalizing on those events...and the guy that caused it all is sitting comfortably somewhere, protected by a huge population, probably watching these movies and laughing...and George Bush, the tough cowboy politician who is supposed to be the best president to handle terrorism, who's sworn countless times to bring the evildoers to justice...he's sitting in his oval office choking on pretzels doing NOTHING to get said evil doers. "
Just thought that was interesting.
are you happy when you arent being blown up?? or are you happy when you are being blown up?
well promoting your happiness might have something to do with national security......after all happiness doesnt mean shit if your on fire or exploding or any manner of death.....
but hey in make believe world we can kiss everyones ass and it will all be OK......hell if it were up to john kerry we would be friends with those fucking animals....personally im glad to have people in this country that will step up for what is right, not sit around and make attacks because theyre butt hurt over an election.
i respect every single person that goes to fight for this country....unfortunatly you see them as "bad people".......lol so how do you label terrorists? "really bad"? or are they the good ones?
the way you spout you would think that you cant wait to see patriots from this country die.
unfortunatly the troops cant choose who they provide protection for. so while you sit and run your mouth in your nice warm house in your nice big state in your nice big country with all those great freedoms.....just remember that it is the people that you bash that protect those freedoms you hold so dear.
Just thought that was interesting.
"The idea of building up of U.S. Navy forces has been discussed over some time and it's unclear when a decision will be made, the defense official said.
The aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower is already in the region. It left the United States in late September with four other Norfolk-based ships and submarines carrying 6,500 sailors.
The flotilla headed to the Mediterranean Sea and eventually went to relieve the Norfolk-based aircraft carrier USS Enterprise strike group, which was in the region supporting operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Also, the U.S. in late October led a naval training exercise aimed at blocking smuggling of nuclear weapons in the Persian Gulf.
The six-nation maneuvers off the coast of Iran were the first of their kind since North Korea's Oct. 9 nuclear test and U.N. sanctions that called on the international community to conduct searches at sea to ensure the reclusive communist nation is not secretly expanding its nuclear program.
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That sounds like a Tom Clancy novel I read. Not sure which one.
The aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower is already in the region. It left the United States in late September with four other Norfolk-based ships and submarines carrying 6,500 sailors.
The flotilla headed to the Mediterranean Sea and eventually went to relieve the Norfolk-based aircraft carrier USS Enterprise strike group, which was in the region supporting operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Also, the U.S. in late October led a naval training exercise aimed at blocking smuggling of nuclear weapons in the Persian Gulf.
The six-nation maneuvers off the coast of Iran were the first of their kind since North Korea's Oct. 9 nuclear test and U.N. sanctions that called on the international community to conduct searches at sea to ensure the reclusive communist nation is not secretly expanding its nuclear program.
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That sounds like a Tom Clancy novel I read. Not sure which one.
We're already staged for war with Iran. Our troops are surrounding them. We could and would shift our troops over to Iran if need be. The war would be an air war so ground troops wouldn't need to come into play for a few months at least. I actually think Iran has been our plan this whole time and Iraq, Afghanistan, were just a distraction/decoy.
And chef, quit being a pansy, these guys want you dead just as much as me. hehe pun intended.
And chef, quit being a pansy, these guys want you dead just as much as me. hehe pun intended.
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9/11 sounded rather like a Tom Clancy novel. I'm beginning to think that he isn't actually a author, but a terrorist mastermind!
Party party.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Party at Tehran! BYOB!
Here's a picture of guys that are on their way to enlist.
It's August 1914, and they're walking into a meatgrinder.
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Wrong. Usmarine hates all politicians and thinks Bush is a dumb ass, Clinton also. Usmarine also thinks we should pull out of Iraq. Usmarine also thinks we should let Europe and Asia deal with Iran.ncc6206 wrote:
I am starting to see a pattern here. Ironchef anti Bush and troop deployment. Usmarine2007 Pro Bush pro deployment. Time to stand back grab some popcorn and watch the flames build.usmarine2007 wrote:
Phayul X2IRONCHEF wrote:
yeah dude, great topic. get your rain boots out and your umbrella that you use as a make-believe weapon and go terrorize the neighborhood cats! Rrraaaaaarrrr!! Semper Fi!!
Your pattern failed.
lol, good reasoning. how many us soldiers have died since 9/11? we made their job easy. you have no idea how bad they're laughing. we've shredded our constitution, made a police state out of ourselves, plummeted ourselves into horrendous debt, made more enemies and inspired more militants than ever before. Do i feel safe? hell no. I did feel safe on 9/10/01. hell, i felt safe until 2003..and as the years have gone on, that safety has gone away.
WTC attack in '93....WTC destruction in 2001. is it reasonable to think that since the precedent for homeland attacks of 8 years that it would continue thus? do you know of any real attacks (not the Rovian created "threats" that popped up every time there was bad press against the white house) that were stopped that were on the scale of 9/11 or even close to it? please tell me how the absense of attacks has ANYTHING to do with Bush. I'll tell you what...go to the Port of Oakland in Alameda, California. Show me how anything Bush has done has made those cargo containers less likely to be carrying a WMD.
WTC attack in '93....WTC destruction in 2001. is it reasonable to think that since the precedent for homeland attacks of 8 years that it would continue thus? do you know of any real attacks (not the Rovian created "threats" that popped up every time there was bad press against the white house) that were stopped that were on the scale of 9/11 or even close to it? please tell me how the absense of attacks has ANYTHING to do with Bush. I'll tell you what...go to the Port of Oakland in Alameda, California. Show me how anything Bush has done has made those cargo containers less likely to be carrying a WMD.
I bet more of them died than us. 5 dollars? *shake on it?IRONCHEF wrote:
lol, good reasoning. how many us soldiers have died since 9/11? we made their job easy. you have no idea how bad they're laughing.
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I'll double that. 10 bucksKing_County_Downy wrote:
I bet more of them died than us. 5 dollars? *shake on it?IRONCHEF wrote:
lol, good reasoning. how many us soldiers have died since 9/11? we made their job easy. you have no idea how bad they're laughing.
The problem is, we are afraid to die, they aren't. Besides, what does that have to do with the successful campaign of OBL which is still continuing to go in his favor. I don't think he could have ever imagined a greater success than what is happening to this country now. 9/11 was nothing compared to the carnage he's caused to happen here, in Iraq... I imagine he'll pass out if we attack Iran and convince ourselves that "we're winning!" as we run out of soldiers because they're being handed their asses by an actual military presence who've waited 27 years for this. Sure we'll make pock marks all over a bunch of their cities, disrupt their electricity, bomb some schools we thought were barracks, etc, etc...but in the end...we'll have made Iraq look like a pin prick..and OBL will...die of laughter! ...aha! i see the genius of it all now! that was Bush's plan all along to get OBL...make him laugh to death!!!King_County_Downy wrote:
I bet more of them died than us. 5 dollars? *shake on it?IRONCHEF wrote:
lol, good reasoning. how many us soldiers have died since 9/11? we made their job easy. you have no idea how bad they're laughing.
Ok, that is fair. So, I have to ask, if you were president, how would you have went after bin laden and his group of merry men? How would you deal with Iran, Iraq, NK?IRONCHEF wrote:
and OBL will...die of laughter! ...aha! i see the genius of it all now! that was Bush's plan all along to get OBL...make him laugh to death!!!
If you think the war in Iraq is bad, Iran will be tens times worse.
I think they've said the only realistic thing we can do at this point in time militarily is to use air raids against the nuke-facilities.......
I think they've said the only realistic thing we can do at this point in time militarily is to use air raids against the nuke-facilities.......
Why do we (the US and its European allies) feel the need to stop them from building a legitimate energy infrastructure? I still don't get how the US and other nuclear powers feel the need to tell the world who can have nuclear power and who can't.Kmarion wrote:
The United States and its European allies are seeking sanctions against Iran because of its refusal to stop uranium enrichment, a technology that can be used to produce nuclear fuel for civilian purposes or fuel for a nuclear bomb.
Here's an idea - Why not formally have our Energy "Czar" meet with their Energy Minister and discuss ways on which the US can help them develop nuclear capabilities for civilian power purposes? I am sure it will cost us (the taxpayers) billions of dollars less than keeping another carrier group in the Persian Gulf. Oh, and it would help US-Iran foreign relations as well.
Clearly the United States Government and those who run it are trying to punish the Iranian Government for refusing to back the US dollar with oil. A childish reaction at best.
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Because Iran's president is openly proclaiming the annihilation of Israel and Iran supports terrorism.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Why do we (the US and its European allies) feel the need to stop them from building a legitimate energy infrastructure? I still don't get how the US and other nuclear powers feel the need to tell the world who can have nuclear power and who can't.Kmarion wrote:
The United States and its European allies are seeking sanctions against Iran because of its refusal to stop uranium enrichment, a technology that can be used to produce nuclear fuel for civilian purposes or fuel for a nuclear bomb.
I would say that the problem is that the entire world must know who has nuclear capabilities and it's my understanding that Iran would NOT let the inspectors in to verify that the uranium is going to "good" use, and not being used for nuclear weapons. And with their blatent threats towards the US and that fucked up spot on the map called Isreal, it would be best if they just didn't have those kinds of toys to play with.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Why do we (the US and its European allies) feel the need to stop them from building a legitimate energy infrastructure? I still don't get how the US and other nuclear powers feel the need to tell the world who can have nuclear power and who can't.
No Hans Brix, No Uranium for Iran.
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wow man, i feel sorry for you......it sounds like you are living in north korea.....maybe you should move....the way you talk about this horrible country i dont know why you are still living here......you know after 9-11 tom cruise made the statement that he wasnt going to live in the US because he didnt feel safe anymore....lol california must be a shithole......IRONCHEF wrote:
lol, good reasoning. how many us soldiers have died since 9/11? we made their job easy. you have no idea how bad they're laughing. we've shredded our constitution, made a police state out of ourselves, plummeted ourselves into horrendous debt, made more enemies and inspired more militants than ever before. Do i feel safe? hell no. I did feel safe on 9/10/01. hell, i felt safe until 2003..and as the years have gone on, that safety has gone away.
WTC attack in '93....WTC destruction in 2001. is it reasonable to think that since the precedent for homeland attacks of 8 years that it would continue thus? do you know of any real attacks (not the Rovian created "threats" that popped up every time there was bad press against the white house) that were stopped that were on the scale of 9/11 or even close to it? please tell me how the absense of attacks has ANYTHING to do with Bush. I'll tell you what...go to the Port of Oakland in Alameda, California. Show me how anything Bush has done has made those cargo containers less likely to be carrying a WMD.
oh and the absence of attacks would be related to our intelligence community.... you know, those great guys and gals at langley and ft meade.
i know i know, the cia doesnt do anything.....and thats ok to think, cause you only hear about the CIAs fuck ups dont you?
have you taken the time to do your research on what the cia has done in the war on terror???
im pretty sure you havent....it might contradict your beliefs.........
I understand that, and agree that the Regime in Iran needs to change, but that still doesn't give the US and other nuclear powers the right to tell other countries that they can't have nuclear power, not nuclear weapons.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Because Iran's president is openly proclaiming the annihilation of Israel and Iran supports terrorism.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Why do we (the US and its European allies) feel the need to stop them from building a legitimate energy infrastructure? I still don't get how the US and other nuclear powers feel the need to tell the world who can have nuclear power and who can't.Kmarion wrote:
The United States and its European allies are seeking sanctions against Iran because of its refusal to stop uranium enrichment, a technology that can be used to produce nuclear fuel for civilian purposes or fuel for a nuclear bomb.
Pakistan is a huge supporter/breeding ground/sponsor of terrorism, they have nuclear weapons, and we give them financial and military aid. Go figure.
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Did he really say that? Obviously changed his mind pretty quick then. Perhaps someone told him there weren't many Scientologists outside the US.Parker wrote:
wow man, i feel sorry for you......it sounds like you are living in north korea.....maybe you should move....the way you talk about this horrible country i dont know why you are still living here......you know after 9-11 tom cruise made the statement that he wasnt going to live in the US because he didnt feel safe anymore....lol california must be a shithole......IRONCHEF wrote:
lol, good reasoning. how many us soldiers have died since 9/11? we made their job easy. you have no idea how bad they're laughing. we've shredded our constitution, made a police state out of ourselves, plummeted ourselves into horrendous debt, made more enemies and inspired more militants than ever before. Do i feel safe? hell no. I did feel safe on 9/10/01. hell, i felt safe until 2003..and as the years have gone on, that safety has gone away.
WTC attack in '93....WTC destruction in 2001. is it reasonable to think that since the precedent for homeland attacks of 8 years that it would continue thus? do you know of any real attacks (not the Rovian created "threats" that popped up every time there was bad press against the white house) that were stopped that were on the scale of 9/11 or even close to it? please tell me how the absense of attacks has ANYTHING to do with Bush. I'll tell you what...go to the Port of Oakland in Alameda, California. Show me how anything Bush has done has made those cargo containers less likely to be carrying a WMD.
oh and the absence of attacks would be related to our intelligence community.... you know, those great guys and gals at langley and ft meade.
i know i know, the cia doesnt do anything.....and thats ok to think, cause you only hear about the CIAs fuck ups dont you?
have you taken the time to do your research on what the cia has done in the war on terror???
im pretty sure you havent....it might contradict your beliefs.........
Good thing I'm not president, huh? And would it matter if I did say what I'd do as president? Is there a right answer i could have given?usmarine2007 wrote:
Ok, that is fair. So, I have to ask, if you were president, how would you have went after bin laden and his group of merry men? How would you deal with Iran, Iraq, NK?IRONCHEF wrote:
and OBL will...die of laughter! ...aha! i see the genius of it all now! that was Bush's plan all along to get OBL...make him laugh to death!!!
I am smart enough to know (not in hindsight because i felt this way in 2002) that a ground invasion was not smart..especially with the small number of people sent to afghanistan. It's no wonder the Taliban are pretty much in control in many cities.
Word. Pakistan is easily as reckless and dangerous as Iran is (potentially). And pakistan's government can be taken over easily whereas Iran's is solid. Musharraf is not well-loved..and he hosts probably the most vile of terrorists there are who would love to run his government for him and use those nukes.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I understand that, and agree that the Regime in Iran needs to change, but that still doesn't give the US and other nuclear powers the right to tell other countries that they can't have nuclear power, not nuclear weapons.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Because Iran's president is openly proclaiming the annihilation of Israel and Iran supports terrorism.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Why do we (the US and its European allies) feel the need to stop them from building a legitimate energy infrastructure? I still don't get how the US and other nuclear powers feel the need to tell the world who can have nuclear power and who can't.
Pakistan is a huge supporter/breeding ground/sponsor of terrorism, they have nuclear powers, and we give them financial and military aid. Go figure.
I'm more afraid of nukes from pakistan than i am of iran. it would be nice if our leaders started making friends with both people of both countries because there's NOTHING we can do to stop it..and you're right, it is hypocritical to say someone can't have nuclear energy. and as a historic perspective, we were in the process of selling the Shah (Iran's pre-revolution leader) cold-water reactors for energy..just like clinton was doing in n korea in the early 90's.
You sure have faith in your country and its army. Osama's campaign? What is he doing now? Laughing? I doubt it. I think he's either dead or hiding under some rock. When was the last time he's done anything major to the US? How many other false warnings had he issued since 911?IRONCHEF wrote:
The problem is, we are afraid to die, they aren't. Besides, what does that have to do with the successful campaign of OBL which is still continuing to go in his favor. I don't think he could have ever imagined a greater success than what is happening to this country now. 9/11 was nothing compared to the carnage he's caused to happen here, in Iraq... I imagine he'll pass out if we attack Iran and convince ourselves that "we're winning!" as we run out of soldiers because they're being handed their asses by an actual military presence who've waited 27 years for this. Sure we'll make pock marks all over a bunch of their cities, disrupt their electricity, bomb some schools we thought were barracks, etc, etc...but in the end...we'll have made Iraq look like a pin prick..and OBL will...die of laughter! ...aha! i see the genius of it all now! that was Bush's plan all along to get OBL...make him laugh to death!!!
Carnage in Iraq? ITS A FRIGGIN WAR. What the hell do you think happens in war zones? Go watch some more CNN. You have ignored the stories of schools built, women voting and children being vaccinated against diseases. I can't fathom how you don't support removing an evil dictator. You bitch about a few bad apples in the military teasing kids with water bottles. You bitch about tankers punishing looters. When did you bitch about Saddam raping and pillaging his own country? Where was your loud mouth then?
Your blind hatred of the US military and the President are astounding. All that smog on the left coast has gotten to your brain.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Completely. It's the only new development in Iran, and our government is all up in arms, just like Iraq.Masques wrote:
Related?The Iranian central bank is to convert the state's foreign dollar assets into euros and use the euro for foreign transactions.
"The government has ordered the central bank to replace the dollar with the euro to limit the problems of the executive organs in commercial transactions," Gholam Hossein Elham, a government spokesman, said on
Monday.
I guess if this war/invasion kicks off, you guys can substitute the porn you get off on nightly for more "shock and awe" on your TV's, after all, Iraqi has been a while and you need your fix of more horror and human suffering, so what if 90% of the deaths will be Innocent civilians, you have all this hardware and so so want to use it. Shit Israel has been showing off all the toys you send her lately. Kinda out shining you guys.
Sit on your asses and drool over the military hardware while you poke yourselves with your remote control feeling an over whelming sense of importance and power, I bet its almost sexual, because you, your country is blowing shit out of some 'other Arab savages'.
Sit on your asses and drool over the military hardware while you poke yourselves with your remote control feeling an over whelming sense of importance and power, I bet its almost sexual, because you, your country is blowing shit out of some 'other Arab savages'.
Wow. don't ask us for help when they attack you, kay?JahManRed wrote:
I guess if this war/invasion kicks off, you guys can substitute the porn you get off on nightly for more "shock and awe" on your TV's, after all, Iraqi has been a while and you need your fix of more horror and human suffering, so what if 90% of the deaths will be Innocent civilians, you have all this hardware and so so want to use it. Shit Israel has been showing off all the toys you send her lately. Kinda out shining you guys.
Sit on your asses and drool over the military hardware while you poke yourselves with your remote control feeling an over whelming sense of importance and power, I bet its almost sexual, because you, your country is blowing shit out of some 'other Arab savages'.
And you also forget "we" are your edit:DESCENDANTS and relatives. (Thanks unnamednewbie13)
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