Turning Point in Iraq War

2006-12-22 13:33:54

#1

Ryan: Member; +1,230|7280|Alberta, Canada

George W. Bush said Wednesday that the USA is still winning the war in Iraq, but conceded it hasn't been as successful as he hoped.
What and understatement - seeing as how about 2,900 US Troops have died in Iraq, which is on the brink of a civil war.
Bush also stated that the enemy thinks if they stick it out long enough and kill enough troops that the Americans will lose the motivation to fight.
I think the war in Iraq is a real turning point in history. Sides are being chosen (The Islam culture versus the Western culture).
Bush also says that the war on terrorism "is the calling of our generation."
Don't kid yourseleves, this is the new and all too real war of the world. The major players in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, North Korea, Venezuela, etc., are aligning themseleves against the west.
The USA is trying to map a course somewhere between the trenches of 'cut and run' and 'stay the course'. It is kinda scary to say, but without the help from allies, the future of the 'free world' may be in the hands of the battle weary Americans and Canadians.
And as the Canadians and the Americnas divide their role in this war, victory may become Increasingly perilous.

That is just my 2 cents on what I think is happening right now over in the Middle East.

Last edited by ryan_14 (2006-12-22 13:34:13)

2006-12-22 13:44:59

#2

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6966|Global Command

Hmmn.
Suprised this isn't DST bait.

The players are aligning themselves to the holy dollar.

2006-12-22 13:50:56

#3

arabeater: Do you have any idea how fooking busy I am?; +49|7118|Colorado Springs, CO

ryan_14 wrote:
George W. Bush said Wednesday that the USA is still winning the war in Iraq, but conceded it hasn't been as successful as he hoped.
What and understatement - seeing as how about 2,900 US Troops have died in Iraq, which is on the brink of a civil war.
Bush also stated that the enemy thinks if they stick it out long enough and kill enough troops that the Americans will lose the motivation to fight.
I think the war in Iraq is a real turning point in history. Sides are being chosen (The Islam culture versus the Western culture).
Bush also says that the war on terrorism "is the calling of our generation."
Don't kid yourseleves, this is the new and all too real war of the world. The major players in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, North Korea, Venezuela, etc., are aligning themseleves against the west.
The USA is trying to map a course somewhere between the trenches of 'cut and run' and 'stay the course'. It is kinda scary to say, but without the help from allies, the future of the 'free world' may be in the hands of the battle weary Americans and Canadians.
And as the Canadians and the Americnas divide their role in this war, victory may become Increasingly perilous.

That is just my 2 cents on what I think is happening right now over in the Middle East.

Well i'm an American in the US Air Force and I totally agree with you. Something must be done. I have spent about a year and a half of my life in the sand box and I can honestly say from my personal experiance there that nothing good has or will come from the Middle East. They are pretty much all living in poverty. Its sad but its the truth. Radical Islamic clerics take advantage of that and brainwash people into thinking that the West is satan and they must destroy these "infidels". I love that word.. Anyways I think eventually the West will see this and ultimately start WW3. I dunno much about Venezula, except for their leader is crazy and hates the US. North Korea is has been a problem for a while and I dont see them doing much directly but they are still a major threat.

2006-12-22 13:51:20

#4

Ryan: Member; +1,230|7280|Alberta, Canada

What is DST?

2006-12-22 13:53:08

#5

tiptopT: Member; +72|7019|Scotland's Capital

Debate and Serious Talk

2006-12-22 13:53:08

#6

arabeater: Do you have any idea how fooking busy I am?; +49|7118|Colorado Springs, CO

ryan_14 wrote:
What is DST?

The debate and serious talk section of the forums.

2006-12-22 13:54:19

#7

Ryan: Member; +1,230|7280|Alberta, Canada

Ahh makes sense. Well it's nothing really to debate about, or have a serious talk about, so I just put it here. You can dabet or have a serious talk about this if you want, then we can get it moved to that forum.

2006-12-22 13:54:48

#8

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7038|132 and Bush

Any death is sad but it is a reality in war.
2,900 US Troops have died in Iraq? Thats over three years.
Do you realize we lost 80,000 men in 30 days during the battle of the bulge? There were just no camera's there to document each one.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2006-12-22 13:56:13

#9

arabeater: Do you have any idea how fooking busy I am?; +49|7118|Colorado Springs, CO

Kmarion wrote:
Any death is sad but it is a reality in war.
2,900 US Troops have died in Iraq? Thats over three years.
Do you realize we lost 80,000 men in 30 days during the battle of the bulge? There were just no camera's there to document each one.

Yea from a military standpoint 2,900 troops lost in 3 years isnt very bad at all.

2006-12-22 13:57:16

#10

l41e: Member; +677|7085

Kmarion wrote:
Any death is sad but it is a reality in war.
2,900 US Troops have died in Iraq? Thats over three years.
Do you realize we lost 80,000 men in 30 days during the battle of the bulge? There were just no camera's there to document each one.

Society changes...today, 80,000 would be completely unacceptable, not to mention the atomic bomb.

2006-12-22 13:58:23

#11

Ryan: Member; +1,230|7280|Alberta, Canada

George Bush thought we shouldnt' have lost that many, that's all. He considers 2,900 men dead a failure, when it really isn't very many men, in contrast to battles in WWII.

2006-12-22 13:59:30

#12

JE3146: Member; +109|7008|Oregon

k30dxedle wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
Any death is sad but it is a reality in war.
2,900 US Troops have died in Iraq? Thats over three years.
Do you realize we lost 80,000 men in 30 days during the battle of the bulge? There were just no camera's there to document each one.
Society changes...today, 80,000 would be completely unacceptable, not to mention the atomic bomb.

Society or the media?

And who are you to determine an acceptable amount of casualties?

2006-12-22 14:00:24

#13

arabeater: Do you have any idea how fooking busy I am?; +49|7118|Colorado Springs, CO

ryan_14 wrote:
George Bush thought we shouldnt' have lost that many, that's all. He considers 2,900 men dead a failure, when it really isn't very many men, in contrast to battles in WWII.

Not to mention in the current conflict in the ME we are not fighting any large scale battles either, like the Battle of the Bulge or D-day.

2006-12-22 14:02:17

#14

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7038|132 and Bush

I guarantee you 80k was unacceptable back then but they were aware of the consequences. The difference is will.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2006-12-22 14:02:31

#15

l41e: Member; +677|7085

JE3146 wrote:
k30dxedle wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
Any death is sad but it is a reality in war.
2,900 US Troops have died in Iraq? Thats over three years.
Do you realize we lost 80,000 men in 30 days during the battle of the bulge? There were just no camera's there to document each one.
Society changes...today, 80,000 would be completely unacceptable, not to mention the atomic bomb.
Society or the media?

And who are you to determine an acceptable amount of casualties?

Let me clarify that.

Today, the public would say 80,000 is an unacceptable amount.

_{...can't say anything around here without touching a nerve...}

2006-12-22 14:02:41

#16

arabeater: Do you have any idea how fooking busy I am?; +49|7118|Colorado Springs, CO

JE3146 wrote:
k30dxedle wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
Any death is sad but it is a reality in war.
2,900 US Troops have died in Iraq? Thats over three years.
Do you realize we lost 80,000 men in 30 days during the battle of the bulge? There were just no camera's there to document each one.
Society changes...today, 80,000 would be completely unacceptable, not to mention the atomic bomb.
Society or the media?

And who are you to determine an acceptable amount of casualties?

Both. The media always blows things outta proportion when it comes to allied deaths in the ME. Yea it sucks to lose 3 or 4 men a day but in military terms thats a great figure.

2006-12-22 14:06:18

#17

JE3146: Member; +109|7008|Oregon

arabeater wrote:
JE3146 wrote:
k30dxedle wrote:

Society changes...today, 80,000 would be completely unacceptable, not to mention the atomic bomb.
Society or the media?

And who are you to determine an acceptable amount of casualties?
Both. The media always blows things outta proportion when it comes to allied deaths in the ME. Yea it sucks to lose 3 or 4 men a day but in military terms thats a great figure.

Considering the media manipulates society, I'd really ultimately argue the "media" has changed.

Death is a headline to them. 2900 deaths are 2900 headlines. Headlines sell.

Personally I think we should institute a draft. Draft everyone of those "headline hunter" media vulchers and drop their ass in the sand box.

2006-12-22 14:07:21

#18

Pernicious544: Zee Tank Skank; +80|7137|MoVal So-Cal

Kmarion wrote:
Any death is sad but it is a reality in war.
2,900 US Troops have died in Iraq? Thats over three years.
Do you realize we lost 80,000 men in 30 days during the battle of the bulge? There were just no camera's there to document each one.

No camera was able to document the 3654 deaths during the battler of Anteitam in te civil war either. Also add in the one that died from wounds and about 4500 men died at that battle. The war in Iraq is one of the best wars casualty wise. 3 years for 2900 or 1 day for 4500, figure it out.

2006-12-22 14:08:48

#19

Ryan: Member; +1,230|7280|Alberta, Canada

That's another thing. Like you said JE3146, 2900 deaths are 2900 headlines. I don't understand why when 1 or 2 soldiers die in Iraq, the media has to make a big deal about it. We know soldiers are over there, and we know a lot are going to die, but why make it breaking news around the world? I really don't think there's a need for it.

IEDs and huge bombs going off, killing like 10 or 15 people, now that is worth a headline.

Last edited by ryan_14 (2006-12-22 14:09:41)

2006-12-22 14:09:00

#20

An Enlarged Liver: Member; +35|7180|Backward Ass Kansas

As a matter of clarity....

Not sure what you meant by "And as the Canadians and the Americans divide their role in this war, victory may become Increasingly perilous.", but so far this month there have been 75 'coalition' fatalities and every one of them a US citizen.

source:
http://icasualties.org/oif/

2006-12-22 14:11:10

#21

arabeater: Do you have any idea how fooking busy I am?; +49|7118|Colorado Springs, CO

JE3146 wrote:
arabeater wrote:
JE3146 wrote:

Society or the media?

And who are you to determine an acceptable amount of casualties?
Both. The media always blows things outta proportion when it comes to allied deaths in the ME. Yea it sucks to lose 3 or 4 men a day but in military terms thats a great figure.
Considering the media manipulates society, I'd really ultimately argue the "media" has changed.

Death is a headline to them. 2900 deaths are 2900 headlines. Headlines sell.

Personally I think we should institute a draft. Draft everyone of those "headline hunter" media vulchers and drop their ass in the sand box.

Very true, indeed. I dont think a draft is a good idea because I know when I am getting shot at i dont want one of those draftees that didnt wanna join up voluntarily by my side covering my ass. However I think we do need some sorta mandatory service for high school grads. Europe does it and it seems to work rather well. Anyways the media does tend to make things rather hard.

2006-12-22 14:11:11

#22

Ryan: Member; +1,230|7280|Alberta, Canada

An Enlarged Liver wrote:
As a matter of clarity....

Not sure what you meant by "And as the Canadians and the Americans divide their role in this war, victory may become Increasingly perilous.", but so far this month there have been 75 'coalition' fatalities and every one of them a US citizen.

source:
http://icasualties.org/oif/

Yeah, that doesn't really make sense now that I read it over.

2006-12-22 14:13:49

#23

Skorpy-chan: Member; +127|6782|Twyford, UK

A turning point in world history? I doubt it. The world is bigger than just America.

Turning point in US history? Definetly. US is on the way down again. Vietnam was the turning point, followed by the oil crisis and the big price hike.

2006-12-22 14:15:27

#24

JE3146: Member; +109|7008|Oregon

arabeater wrote:
JE3146 wrote:
arabeater wrote:

Both. The media always blows things outta proportion when it comes to allied deaths in the ME. Yea it sucks to lose 3 or 4 men a day but in military terms thats a great figure.
Considering the media manipulates society, I'd really ultimately argue the "media" has changed.

Death is a headline to them. 2900 deaths are 2900 headlines. Headlines sell.

Personally I think we should institute a draft. Draft everyone of those "headline hunter" media vulchers and drop their ass in the sand box.
Very true, indeed. I dont think a draft is a good idea because I know when I am getting shot at i dont want one of those draftees that didnt wanna join up voluntarily by my side covering my ass. However I think we do need some sorta mandatory service for high school grads. Europe does it and it seems to work rather well. Anyways the media does tend to make things rather hard.

Was being a bit facetious with the draft idea, moreso for a bit of irony.

I don't think I'd want a media vulcher covering my 6 either.

I do agree with mandatory service though. I, myself, wasn't able to sign in due to medical conditions & flat feet . But that's another story alltogether

2006-12-22 14:17:07

#25

arabeater: Do you have any idea how fooking busy I am?; +49|7118|Colorado Springs, CO

Skorpy-chan wrote:
A turning point in world history? I doubt it. The world is bigger than just America.

Turning point in US history? Definetly. US is on the way down again. Vietnam was the turning point, followed by the oil crisis and the big price hike.

I'm pretty sure the terrorists hate all of the Western cultures and not just the US and Canada. So yes it does have a major effect on the world. How is the US on their way down?

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