CameronPoe
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The following is an interesting excerpt from a book I am reading at the moment entitled 'Modern Iran Since 1921: The Pahlavis and after'. It refers to US influence on and provision of aid to the country in the wake of WWII, the control over Iran fought over by Russia and the UK for so many years having just recently been finally broken. It is a quote WITHIN the book, i.e. I am quoting something said during that era that has been quoted within the book. Please forgive typos.

'Under the present bilateral approach creditor governments are diverted from governmental projects by military and political considerations ... Even if a recipient government became convinced in all good faith of the fairness of certain bilateral programs offered by another country, it would soon be condemned in the public mind. Opposition leaders will charge the government with selling out to the imperialists, and the public will believe those charges ... Bilateral aid poisons the relationship between nations, frustrates the donor, and causes revulsion in the recipient. Donor nations are obliged to channel aid throught the receiving country's officials whether they be qualified, honest, efficient or otherwise. Where the recipient government is corrupt, the donor government appears, in the judgement of the public, to support corruption ... The bilateral approach cannot bring about reform. Furthermore, government-to-government aid delays internal pressure toward reform be providing considerable material resources to corrupt regimes and by unwittingly fostering the fear that development aid will be stopped if the regime is overthrown. Under bilateral programs the lending government cannot impose a creditor's normal discipline for fear of jeopardising the entire fabric of international relations. I can think of no better summary of all the disadvantages and weaknesses of the bilateral system than the modern history of my own country. Not so very many years ago in Iran, the United States was loved and respected as no other country, and without having given a penny of aid. Now, after more than $1 billion of loans and grants, America is neither loved nor respected; she is distrusted by most people and hated by many.' 

One should note that Iranians effectively lived under a quasi-dictatorship at this point and the national psyche was firmly entrenched in a 'no foreign influence' frame of mind (the goal of years having been to wrestle control of their oil back from the British and remove occupying Russian forces from the north).

I think it is an interesting opinion and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it...

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-02 08:56:41)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Sending aide to a corrupt government no matter what relationship you share is detrimental. Corruption defines the character of a governing body.  It seems like a no brainer to me.
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ATG
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Kmarion wrote:

Sending aide to a corrupt government no matter what relationship you share is detrimental. Corruption defines the character of a governing body.  It seems like a no brainer to me.
This is why eventually there will have to be a more effective "U.N." type entity.
Global taxation, and internation army, I could almost sign on to the idea except for the axioms Kmarion wrote of.

So chaos reigns.
CameronPoe
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Kmarion wrote:

Sending aide to a corrupt government no matter what relationship you share is detrimental. Corruption defines the character of a governing body.  It seems like a no brainer to me.
Is it not a crying shame that many of us western countries pump aid into certain middle eastern countries to prop up their dictatorships so that we can avail of their precious oil?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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CameronPoe wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Sending aide to a corrupt government no matter what relationship you share is detrimental. Corruption defines the character of a governing body.  It seems like a no brainer to me.
Is it not a crying shame that many of us western countries pump aid into certain middle eastern countries to prop up their dictatorships so that we can avail of their precious oil?
Of course. I think there is more than Oil involved, but yes. I don't think there is anything wrong with protecting your national interest globally but consequences need to be considered more carefully.


ATG wrote:

This is why eventually there will have to be a more effective "U.N." type entity.
Ironically it is because of the a world governing body that helps to create this pattern. It is  done for political lean as well. (Hey do this or we are yanking your aide).

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-02 09:27:13)

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GunSlinger OIF II
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better to lose aid from a super power then recieve missiles.  but,  I dont think i can pity Iran too much.  The persians were once the most powerful people in the world, feared conquerers and what not.
Kmar
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

The persians were once the most powerful people in the world, feared conquerers and what not.
So where the Brits, French, Russians, Spanish, and the Italians, I pity them all now.. J/k
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Bertster7
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Different aid has different reprecussions.

The worst sort of aid to be giving to corrupt regimes is military aid.

The Eurofighter deal with Saudi Arabia is an excellent example of this, the military aid Israel get from the US is yet another.
Kmar
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Bertster7 wrote:

Different aid has different reprecussions.

The worst sort of aid to be giving to corrupt regimes is military aid.

The Eurofighter deal with Saudi Arabia is an excellent example of this, the military aid Israel get from the US is yet another.
Katyusha rockets immediately came to mind when I read this.

https://tampastorm.smugmug.com/photos/120543813-L-0.jpg

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-02 11:20:05)

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Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7035|SE London

Kmarion wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Different aid has different reprecussions.

The worst sort of aid to be giving to corrupt regimes is military aid.

The Eurofighter deal with Saudi Arabia is an excellent example of this, the military aid Israel get from the US is yet another.
Katyusha rockets immediately came to mind when I read this.

http://tampastorm.smugmug.com/photos/120543813-L-0.jpg
Yet another example. Iran and Lebannon.
Bubbalo
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ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Sending aide to a corrupt government no matter what relationship you share is detrimental. Corruption defines the character of a governing body.  It seems like a no brainer to me.
This is why eventually there will have to be a more effective "U.N." type entity.
Global taxation, and internation army, I could almost sign on to the idea except for the axioms Kmarion wrote of.

So chaos reigns.
Except that if funding corrupt regimes weren't allowed, the US (historically) would have been one of the worst hit.  As to how bad they'd be today, I can't comment, as things don't tend to come out till late.

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