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Mogura wrote:

religion :

http://www.kingidentity.com/
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/KKK.asp … mp;item=18

....

Abu Sayyaf
Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades
Ansar al-Islam
Al-Qaeda
# Hamas
Hezbollah
....
Kahane Chai
....

I am no trying to say religions haven't done bad things at all. I agree. You asked me what good has it done, I answered.
Edit:removed that last link...

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-04 04:42:03)

Kmarion wrote:

weasel_thingo wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

http://www.blessing.org/
http://www.christianchildrensfund.org/
http://www.achildshopefund.org/
http://www.aidscarefund.org/
http://www.bwanet.org/
http://www.childcareworldwide.org/
http://www.christianrelieffund.org/
http://www.childrenshungernetwork.org/
http://www.kidsforthekingdom.org/
(Touchdown)
http://www.samaritanspurse.org/
http://www.cbmiusa.org/site/PageServer
http://www.cfcausa.org/
http://www.compassion.com/default.htm
http://www.fh.org/
http://www.mercyships.org/site/c.agLOI4 … 8/Home.htm
http://www.ob.org/
http://www.mexicanmedical.com/
http://www.endhunger.org/
http://www.warmblankets.org/
http://www.newhopeinternational.org/

BRB just getting warmed up..

if we didnt have religion we wouldnt need these organisations

Religion does not cause droughts and hunger.

the reason we wouldnt need those organisations would be that we would all be an extremly advanced race and would be able to fix these problems quick and easy.

Kmarion wrote:

Mogura wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I am no trying to say religions hasn't done bad things at all. I agree. You asked me what good has it done, I answered.

and i answered you that their help is not free, they ask conversion for that

and i say that the good they do is rediculus small compared to evil and hate they do and i say too that humans would get better if religion was not there

you sayd religion dont make hunger and drough, but if you are religius, it means you believe in god, a god who control all, so its your god who do all that

First off not all religious charities try to convert. Even if they did it does not sway the fact that they are out there feeding people, which is good. Your question was not what do they do for free. It's really that simple. When you were faced with a direct answer to your question you spun it and adjusted in your retort. Secondly, if I am starving to death I don't give a shit who is trying to convince me to believe in something, I am eating.

Your final response is a little difficult to understand. Are you trying to say because they believe in a god that you think does not exist, this non existent god is not sending them down some water every now and then? Or are you just making fun of their faith and hope? You cant have it both ways.

weasel_thingo wrote:

the reason we wouldnt need those organisations would be that we would all be an extremly advanced race and would be able to fix these problems quick and easy.

Not all wars are religious.

His point was that:

If there is a god, its his fault that their is draught as he controls everything, thats what an omnipotent God is. Thus any work these orgainisations do is counter to what their god has caused in the first place. If he wanted it to be nice down here, (which is what most religions promote that he does do) he would make it so.

Think of the biggest wars in the last century. Think of the years wars like that set us back. It appears as if you are saying religion is the single most detrimental thing to mankind when actually some of the worst conflicts in modern civilization where not in the name of religion.

weasel_thingo wrote:

and in the last few centuries people have become less religious and we have invented so many new things and gained so much more knowledge of the universe.
the reason is people started beleiving in logic and not religion.
if we beleived in logic thousands of years ago our race would be extremely advanced and their maybe peace on earth.

Being a "logical" person surely you can understand the natural progression in technologiacl advances would dictate a faster influx of advancements. Having our global population nearly double in a single lifetime might also have something to do with it

weasel_thingo wrote:

hmm i reallly do wander if religion has been resposable for anything bad?
hmm
[cough]Holocaust[/cough]

You think Hitler was religious?

weasel_thingo wrote:

just answer this question
do you think that if there was no religion the world would be more advanced now than it is actually now?

No.

Last edited by Stingray24 (2007-01-04 06:03:54)

Kmarion wrote:

Think of the biggest wars in the last century. Think of the years wars like that set us back. It appears as if you are saying religion is the single most detrimental thing to mankind when actually some of the worst conflicts in modern civilization where not in the name of religion.

Yeah, religion has done a lot of good and is certainly not the cause of all conflict. Whether the negative aspects of religion outweigh the positive (especially in this day and age, earlier in history religion played an important role) is another matter.

Conflicts are traditionally caused by differences. Religion just creates another division between peoples. Genetic, religious and ideological divisions have been the biggest causes of conflict throughout the past century and throughout all of history.

Vilham wrote:

His point was that:
If there is a god, its his fault that their is draught as he controls everything, thats what an omnipotent God is. Thus any work these orgainisations do is counter to what their god has caused in the first place. If he wanted it to be nice down here, (which is what most religions promote that he does do) he would make it so.

If you argue that the existence of evil means that God does not exist, you are assuming the existence of an absolute moral law in order for your argument to work.  If there is such a law, then that would also mean that there is a God, since He is the only one who could give us that kind of law.

If there is such a God to give us this law, then the argument itself is flawed, since you have had to assume the existence of God in order to argue that He doesn't exist.  One cannot appeal to the existence of an absolute moral law without invoking the existence of an absolute moral lawgiver.

Maybe the reason we question God's moral character when bad things happen is that we live lives largely independent from Him. In other words, do we really trust Him even when things are going well?

Last edited by Stingray24 (2007-01-04 06:44:02)

middle ages, church rules europe => period is called Dark Ages,.... after that, church loose power in europe, eurpe is no more ruled by church => period is called Renaissance ( rebirth ).

Kmarion wrote:

Mogura wrote:

middle ages, church rules europe => period is called Dark Ages,.... after that, church loose power in europe, eurpe is no more ruled by church => period is called Renaissance ( rebirth ).

Shall we discuss what was going on before the Church?

human sacrifice in the name of gods ?

Bertster7 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

weasel_thingo wrote:

hmm i reallly do wander if religion has been resposable for anything bad?
hmm
[cough]Holocaust[/cough]

You think Hitler was religious?

Hitler was religious, there is little doubt of that. His speeches and mentions in Mein Kampf about the German peoples Christian heritige and Christian dominance over the Jews make it quite clear that Hitler was religious.

Hitler's use of "Christian heritage" was a smokescreen for his murderous plan and is hardly in line with true Christian ideals.  A religious person would at least attempt to follow the teachings of the religion they claim to follow. One cannot logically advance the theory Hitler was religious simply because he called himself a Christian.  His atrocities are a direct contradiction of the fact that the Bible describes the Jews as God's people.

Last edited by Stingray24 (2007-01-04 08:53:19)

Stingray24 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

You think Hitler was religious?

Hitler was religious, there is little doubt of that. His speeches and mentions in Mein Kampf about the German peoples Christian heritige and Christian dominance over the Jews make it quite clear that Hitler was religious.

Hitler's use of "Christian heritage" was a smokescreen for his murderous plan and is hardly in line with true Christian ideals.  A religious person would at least attempt to follow the teachings of the religion they claim to follow. One cannot logically advance the theory Hitler was religious simply because he called himself a Christian.  His atrocities are a direct contradiction of the fact that the Bible describes the Jews as God's people.

At what point did we stop believing wars were fought over lands as well. Violence is in our genetic make up I believe. With or without religion. Religion just happens to be the scape goat some would blame everything on.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-04 08:58:35)

Bertster7 wrote:

He claimed to be, and more importantly thought of himself as, a Christian. Therefore he was a Christian, simple as that. He was a very bad Christian, certainly, but a Christian nevertheless.

I claim to be hung like a horse, I guess that makes it so..lol

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-04 09:00:49)