BrknPhoenix
Member
+5|6597
Alright, I did search, and I did find some information about using the sniper rifles such as bullet drop.  But I've also read posts that said shoot in front of the person while they are running, shoot behind them, put the target right on them, yadda yadda yadda.

Anyway, my accuracy is piss poor if I'm not close and aiming at a stationary target.  I get the rare moving target kill but not often.  But that's not what this is about.

What I'm more concerned about is long range shots.  I almost always miss them.  Occasionally I get them, but more often than not I let off four or five shots all without a hit then I get pegged in the head.  Obviously some of this can be chalked up to the fact that I'm a noob to the game, I only got it less than a week ago.  But I'm encountering so many situations where it seems impossible to miss, and I miss multiple times in a row.

Sometimes I am just above the target to account for bullet drop and I hit, sometimes I do it and I miss.  Sometimes I have the target dead on their head while completely stationary and I hit, other times I miss.  Sometimes I have the damn target right square on their heart and there's no hit.

It's testing my patience, as I'm coming off of playing a lot of LAN CSS where if you have a rifle aimed at someones head and fire, it's a head shot plain and simple.

But it seems completely irrelevant where I aim at times in BF2 because sometimes the shot will hit there and sometimes it won't, regardless of them being fat stationary targets or not.

Obviously I'm doing something wrong.  People score lots more rifle kills than I (I've totally blown thusfar) and I can't quite nail it down.  What factors are involved?  Obviously having a gun sight on someone isn't the full story because I miss plenty when my targeting is dead on.

Thanks for any help you can offer.
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6936|USA
Cover. Sneakiness. Hiding spots.

You'll get better.
Snake
Missing, Presumed Dead
+1,046|6839|England

Bullet drop, deviation, accuracy levels (crouched/standing/prone) and whether you have the gun sight up or not (right click) all play a role in your overall accuracy.
Peter
Super Awesome Member
+494|6676|dm_maidenhead
Weapons have a certain random deviation, some weapons are more accurate than others.

Check this page for information.

http://wiki.bf2s.com/weapons/comparison
White-Fusion
Fuck
+616|6825|Scotland
take..your...time... and practice...practice...practice, do both of these and youll be better
silo1180
The Farewell Tour
+79|6696|San Antonio, TX
If you are using any other rifle's (other that sniper) you're more accurate if you set it to single ROF.  Keeping your weapon in single or 3-shot bursts when you're not in close combat helps accuracy.  Other than that, you just have to practice, takes a little time to get a feel for each rifle.  Pick a kit and stick with it until you get a better feel for the game, then branch out to other weapons.

Or just 'nade spam so you don't have to worry about accuracy!
[HhB]Jonny-JX
Member
+5|6774|Dresden, Germany
use the M24 or the L96A1 at first...

the M24 has nearly no bulletdrop, you only need to aim good...
the L96 has a little bit bulletdrop, but it's easy to shoot good with...


if you want to kill moving or also running targets, you hat to try a lot....watch what way your target move and aim a little bit before his face....as straighter the enemy moves to your fireline, as less you had to hold the cross in front....if the target moves 90° to your fireline, you need the most holding  before it....

try with the bots on the singleplayer...you would get better...
firstly, fire while you are laying down...standing shots will get working a lot later....


and CSS is not a bit like the aim-modell of BF2....its complete different...


try hard, you can do it
belive me, it works...watch my accuracy ^^
tino275
Member
+14|6886
Couple thing helped me. 

First:  Get the Zoom its a HUGE help.
Second: Change your HitReg do a search on how to do it.  It does make a BIG difference for me.  Its amazing how many more moving targets I hit now.

I'm not saying i'm good or a pro. its just these two things made a BIG difference for me.

Oh wait this is for BF2?  Just change your Hitreg.
xintegrityx
set your body ablaze
+37|7002|Louisiana
You don't have to account for bullet drop unless you're using a sniper rifle. If an enemy is within your visual range and you're using an assault rifle, the enemy is close enough that there will be no bullet drop.

That said, it's just a fact that the guns in BF2 are inaccurate. Deviation plays a big part of it, and the netcode isn't great either, so you may miss lots of shots even when your sights are placed directly on the target. It's disheartening when you come from a long FPS background like me and you initially suck at the game because the guns are so unreliable. So it's important to use your mind to make up for the fact that the game mechanics are not always in your favor. Avoid running straight at the enemy because that will always get you killed. Go around the side/back and stay undetected until you have a good opportunity to make a kill - a stationary or slow-moving target. Don't take shots at an enemy who is sprinting horizontally across your field of vision - they're very hard to hit, and he will most likely spin and one-shot you with a G36E, because that's just the way this game is. Basically you just have to choose your battles wisely and use the most important weapon you have - your mind. And pray that your enemy isn't using his
TheBelcorwyn
The Man With the Golden AK
+21|6914|Gainesville, FL
The best advice I can give is this: choose a different kit and never play sniper again.

Seriously.

Snipers are noobs asking for a death by knife or defibrilator.

Belcorwyn
mporlier
Member
+42|6914|Montreal, Canada
If your stats are from your first account you are definitely a noob. You will learn over time by practicing a lot. If you do not have the L96 unlocked stick to the M24. Do you have a good graphics card? Did you set viewing distance to 100%?
BrknPhoenix
Member
+5|6597

mporlier wrote:

If your stats are from your first account you are definitely a noob. You will learn over time by practicing a lot. If you do not have the L96 unlocked stick to the M24. Do you have a good graphics card? Did you set viewing distance to 100%?
Yeah, first account, lol.  Yes, L96 is unlocked.  GeForce 7600GT.  Didn't know I could change viewing distance, I'll check it when I get home.

Thanks for the advice everybody.  I'll be taking it into consideration when I get on later today
Jemme101
M24 Abuser
+99|6774|Valley of the Dragons

[HhB]Jonny-JX wrote:

use the M24 or the L96A1 at first...

the M24 has nearly no bulletdrop, you only need to aim good...
the L96 has a little bit bulletdrop, but it's easy to shoot good with...
All the Sniper Rifles in BF2 have the same bullet velocity so it is impossible to have different bulletdrops with any of them. Stop spreading BS in a thread.
CaptainSpaulding71
Member
+119|6631|CA, USA
i find that at a distance using the l96 or m24, if i just aim at the top of the guy's head it usually ends up being a headshot.  if i aim *at* the guy's head (again, at a distance say 100+ meters) i end up missing and having to take a second shot or two.  as was mentioned, you MUST use scope for sniper at distance.  i say even close range (guy is within 50 meters) with sniper should be with scope although some are good enough to aim just using crosshairs without zoom (not me).  I assume your ping is decent as well (under 100). 

Viewing distance was mentioned but another thing is how much 'fog' and eye candy you have set up.  i personally play with max everything, AA on, fog on, etc.  sometimes this is a detriment when it comes to dark areas because i can't see as well due to shadows and dark colored uniforms, etc.  However i prefer more realistic graphics.  if you tone down this stuff you may be able to see more clearly your targets.

i also tend to stick with the l96 if USMC and have moved to using the SVD if MEC.  The SVD is really a nice weapon.  not as powerful but you can't beat the reload time in case you miss.  i see alot of people raving about the m95 but i just can't seem to hit anything with it at a distance.  i have had *some* success shooting guys out of helos and such which really gets you jazzed when it happens.  usually that has to be when they are very stationary like takeoff or hovering near a flag. 

maybe someone smart out there can give some real pointers on how to use the m95 more effectively.  it sure would help out.  i'm talking about where to aim the scope in relation to the player, etc.  kind replies would be appreciated. 

as was mentioned before, key to effective sniping is exactly that - hiding, sneaking, using cover/concealment properly, and pretty much just utilizing your kit effectively.  using a sniper kit like rambo won't get you far - i never learned this lesson unfortunately. 

good luck!
Blehm98
conservative hatemonger
+150|6737|meh-land
Type88 (i think thats it) and SVD have the most bullet drop
M95 has a little bit less
L96 has a little bit less
M24 has the least bullet drop, almost unnoticeable unless you're at ranges of like 400-600 meters. 

also remember move when you're sniping unless its a very long shot.  However...  You can move forward/backward or right/left, but whatever you do do not move diagonally (forward and right, or any of the other combinations).  For some reason just strafing will not damage your accuracy much, but if you go diagonally your accuracy drops down to near worthless ranges.  So that can really affect your accuracy, and be careful about accidentally doing so.
AWSMFOX
Banned
+405|6737|A W S M F O X
Dude, practice. Ive gotten pretty good with sniper, and i figures out bullet drop and lead time by about 500 sniper kills, then new patch and bullet drop changed, but i learnt that quickly too. After about 1000 kills, you should be pretty allright with snipers. I can own with all sniper rifles, but i do the best with SVD/Type-88 and L96A1, well, the M24 is same as L9 so yeah, the only rifle i have issues with is M95, the deviation can just be crazy soemtimes. Whats your ping BTW!?!?!?
Todd_Angelo
Leukocyte
+336|6901|Warlord

BrknPhoenix wrote:

But I've also read posts that said shoot in front of the person while they are running, shoot behind them, put the target right on them, yadda yadda yadda.
If you're talking about targets running perpendicular to you (side to side) then normally you aim ahead. Sometimes the hitboxes are lagging behind but that's not common.

BrknPhoenix wrote:

What I'm more concerned about is long range shots.
I'd suggest you get better at shorter range first, before you try the long-range stuff.

BrknPhoenix wrote:

I almost always miss them.  Occasionally I get them, but more often than not I let off four or five shots all without a hit... I'm encountering so many situations where it seems impossible to miss, and I miss multiple times in a row.
That's not uncommon, so don't sweat it too much. As I was just telling some sniper friends, last week I 'missed' seven shots in a row on a stationary target less than 100m away so it's not just about aim.

Now you have the L96A1 already so except when playing SF you can use that all the time for consistency as you practice, that's a good start since it's got half the deviation of the M95 and the two semi-auto rifles and has perhaps the best scope in the game.

Other than issues with deviation, which you can't avoid, there's bullet drop to contend with; until you compensate correctly for that you won't hit that reliably. There's also the issue of hit registration as you'll have seen references to before, that's just something you have to learn to live with I'm afraid. Nothing else to do other than pack up and not play the game any more.

BrknPhoenix wrote:

Obviously some of this can be chalked up to the fact that I'm a noob to the game, I only got it less than a week ago.  But I'm encountering so many situations where it seems impossible to miss, and I miss multiple times in a row.
You've only been playing for a week? Geez dude, give it some time! I sniped for hundreds and hundreds of hours in other games before this and I still couldn't hit jack when I wanted to when I started playing BF2.

BrknPhoenix wrote:

Sometimes I am just above the target to account for bullet drop and I hit, sometimes I do it and I miss.
That's normal... deviation, slight variation in your aim and hitreg problems'll account for that.

BrknPhoenix wrote:

Sometimes I have the target dead on their head while completely stationary and I hit, other times I miss.  Sometimes I have the damn target right square on their heart and there's no hit.
Almost everyone who snipes will have had the situation where they're behind or beside a Humvee or Vodnik, maybe 10m away, they take a careful headshot at the gunner and there's a puff of dust but the guy isn't hit. That's sucky hitreg for you.

BrknPhoenix wrote:

Thanks for any help you can offer.
Check the links in my sig if you didn't find those threads already.
Todd_Angelo
Leukocyte
+336|6901|Warlord

[HhB]Jonny-JX wrote:

the M24 has nearly no bulletdrop, you only need to aim good...
the L96 has a little bit bulletdrop, but it's easy to shoot good with...
Rubbish! Given you've spent most of your time on Karkand I can understand why you don't need to know about bullet drop, since at 100m and less it's slight, but if you ever intend to snipe more widely check the last link in my sig, for your own sake.


Blehm98 wrote:

Type88 (i think thats it) and SVD have the most bullet drop
M95 has a little bit less
L96 has a little bit less
M24 has the least bullet drop, almost unnoticeable unless you're at ranges of like 400-600 meters.
*sigh* Learn to read the thread above you would ya?

So we can get this out of the way for this thread:

ALL rifles in the game have the same bullet drop.

It's the same for the pistols. The LMGs and machineguns have slower bullets so they have more bullet drop (as you can clearly see if you watch the arc of the tracers).

Last edited by Todd_Angelo (2007-01-05 00:31:39)

Todd_Angelo
Leukocyte
+336|6901|Warlord

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

i see alot of people raving about the m95 but i just can't seem to hit anything with it at a distance.
The only thing to rave about is the damage, since it'll take all classes down to 2 bars; for CQB that's a major advantage and it is something you can learn to love. Other than specifically for that I wouldn't suggest anyone use it, unless you're camping an airfield/carrier or need to take out a crane sniper from below.

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

maybe someone smart out there can give some real pointers on how to use the m95 more effectively.  it sure would help out.  i'm talking about where to aim the scope in relation to the player, etc.  kind replies would be appreciated.
Confidence in it helps; I swear since having to use it more after buying my own copy of SF that I'm waaay better with it, despite knowing how to aim from day one. Anyway, in relation to aim, try to imagine the centre of the screen and aim appropriately; see the post with the scope screenshots in the second link in my sig.

After a while it'll become automatic but you do have to live with the fact that it's not as good a rifle as the M24 or the L96A1 as far as aim goes, so you'll always be at some disadvantage against someone armed with either in a head-to-head.
Jemme101
M24 Abuser
+99|6774|Valley of the Dragons

Blehm98 wrote:

Type88 (i think thats it) and SVD have the most bullet drop
M95 has a little bit less
L96 has a little bit less
M24 has the least bullet drop, almost unnoticeable unless you're at ranges of like 400-600 meters.
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3 hours earlier

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Jemme101 wrote:

[HhB]Jonny-JX wrote:

use the M24 or the L96A1 at first...

the M24 has nearly no bulletdrop, you only need to aim good...
the L96 has a little bit bulletdrop, but it's easy to shoot good with...
All the Sniper Rifles in BF2 have the same bullet velocity so it is impossible to have different bulletdrops with any of them. Stop spreading BS in a thread.
aLi3nZ
Member
+138|6780|New Zealand
What kind of ping do you get on the servers you play on. It sounds the net connection may be part of the problem.
Barrakuda777
Member
+86|7010|Somewhere near a shrub or rock
It also depends on where the guy is, where you are and your relative position.

For example, i will lay good money on the fact the guy was on or near either a stationary gun or some sort of heavy foliage or that you were using either a steep slope or some heavy foliage of your own to fire from.

The stationary guns play merry hell with hit reg if your firing from the front and some of the plants will stop a tank shell dead so any bullets also get stopped completely. Same if your firing from heavy cover, be aware that your barrel may be sticking into the ground or plant and that this will register the hit into the landscape (the sloped things on the rooves of matshir or karkand are good for doing that).


As someone else mentioned, if your firing on the move your accuracy will suffer, I am moving all the time right until i fire (this makes you hard to hit) however for the fraction of a second that i fire i actually stand still, make sure you keep moving when not firing or you will be easy fodder for other snipers!!!

Also, dont worry too much about accuracy, just work on being hard to kill and a nuicance to your enemy, keep them at a range and dominate them, fall back if they close and leave a claymore to slow them down.

Make them play on your terms and strengths.

Find what works for you and stick to it

Practice is the key

Kooda
RDMC
Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!
+736|6839|Area 51
You only played 16 hours..I can't blame you for not hitting anything..atleast 80% of all the BF2 players couldn't hit the broad side of a barn when they just started out..just practice more and more and you'll get better
Wasder
Resident Emo Hater
+139|6949|Moscow, Russia

Jemme101 wrote:

Blehm98 wrote:

Type88 (i think thats it) and SVD have the most bullet drop
M95 has a little bit less
L96 has a little bit less
M24 has the least bullet drop, almost unnoticeable unless you're at ranges of like 400-600 meters.
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3 hours earlier

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Jemme101 wrote:

[HhB]Jonny-JX wrote:

use the M24 or the L96A1 at first...

the M24 has nearly no bulletdrop, you only need to aim good...
the L96 has a little bit bulletdrop, but it's easy to shoot good with...
All the Sniper Rifles in BF2 have the same bullet velocity so it is impossible to have different bulletdrops with any of them. Stop spreading BS in a thread.
Sorry dude, but it's you who is spreading BS. L96A1 actually has noticeable bullet drop at ranges >150m which one has to consider if he wants to get a headshot.
swedge
Member
+23|6733|haggis hill

petermassingale wrote:

Weapons have a certain random deviation, some weapons are more accurate than others.

Check this page for information.

http://wiki.bf2s.com/weapons/comparison
looking at that page it says L9681 and M95 have the same bullet drop, i always though the M95 never had any as ive never noticed it but i hav noticed it on the l9

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