spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6950|Perth. Western Australia
Ok so I virtually built a PC for my friend (showed him all the parts he should get) and his friend would actually build it.

I put in a 650i
An E6600
2GB of OCZ 4-4-4-4 DDR2 800mhz
2 DVD drives
320GB HDD 7200RPM SATA2 16mb cache
Thermaltake thyphoon CPU cooler
XTX 8800GTS
750W PSU

Pretty sweet system eh $2700AU

Here is the reply to the order from his friend

spray i was talking to the guy i usually get parts from and he says.

A. get a 350W power supply instead.
B. Get a different motherboard (will post link when i get back on other comp).
C. scrap the cpu cooler.
D. have 2 Hdds in RAID i think to run faster.

His friend then went on and claimed he runs a 7800 and a 3.6GHZ processor on 350W psu. Is his friend talking a bunch of bullshit like I think he is. This friend is supposed to work at a PC store (possibly arrow computers still not sure wil have to source it but he sounds like their tech.) Will an 8800GTS and a E6600 on a 650i even possibly run on a 350W. I thought the reccomended was 600 or so watts.
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6873|Finland

no shit! don't believe him or ur friend is gonna kill u!!!!!

A: get that 750w PSU
B: good chipset
C: GET GOOD COOLER LOL
D: one is almost as fast as two

Last edited by [69th_GFH]GC_PaNzerFIN (2007-01-22 07:11:29)

3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
Archer
rapes face
+161|6883|Canuckistan
Replace your friend's system with your system, except it's in his case.

Then.. take his parts, and get his shit on your system.

gogogogogogogogogo
-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|7118|BC, Canada
i dont think it would cut it for the 350w
im thinking of running pretty much the same set up execpt with ultra x2 connect 550w and 7950 gt ko 512mb, inside a thermaltake armor w/25cm side fan, and im wondering if i should beef the psu up.
spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6950|Perth. Western Australia
The case is a Gigabyte Aurora 570 with 3 casefans in it that are quiet and a window panel. For anyone thinking hey the price is a little high.

http://www.3dgameman.com/content/view/4512/103/

Last edited by spray_and_pray (2007-01-22 07:23:38)

Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7195|Salt Lake City

The NV chipsets are crap.  Unless you plan on running SLI, I would get a 975X Intel based solution.  Now while it might be possible to run all that stuff with a very high quality 350W PSU, you would be constantly pushing it near 100%, and PSUs just can't take that long term.  A 700-750W PSU will give you the power you need without pushing the max output capability and supply cleaner power overall.

Last edited by Agent_Dung_Bomb (2007-01-22 07:25:03)

GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6873|Finland

965p is better than 975x, eh
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spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6950|Perth. Western Australia
He might get another 8800GTS in future thats why the SLI 650i.
ReTox
Member
+100|6958|State of RETOXification
350W over a 750W, no CPU cooler, and RAID is faster?

Yep, time for an intervention... this dude is abusing inhalents.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7040|SE London

spray_and_pray wrote:

He might get another 8800GTS in future thats why the SLI 650i.
650i is a good decision.

350W would not cut it. A 500W would be fine, but a 750W will give you the potential to go SLI if you decide to, so is probably a good decision.

Two drives in RAID is better than just one, might be an idea to go for that if you can. But RAID does often cause complications.

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

The NV chipsets are crap
They are not crap. They perform better than the Intel chpsets in SLI or not. The 680i is the best chipset available at the moment.

Toms Hardware Guide wrote:

Nvidia's nForce 680i SLI is the best chipset for Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad systems, but only for real enthusiasts and hardcore gamers. The performance differences between the Intel chipsets and Nvidia's high-flyer are only noticeable if you're willing to spend a lot of money on premium components for your nForce 680i SLI platform; this will allow you to exploit its amazing overclocking features and use it to its full potential.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-01-22 08:10:27)

GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6873|Finland

umm ATI RD600 is best IMO but hell, I'll go for ATI X-fire
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Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7195|Salt Lake City

Bertster7 wrote:

spray_and_pray wrote:

He might get another 8800GTS in future thats why the SLI 650i.
650i is a good decision.

350W would not cut it. A 500W would be fine, but a 750W will give you the potential to go SLI if you decide to, so is probably a good decision.

Two drives in RAID is better than just one, might be an idea to go for that if you can. But RAID does often cause complications.

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

The NV chipsets are crap
They are not crap. They perform better than the Intel chpsets in SLI or not. The 680i is the best chipset available at the moment.

Toms Hardware Guide wrote:

Nvidia's nForce 680i SLI is the best chipset for Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad systems, but only for real enthusiasts and hardcore gamers. The performance differences between the Intel chipsets and Nvidia's high-flyer are only noticeable if you're willing to spend a lot of money on premium components for your nForce 680i SLI platform; this will allow you to exploit its amazing overclocking features and use it to its full potential.
If you seriously think that the NV chipsets are better than the Intel chipsets, you are seriously delusional.
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|7026|NYC / Hamburg

A. get a 350W power supply instead.: ok that is total bullshit, you can never have too much wattage and 350W for such a set up is just ridiculous

B. Get a different motherboard (will post link when i get back on other comp). unless he is going to post a 680i based boards i see no reason to change it

C. scrap the cpu cooler. real smart to run without a cooler :p . TT big typhoon is still one of the best coolers around. solid choice

D. have 2 Hdds in RAID i think to run faster. well technically a raid 0 array is faster, but that is something you can always do down the line when space runs out

Last edited by max (2007-01-22 08:22:45)

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joker3327
=IBF2=
+305|7057|Cheshire. UK

spray_and_pray wrote:

Ok so I virtually built a PC for my friend (showed him all the parts he should get) and his friend would actually build it.

I put in a 650i
An E6600
2GB of OCZ 4-4-4-4 DDR2 800mhz
2 DVD drives
320GB HDD 7200RPM SATA2 16mb cache
Thermaltake thyphoon CPU cooler
XTX 8800GTS
750W PSU

Pretty sweet system eh $2700AU

Here is the reply to the order from his friend

spray i was talking to the guy i usually get parts from and he says.

A. get a 350W power supply instead. just pissed myself laughing
B. Get a different motherboard (will post link when i get back on other comp).does he know what one is
C. scrap the cpu cooler.an fry the cpu
D. have 2 Hdds in RAID i think to run faster. double the power drain on the wind up PSU

His friend then went on and claimed he runs a 7800 and a 3.6GHZ processor on 350W psu. Is his friend talking a bunch of bullshit like I think he is. This friend is supposed to work at a PC store (possibly arrow computers still not sure wil have to source it but he sounds like their tech.) Will an 8800GTS and a E6600 on a 650i even possibly run on a 350W. I thought the reccomended was 600 or so watts.
Tell your friend to shoot dinky brains sounds like he works for PC world
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6873|Finland

Intel 965p, ATI RD600, Nvidia 680i      - only YOU know wich one is the BEST for YOU, LOL .      THE END
3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
Archer
rapes face
+161|6883|Canuckistan
You're doing what I'm saying, right?

Otherwise that's just missing the grapes.
Stormscythe
Aiming for the head
+88|7008|EUtopia | Austria

spray_and_pray wrote:

He might get another 8800GTS in future thats why the SLI 650i.
Would recommend a 680i then...

What you could really cut on:
-> Thermaltake Big Typhoon to be replaced by Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro - about the same performance but easier to install (no need to add a backplate - though you'll have that mobo outside anyway, so dunno) and some nice thermal paste (Arctic Silver 5, lowered my CPU temp with AC7Pro from 53°C under heavy load for about 8°C to 44°C overall which is pretty neat for a P4 Prescott)
-> 750W PSU. Well, I don't know which one you want to have, but a SLI-certified high-quality 600W will also handle two 8800GTS easily. (I even got one of my 12V rails, namely the GPU-supply one with 12V and 25A - will therefore produce a total power of 300W on that SLI rail. More than enough to feed 2x 115W of a 8800GTS - and my PSU has only got 500W overall.)

And yeah, RAID0 would be nice and run on that nVidia <cough> chipset - but it could possibly cause complications as Bertster7 wrote.

Last edited by Stormscythe (2007-01-22 08:27:29)

spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6950|Perth. Western Australia

max wrote:

A. get a 350W power supply instead.: ok that is total bullshit, you can never have too much wattage and 350W for such a set up is just ridiculous

B. Get a different motherboard (will post link when i get back on other comp). unless he is going to post a 680i based boards i see no reason to change it

C. scrap the cpu cooler. real smart to run without a cooler :p . TT big typhoon is still one of the best coolers around. solid choice

D. have 2 Hdds in RAID i think to run faster. well technically a raid 0 array is faster, but that is something you can always do down the line when space runs out
The guy is on a budget basically paying over $2700 is a grey kinda area cause he has to get some other stuff, I highly doubt his friend would suggest a 680i.
spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6950|Perth. Western Australia

Stormscythe wrote:

spray_and_pray wrote:

He might get another 8800GTS in future thats why the SLI 650i.
Would recommend a 680i then...

What you could really cut on:
-> Thermaltake Big Typhoon to be replaced by Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro - about the same performance but easier to install (no need to add a backplate - though you'll have that mobo outside anyway, so dunno) and some nice thermal paste (Arctic Silver 5, lowered my CPU temp with AC7Pro from 53°C under heavy load for about 8°C to 44°C overall which is pretty neat for a P4 Prescott)
-> 750W PSU. Well, I don't know which one you want to have, but a SLI-certified high-quality 600W will also handle two 8800GTS easily. (I even got one of my 12V rails, namely the GPU-supply one with 12V and 25A - will therefore produce a total power of 300W on that SLI rail. More than enough to feed 2x 115W of a 8800GTS - and my PSU has only got 500W overall.)

And yeah, RAID1 would be nice and run on that nVidia <cough> chipset - but it could possibly cause complications as Bertster7 wrote.
LOL are you joking the cooler costs $65AU on will save on the lifetime for the E6600
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|7008|UK

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

spray_and_pray wrote:

He might get another 8800GTS in future thats why the SLI 650i.
650i is a good decision.

350W would not cut it. A 500W would be fine, but a 750W will give you the potential to go SLI if you decide to, so is probably a good decision.

Two drives in RAID is better than just one, might be an idea to go for that if you can. But RAID does often cause complications.

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

The NV chipsets are crap
They are not crap. They perform better than the Intel chpsets in SLI or not. The 680i is the best chipset available at the moment.

Toms Hardware Guide wrote:

Nvidia's nForce 680i SLI is the best chipset for Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad systems, but only for real enthusiasts and hardcore gamers. The performance differences between the Intel chipsets and Nvidia's high-flyer are only noticeable if you're willing to spend a lot of money on premium components for your nForce 680i SLI platform; this will allow you to exploit its amazing overclocking features and use it to its full potential.
If you seriously think that the NV chipsets are better than the Intel chipsets, you are seriously delusional.
You cant really argue with the benchmarks, and they clearly state the Nvidia motherboards surpass intel chipsets.  Would only be delusional to claim the intel chipsets are better after reading the benchmark results.  Like was said, the N680i is the best on the market, and if price is an issue, the n650i should be your choice.

I dont really see the point in this thread, the creator clearly knew it was nonsence, and to be honest this is one of those, my friends friend is a prick because *insert circumstances here*.  Regardless, if he really does work in a computer shop (which I really doubt) he needs a change of carrear (why pick one in computers when u dont know anything is beyond me) which is why I doubt he really does work with them.

Martyn
spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6950|Perth. Western Australia

Bell wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

spray_and_pray wrote:

He might get another 8800GTS in future thats why the SLI 650i.
650i is a good decision.

350W would not cut it. A 500W would be fine, but a 750W will give you the potential to go SLI if you decide to, so is probably a good decision.

Two drives in RAID is better than just one, might be an idea to go for that if you can. But RAID does often cause complications.

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

The NV chipsets are crap
They are not crap. They perform better than the Intel chpsets in SLI or not. The 680i is the best chipset available at the moment.


If you seriously think that the NV chipsets are better than the Intel chipsets, you are seriously delusional.
You cant really argue with the benchmarks, and they clearly state the Nvidia motherboards surpass intel chipsets.  Would only be delusional to claim the intel chipsets are better after reading the benchmark results.  Like was said, the N680i is the best on the market, and if price is an issue, the n650i should be your choice.

I dont really see the point in this thread, the creator clearly knew it was nonsence, and to be honest this is one of those, my friends friend is a prick because *insert circumstances here*.  Regardless, if he really does work in a computer shop (which I really doubt) he needs a change of carrear (why pick one in computers when u dont know anything is beyond me) which is why I doubt he really does work with them.

Martyn
Actually the guy in question is a clanmate living on the other side of Australia I have never met him personally so I dont know him or his friend technically infact I have never even got into contact with his friend. I asked here to check if what I thought was sure so I could prove to the guy that he was speaking bullshit. Go troll somewhere else.
Stormscythe
Aiming for the head
+88|7008|EUtopia | Austria

Stormscythe wrote:

-> Thermaltake Big Typhoon to be replaced by Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro - about the same performance but easier to install (no need to add a backplate - though you'll have that mobo outside anyway, so dunno) and some nice thermal paste (Arctic Silver 5, lowered my CPU temp with AC7Pro from 53°C under heavy load for about 8°C to 44°C overall which is pretty neat for a P4 Prescott)

spray_and_pray wrote:

LOL are you joking the cooler costs $65AU on will save on the lifetime for the E6600
Didn't say you shouldn't take a better cooler than the boxed one... Just if you're already investing in a good cooler, then why not add some thermal paste which is better than a pre-applied pad?

Last edited by Stormscythe (2007-01-22 08:42:25)

joker3327
=IBF2=
+305|7057|Cheshire. UK
All you can do Spray is advise your friend.....if he does not take that advice then thats his look out ...and you can take a little satisfaction when it fails....because it will...

Anyway good choices!
spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6950|Perth. Western Australia

Stormscythe wrote:

Stormscythe wrote:

-> Thermaltake Big Typhoon to be replaced by Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro - about the same performance but easier to install (no need to add a backplate - though you'll have that mobo outside anyway, so dunno) and some nice thermal paste (Arctic Silver 5, lowered my CPU temp with AC7Pro from 53°C under heavy load for about 8°C to 44°C overall which is pretty neat for a P4 Prescott)

spray_and_pray wrote:

LOL are you joking the cooler costs $65AU on will save on the lifetime for the E6600
Didn't say you shouldn't take a better cooler than the boxed one... Just if you're already investing in a good cooler, then why not add some thermal paste which is better than a pre-applied pad?
Did I ever say we aren't adding thermal paste?
Stormscythe
Aiming for the head
+88|7008|EUtopia | Austria

spray_and_pray wrote:

Did I ever say we aren't adding thermal paste?

spray_and_pray never wrote:

WE WON'T ADD ANY SORT OF THERMAL PASTE !!!1!one!1eleven!
Sorry for this spam. Hope you don't take it serious
Just well - I mean - ask that 'special' expert what cooling he uses. I mean, never again a boxed cooler...

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