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2007-01-22 09:01:25
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7195|Salt Lake City

Bell wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

spray_and_pray wrote:

He might get another 8800GTS in future thats why the SLI 650i.
650i is a good decision.

350W would not cut it. A 500W would be fine, but a 750W will give you the potential to go SLI if you decide to, so is probably a good decision.

Two drives in RAID is better than just one, might be an idea to go for that if you can. But RAID does often cause complications.

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

The NV chipsets are crap
They are not crap. They perform better than the Intel chpsets in SLI or not. The 680i is the best chipset available at the moment.


If you seriously think that the NV chipsets are better than the Intel chipsets, you are seriously delusional.
You cant really argue with the benchmarks, and they clearly state the Nvidia motherboards surpass intel chipsets.  Would only be delusional to claim the intel chipsets are better after reading the benchmark results.  Like was said, the N680i is the best on the market, and if price is an issue, the n650i should be your choice.

I dont really see the point in this thread, the creator clearly knew it was nonsence, and to be honest this is one of those, my friends friend is a prick because *insert circumstances here*.  Regardless, if he really does work in a computer shop (which I really doubt) he needs a change of carrear (why pick one in computers when u dont know anything is beyond me) which is why I doubt he really does work with them.

Martyn
And that is why you are a novice.  The NV chipsets do not win every benchmark, first off, and the ones where it does win are usually small.  Now, lets move on to what really counts.  It doesn't matter how fast a chipset is if you don't have reliability.  Sorry to say but in terms of stability, reliability, and compatibility, the Intel chipsets smoke the NV chipsets.

If you want to go SLI, then you have no choice in the matter.  Maybe in another chipset generation or two NV will have their chipset issues ironed out.  They certainly didn't get AMD chipsets right the first time, and it wasn't until the NF3 that they really had what you could call a good chipset.  This is their first Intel chipset, and it has problems, and as I said, they should have most of that ironed out in another chipset or two.
2007-01-22 09:07:44
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|7008|UK

spray_and_pray wrote:

Bell wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:


If you seriously think that the NV chipsets are better than the Intel chipsets, you are seriously delusional.
You cant really argue with the benchmarks, and they clearly state the Nvidia motherboards surpass intel chipsets.  Would only be delusional to claim the intel chipsets are better after reading the benchmark results.  Like was said, the N680i is the best on the market, and if price is an issue, the n650i should be your choice.

I dont really see the point in this thread, the creator clearly knew it was nonsence, and to be honest this is one of those, my friends friend is a prick because *insert circumstances here*.  Regardless, if he really does work in a computer shop (which I really doubt) he needs a change of carrear (why pick one in computers when u dont know anything is beyond me) which is why I doubt he really does work with them.

Martyn
Actually the guy in question is a clanmate living on the other side of Australia I have never met him personally so I dont know him or his friend technically infact I have never even got into contact with his friend. I asked here to check if what I thought was sure so I could prove to the guy that he was speaking bullshit. Go troll somewhere else.
Yet you stated:

'This friend is supposed to work at a PC store (possibly arrow computers still not sure wil have to source it but he sounds like their tech.)'

And that what I was 'trolling' (whatever that is) on.

Martyn
2007-01-22 09:11:01
spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6950|Perth. Western Australia

Bell wrote:

spray_and_pray wrote:

Bell wrote:


You cant really argue with the benchmarks, and they clearly state the Nvidia motherboards surpass intel chipsets.  Would only be delusional to claim the intel chipsets are better after reading the benchmark results.  Like was said, the N680i is the best on the market, and if price is an issue, the n650i should be your choice.

I dont really see the point in this thread, the creator clearly knew it was nonsence, and to be honest this is one of those, my friends friend is a prick because *insert circumstances here*.  Regardless, if he really does work in a computer shop (which I really doubt) he needs a change of carrear (why pick one in computers when u dont know anything is beyond me) which is why I doubt he really does work with them.

Martyn
Actually the guy in question is a clanmate living on the other side of Australia I have never met him personally so I dont know him or his friend technically infact I have never even got into contact with his friend. I asked here to check if what I thought was sure so I could prove to the guy that he was speaking bullshit. Go troll somewhere else.
Yet you stated:

'This friend is supposed to work at a PC store (possibly arrow computers still not sure wil have to source it but he sounds like their tech.)'

And that what I was 'trolling' (whatever that is) on.

Martyn
Do you even know the quality of arrow computers in Australia seeing that you live in Scotland for all you know I could have said a good thing. Also read im trying to convince the guy. Me alone saying it wont work is pointless I would be biased since I pretty much made up the parts. If everyone else said so whats the point of listening to a guy to whom no one agree's to. Also since he is supposedly a tech and I am a small prop pilot I would think that the tech would know more then me and could be right but I thought he was wrong.
2007-01-22 09:27:18
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|7008|UK

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Bell wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

If you seriously think that the NV chipsets are better than the Intel chipsets, you are seriously delusional.
You cant really argue with the benchmarks, and they clearly state the Nvidia motherboards surpass intel chipsets.  Would only be delusional to claim the intel chipsets are better after reading the benchmark results.  Like was said, the N680i is the best on the market, and if price is an issue, the n650i should be your choice.

I dont really see the point in this thread, the creator clearly knew it was nonsence, and to be honest this is one of those, my friends friend is a prick because *insert circumstances here*.  Regardless, if he really does work in a computer shop (which I really doubt) he needs a change of carrear (why pick one in computers when u dont know anything is beyond me) which is why I doubt he really does work with them.

Martyn
And that is why you are a novice.  The NV chipsets do not win every benchmark, first off, and the ones where it does win are usually small.  Now, lets move on to what really counts.  It doesn't matter how fast a chipset is if you don't have reliability.  Sorry to say but in terms of stability, reliability, and compatibility, the Intel chipsets smoke the NV chipsets.

If you want to go SLI, then you have no choice in the matter.  Maybe in another chipset generation or two NV will have their chipset issues ironed out.  They certainly didn't get AMD chipsets right the first time, and it wasn't until the NF3 that they really had what you could call a good chipset.  This is their first Intel chipset, and it has problems, and as I said, they should have most of that ironed out in another chipset or two.
Disagree, ever heard of NF4 SLI, nvidia 590i motherboards.  Making this gen there third outing on the motherboard in recent times (certainly when SLI is concerned).  Secondly, out of the majority of benchmarks I have seen the Nvidia chip set is clearly ahead of its intel competitors.

E.g 'The Asus Striker Extreme demolishes the competition' tomshardware.com

Benchmark example:

https://img265.imageshack.us/img265/571/motherboards4ye.gif

Clearly states the Extreme wins, but not only, that n680i based motherboards on a whole, defeat the intel chipsets.  'SLI capability and extended controller features are the best reasons to choose a 680i chipset motherboard over competing Intel chipset products' which ofcourse is why I personally bought one.

When stability is concerned, I run an E6600 at around the 3.5Ghz mark and its running perfectly well, and doesnt have any real major additional colling that you wouldnt find in a intel based system.  Course the n680i isnt the best choice for all, ICH8 isnt a bad choice either, but for the SLI and overclocking potential the Nv chip presents a better choice for me personally, and a wide range of gamers out there.

Novice?  I laugh at you, Intermediate perhaps, I do not know everything yet even I and/or anyone else can look at a graph and pick out what is better .

'Bah wrong benchmark, give me a little while till I get the proper one '

Martyn

Last edited by Bell (2007-01-22 09:29:05)

2007-01-22 09:34:04
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7040|SE London

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

spray_and_pray wrote:

He might get another 8800GTS in future thats why the SLI 650i.
650i is a good decision.

350W would not cut it. A 500W would be fine, but a 750W will give you the potential to go SLI if you decide to, so is probably a good decision.

Two drives in RAID is better than just one, might be an idea to go for that if you can. But RAID does often cause complications.

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

The NV chipsets are crap
They are not crap. They perform better than the Intel chpsets in SLI or not. The 680i is the best chipset available at the moment.

Toms Hardware Guide wrote:

Nvidia's nForce 680i SLI is the best chipset for Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad systems, but only for real enthusiasts and hardcore gamers. The performance differences between the Intel chipsets and Nvidia's high-flyer are only noticeable if you're willing to spend a lot of money on premium components for your nForce 680i SLI platform; this will allow you to exploit its amazing overclocking features and use it to its full potential.
If you seriously think that the NV chipsets are better than the Intel chipsets, you are seriously delusional.
They are better. Simple as that. They are more expensive and probably not such good value. But they perform better. Especially if you use Nvidia GPUs in them, SLI or not.

You're talking complete rubbish.

Here are some benchmarks comparing the two:

Conroe 3500 CPU/1400 FSB      Nforce 680i      Intel 975X
3D Mark 06        
UXGA                                                9894     9813
CPU                                                 3002      2995
Sandra 2007        
CPU int                                            32358     32339
CPU fp                                                22136     22143
MM int                                                193677     193612
MM fp                                                104122     104106
Mem int                                         7563     7186
Mem fp                                                 7551     7189
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36579

Much better overclocking features, improved speed for Nvidia GPUs and consistently better 3d benchmark scores make the 680i chipset by far and away the best chipset for gamers.

If you disagree you either don't know what you're talking about or you're an idiot.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-01-22 09:35:11)

2007-01-22 09:40:51
spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6950|Perth. Western Australia
If you disagree you either don't know what you're talking about or you're an idiot.
I like these options.
2007-01-22 09:45:52
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7040|SE London

spray_and_pray wrote:

If you disagree you either don't know what you're talking about or you're an idiot.
I like these options.
They're the only options.

The 680i perform best at what it's supposed to be best at. High resolution 3d gaming (where it beats the Intel chipsets) and overclocking functionality. You can get higher FSBs on air with a 680i than on any Intel chipset I've ever seen and you can run the memory totally unlinked with no loss of performance.

The Intel chipsets beat it in a few benchmarks for video editing and audio encoding and they may beat it in some low end 3d benchmarks, I don't know. But for high end 3d performance and overclocking potential the 680i is untouchable at the moment.

As for stability, I continue to be amazed by how much stability the 680i gives even at ludicrous clock rates and FSBs. Whilst I haven't had the opportunity to play around with a 975x, I have with a 965 - which didn't even come close to matching the amazing stability of the 680i.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-01-22 09:50:20)

2007-01-22 10:07:26
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7195|Salt Lake City

Yeah, I've been doing this for 15 years now.  I work in the IT field and maintain a bank of nearly two dozen different servers.  I've built, overclocked, upgraded, diagnosed, and repaired more computers and servers than I care to mention....but what do I know?
2007-01-22 10:13:29
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7040|SE London

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Yeah, I've been doing this for 15 years now.  I work in the IT field and maintain a bank of nearly two dozen different servers.  I've built, overclocked, upgraded, diagnosed, and repaired more computers and servers than I care to mention....but what do I know?
If you think the 975X is better than the 680i, not much apparently.

I've been doing this for 10 years now. Have my degree in Computer Engineering and have done a lot of work in IT, mainly hardware related. But what do I (and anyone who has written reviews comparing the two chipsets) know.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-01-22 10:14:35)

2007-01-22 10:14:28
Stormscythe
Aiming for the head
+88|7008|EUtopia | Austria

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Yeah, I've been doing this for 15 years now.  I work in the IT field and maintain a bank of nearly two dozen different servers.  I've built, overclocked, upgraded, diagnosed, and repaired more computers and servers than I care to mention....but what do I know?
In your business, I think, it's important to have stable hardware that is reliable and works over years. Intel maybe has the better quality, but for any gamer, I think, nVidia might still be the first choice - as we all are longing for the last itch of speed we can get.
Well, but what can I say about nVidia... Been on Intel chipsets since - well, since my very first pc

PS: I love experts disagreeing, shows again that there's no such thing like an absolute opinion!

Last edited by Stormscythe (2007-01-22 10:15:32)

2007-01-22 10:19:39
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7040|SE London

Stormscythe wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Yeah, I've been doing this for 15 years now.  I work in the IT field and maintain a bank of nearly two dozen different servers.  I've built, overclocked, upgraded, diagnosed, and repaired more computers and servers than I care to mention....but what do I know?
In your business, I think, it's important to have stable hardware that is reliable and works over years. Intel maybe has the better quality, but for any gamer, I think, nVidia might still be the first choice - since we all are longing for the last itch of speed we can get.
Well, but what can I say about nVidia... Been on Intel chipsets since - well, since my very first pc
You make a very good point.

Nvidia chipsets do sometimes have issues that can be annoying. But overall speed and features on their chipsets tend to be (there was an early socket 940 chipset that was a bit lame if I remember rightly) unmatched by Intel equivalents.

It is certainly worth pointing out there have been issues with the 680i (that were promptly fixed with a BIOS update, but nevertheless still annoying).

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-01-22 10:20:58)

 

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