Stormscythe
Aiming for the head
+88|6820|EUtopia | Austria
In almost every discussion about weapons, unlocks and many more stuffs people notice the AK-47 being underrated and instantly find the reason for this in the lack of a PLA urban map.
At the same moment I really really wonder why Songhua Stalemate only played on such a few servers. If there ought to be one map that comes close to urban combat in the Chinese theater it is for sure this one. We've got numerous hiding spots, fast vehicles and a little bit of urban terrain around almost every flag, at least, they are not exposed to fire such a lot.
It is furthermore one of the most balanced maps, just like Mashtuur City.

Also, has anyone yet noticed the similarities between Mashtuur and Songhua?

Both don't have any attack choppers but lots of vehicles for transport.
Both have great hiding spots.
Both are not armor dominated (might sound strange for Songhua, but it's true).
Both should be known for fierce battles within small areas and multiple directions of which an assault could come from.

Let's take a closer look at the setup of both maps:
https://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3170/mashtuursonghuamixtureor9.jpg
Note: I rotated Songhua a little and we see how similar the main flags are placed.
Also, we get something like a kettle and still, the main flags can be reached on similar ways.

Now, I've already said that Songhua isn't that armor-dominated. It's freakin' true. This is a map where it's rather easy to earn golden stars as an anti tank since you have lots of shelter to pop out, with some medic along your side, and a squad of 4-5 people (the more the better) this map is really great fun.

This one ought to be played much, much more.
CoronadoSEAL
pics or it didn't happen
+207|6789|USA
i enjoy the ak47 and never get a chance to use it...
11sog_raider
a gaurdian of life
+112|6730|behind my rifle
nice. its odd how close the flags are together, now that i think about it. i love that map for sniping
Goven
/̵͇̿̿/'̿'̿ ̿
+125|6752|Purdue
I hate Songhua. It's far from a city/urban map in my book.
Gamematt
Stocking ur medpacks
+135|6933|Groningen, The Netherlands
I did a sniper battle on there a few days ago.

6 clanmembers, 3 vs 3....it was really good fun.

No commanders and on the 16 player version, no taking flags just hidin and killin
Fallschirmjager10
Member
+36|6731
Strange. If you go to options then video look at the map at top right of screen.. Its a city map for China. I wonder why it never made it into the game?
MrE`158
Member
+103|6894

Goven wrote:

I hate Songhua. It's far from a city/urban map in my book.
Well, it's clearly not a city/urban map.  You can tell by the lack of buildings.  Or streets. 

But it's definitely a good map for infantry.  As the OP said, it's not a map easily dominated by Armour.  Apart from lots of cover for AT troops, there's a lot of shallow water you have to drive through, which is perfect for hiding landmines, and it also has a good spread of TOW/HJ-8 sites, which have decent fields of fire (for a change).
t0mhank5
Member
+319|6983|Surge
songhua is a brilliant map, i just wish more realized it.
the War is Hell Gaming I/O server had a trial run on it for awhile, but it was taken off cause the server population dropped on it.
UnknownRanger
Squirrels, natures little speedbump.
+610|6616|Cali
I love songhua / along with the AK-47 I wish they could subsatute the AK-47 with the MP5 or somthing, or some other shitty gun.

Last edited by UnknownRanger (2007-01-28 11:48:24)

Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7037|UK
Songhua is great when u have a good squad, ive played it a few times with some mates and its just awesome. We owned ass, they sent waves of tanks and APC's with infantry against one flag but 5 of us held it for the whole game.
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|6991|California

Where in China is there an "urban" setting, besides major cities?
ShowMeTheMonkey
Member
+125|6973
Hey! Another person who likes the maps that aren't rotated!! Am I the only person who like Stalemate and Wetlands?
Rabbit.v2
Banned
+186|6799|stalker.

Vilham wrote:

Songhua is great when u have a good squad, ive played it a few times with some mates and its just awesome. We owned ass, they sent waves of tanks and APC's with infantry against one flag but 5 of us held it for the whole game.
Yea i know what u are talking about we where flying around in blackhawk and capped flags and our squadleader where 150 meters up in the air so we could spawn on him when we died.
Stormscythe
Aiming for the head
+88|6820|EUtopia | Austria

ShowMeTheMonkey wrote:

Am I the only person who like Stalemate and Wetlands?
As far as Wetlands are concerned, yes. I just hate those bombers erasing whole squads, same for the attack choppers
Strngs012
Could I have 10,000 marbles please
+40|6689|Florida

ShowMeTheMonkey wrote:

Hey! Another person who likes the maps that aren't rotated!! Am I the only person who like Stalemate and Wetlands?
I love Zatar Wetlands, I play it alot in SP because I can never find a server with it in rotation. If I do stumble upon one, the round is usually almost over and then they are on to another map.
Snake
Missing, Presumed Dead
+1,046|6837|England

If you want to use the AK-47 extensively, play as an MECSF medic on the SF maps. Mostly applicable to Gator.


Stormscythe wrote:

This one ought to be played much, much more.
Amen to that.

On IO mode, the map is actually really good fun. Its like Vietnam (even if Songhua isnt in Vietnam ), with all the fog, jungle and rivers. You get RIB's going round completely full up with an entire squad. Its amazing.

I do prefer it with vehicles though (big distances to cover otherwise...unless you have a RIB), however, it is one of a few maps which I will play IO on.

I wonder how many people would actually play on a 24/7 Songhua server. I certainly would.
Fallschirmjager10
Member
+36|6731

Snake wrote:

I wonder how many people would actually play on a 24/7 Songhua server. I certainly would.
Same here.
r'Eeee
That's how I roll, BITCH!
+311|6719

I hate Songhua... covered with trees, and the weather sucks
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6936|NT, like Mick Dundee

Fallschirmjager10 wrote:

Snake wrote:

I wonder how many people would actually play on a 24/7 Songhua server. I certainly would.
Same here.
One was running for a while. I did but my ping was shitty...
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
De_Jappe
Triarii
+432|6798|Belgium

It used to be played more often, then they nerfed the blackhawk, kinda sad though, I like that map. Used to play it a lot as SpecOps in the early days.
Fallschirmjager10
Member
+36|6731

Flecco wrote:

Fallschirmjager10 wrote:

Snake wrote:

I wonder how many people would actually play on a 24/7 Songhua server. I certainly would.
Same here.
One was running for a while. I did but my ping was shitty...
Yeah.. just finished a game of it on a server with 165+ ping, no US songhua servers!
CC-Marley
Member
+407|7100

ShowMeTheMonkey wrote:

Hey! Another person who likes the maps that aren't rotated!! Am I the only person who like Stalemate and Wetlands?
No you are not. I enjoy them. Too bad most servers running them are in Europe.
Snake
Missing, Presumed Dead
+1,046|6837|England

CC-Marley wrote:

ShowMeTheMonkey wrote:

Hey! Another person who likes the maps that aren't rotated!! Am I the only person who like Stalemate and Wetlands?
No you are not. I enjoy them. Too bad most servers running them are in Europe.
Woah. I always find its only US servers running Songhua....

There used to be a TV2 Songhua, but it got shutdown due to no activity.
There is a TV2 Zatar that is often running, but never goes above 15v15.
ShowMeTheMonkey
Member
+125|6973
All I dream about now is a server with every single map rotation on except Karkhand.
All the people on the server are great teamworkers and have full 6/6 squads.
Everyone has a mic.
Great low ping.

And no flying commanders....


IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR!!!!!!!
Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7114|Reykjavík, Iceland.
The AK-47 is the best assault rifle in the game IMO, beats the AK-101.

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