SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|7122|The darkside of Denver
Hello everyone.

Ok, My current P.C. was custom built for me by a local mom and pop computer shop. However, I'm ready to take the plunge and basically rebuild my system. I have moderate pc knowledge, since my initial purchase of the pc i have upgraded the video cards, added zalman coolers to one of them, new sound card, and installed a new hard drive. So i know my way around my case.

Heres my dilema. My tax return will be arrive soon and im going to rebuild my system. here are my current specs.
Case: THermaltake Tsunami Dream
MOBO: Asus A8N SLI
PSU: Aspire 680w sli psu
CPU: AMD 3500+
RAM: 2 Gigs corsair pc 3200
HDD: 160 WD
HDD2: 250 WD
GPU: 2x BFG 7900 GT's in SLI
SOUND: XFI platinum
MISC optical drives.

Im going to purchase the following next week. (im listing these verbatim from my cart)
MOBO: EVGA 122-CK-NF68-AR LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail
RAM: CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
NEW OS: Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Home Premium for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM
*** also getting misc build stuff, thermal compound etc..

Ok heres the question (finally).
Im going to recycle alot of my old parts, namely the two hard drives, optical drives (DVD & DVDRW), the power supply, and the case. Since im going to recycle the HDD how do i go about installing the new hardware and new OS? Windows XP is installed on the 160gb haddrive as well as all of my games etc.

Heres what i was thinking about doing. i was going to gut my case and install the new hardware w/ the old hard drive. then install Vista, But i dont think that will work. any help would be AWESOME.

Slightly confused,
Sonder

Last edited by <SS>SonderKommando (2007-02-13 21:03:49)

The Stillhouse Kid
Licensed Televulcanologist
+126|7104|Deep In The South Of Texas
Whenever I do a big upgrade like you are I always do a full reformat and install. That way you start off with a clean slate, no worries about old drivers or settings going haywire.
SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|7122|The darkside of Denver
Well im going to be isntalling a new OS (vista). so how would you recommend doing that? should i leave my existing drives as is. rip out my old components,  install the new ones (mobo,cpu,and ram), then boot up and install vista? Or do i need to fuck with my hardrive before i go about gutting everything? If i need to mess with the hard drive first what do i do and how do i do it.

P.S. i love fried okra.
The Stillhouse Kid
Licensed Televulcanologist
+126|7104|Deep In The South Of Texas
Get everything put together, CPU, mobo, GPU, drives, etc. and then boot with the Vista disk and have it do a reformat and then install. Once Vista is installed install your mobo, GPU and other drivers and then games and personal stuff(music & pr0n).


P.S. Everybody loves fried okra, some people just don't know yet.
SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|7122|The darkside of Denver
fuck yeah okra. Thats what i was planning on doing. So recap time. Im going to come home. see my wonderful bounty of newegg parts. tear open the box and rip open my case. install each component, then boot up. Insert Vista Cd and go from there?

BTW you earned yourself some serious karma!
The Stillhouse Kid
Licensed Televulcanologist
+126|7104|Deep In The South Of Texas
Sounds like you got it down. Good luck!
PvtStPoK
paintball > bf2
+48|6977|montreal, quebec

dont go with vista 64bits, its kinda useless since most of applciations, including bf2, dont qork on 64bits.go for vista 32bits imo
The Stillhouse Kid
Licensed Televulcanologist
+126|7104|Deep In The South Of Texas
BF2 works on 64-bit Vista. Google it.
SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|7122|The darkside of Denver
Thanks again!
kylef
Gone
+1,352|6956|N. Ireland
If I give you good advice can I have the recycled parts for free?
OakLeaves
Banned
+70|6778|Newcastle UK
damn i would love that rig i just had to spend £120 on a new gfx card since mine went bang.
CaptainSpaulding71
Member
+119|6819|CA, USA
check the EVGA message boards regarding that board.  it's definitely flaky.  i have one.  here's my saga:

1) bought EVGA 680i board jan 20
2)  failed to boot when in SLI mode (had to upgrade bios to P24)
3)  put mobo in case and it shorted out - believe one of the pins of the inductors on the board was too long and made contact with the back of the case.  suggest snipping these off.  board build quality is not great.  lot of caps were bent at 45 degrees, etc when i opened the box.
4)  got new board last week.  had p24 bios installed already (lucky).  i was able to boot win xp, etc with mobo in the case and everything.  knock wood it stays stable.  supposedly there is new bios (p25) but i haven't installed it.

with my zalman 9700 cpu cooler, i was able to boost the frequency of my QX6700 to 3.4 GHz from 2.66GHz.  my temps are in the high 50C range during stress and 39C idle and this is at 1.325V.  i can do 3.6GHz by playing with FSB and voltages, but it isn't stable for 3dmark06 (it will run xp and bf2 - just not benchmark). 

word is that you can't get real high FSBs on these boards for some reason (at least with quad cores).  i managed my speed increase by mucking with multiplier (fsb is only 1133 i think).  the board is supposed to be capable of 1333 FSB.  if you are interested in overclocking, again, check the evga boards.  every time i go above 1200 FSB, it won't boot.

i wish you luck on your build! 

http://www.evga.com/community/messagebo … ORUM_ID=26
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"Don't post while intoxicated."
+356|7047|England
I would...

1. Copy all your important files that you want to one HDD.
2. Wipe the XP HHD clean.
3. Build "new" pc.
4. Put in the clean drive.
5. Install Vista.
6. Put in the 2nd HDD.
7. Play BF2 until your eyes crust over.

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,077|7234|PNW

I recommend:

1. Back up your data to a storage drive.
2. Wipe your XP drive.
3. Install XP to one drive.
4. Install Vista to another, for a healthy dual-boot system (I don't recommend using the same drive for two operating systems).
5. If Vista pisses you off at any point, you can go back to XP. Personally, I'm only going to Vista when I stick together a nice little (or will be, once Vista gets its hands on it) 4GB system, and only when DX10 compatibility forces me to do so. Vista is such a trashy piece of work that it makes Windows 95 look like a viable upgrade from 3.11.
6. Ignore suggestions about going to Macs and running BootCamp. I see $3000 Mac systems with freaking 7300GT video cards and DDR2-667 memory.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-02-14 17:41:48)

SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|7122|The darkside of Denver

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

1) bought EVGA 680i board jan 20
2)  failed to boot when in SLI mode (had to upgrade bios to P24)
3)  put mobo in case and it shorted out - believe one of the pins of the inductors on the board was too long and made contact with the back of the case.  suggest snipping these off.  board build quality is not great.  lot of caps were bent at 45 degrees, etc when i opened the box.
Hmmm. thats a little un- nerving. I guess i will be careful not to fry it. Did they replace it for free even though it was semi you fault? W/ the new BIOS did u get the SLi working? Is there another 680i board i could consider that may have better results? I'm certainly up for suggestions.

Last edited by <SS>SonderKommando (2007-02-14 17:49:37)

CaptainSpaulding71
Member
+119|6819|CA, USA
i bought the board from Fry's electronics (chain store here in CA) so i just returned it to them and said it was a bad board and got a new one on the spot since it was within their 15 day window for returns on bad product. 

the new board luckily had p24 bios which had the sli fix so i didn't have to do anything special with new board and i got sli working out of the box.  also, the new board had better build quality.  however, to be safe, i snipped off some of the end of those inductors so they wouldn't hit the back of my case.  runs like a champ now (knock wood).

the EVGA is a board based on the reference design done by nvidia.  EVGA and the others all use the same design from what i hear so they should all suffer from mostly the same core issues. 

i maintain that the EVGA board is a good board - just that it's a bit flaky from my experience.  once you get it running, it kicks butt.  plus, it's cheaper than the ASUS Striker by about a hundred bucks.  Now, the striker has cool things like english POST codes instead of numbers, lit up text indicating what the IO port connectors do, and also has a built in reset-cmos switch.  but for 100 bucks extra?  there's probably more to it, but i paid 270 and am happy enough with EVGA overall.  i probably could get things cheaper from newegg, etc but i'm impatient and like to go to store and buy it - no waiting.

now, if you are getting new mobo/processor, etc, i'd consider upgrading your stock cpu cooler as well.  i got the Zalman 9700LED cooler for about 70 bucks.  the thing rocks.  it's frickin huge however it really cools the cpu well.  it also should come with a small nail-polish sized bottle of their thermal grease which makes applying that stuff really easy (using brush built into the cap).  i did have to modify the backplate of the cooler but with a xacto knife or boxcutter (what i used), its really easy.  on that evga site i sent you can see instructions which i basically followed.  Now, this cooler dropped my temps by probably 10 or 20 degrees C under load.  with your chip, i hear people getting 1-1.5GHz over stock.  i'm saying this to you because while you have the chance, put the cooler on from the start so you don't have to take the mobo in/out/in/out and risk all kinds of goofy problems.  just something to think about. 

let me know if i can help if you do get the board.  i'll do whatever i can, ok?

good luck!
SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|7122|The darkside of Denver
I'm most likely getting teh EVGA board.  One of my clan mates has it and has had good reviews. I will keep your comments in mind though.  Im thinking about getting the Zalman cooler for teh E6600, but i dont plan on OCing quite yet. Is the stock Heat sink and fan not up to snuff on the C2D's?
Jbrar
rawr
+86|7004|Winterpeg, Canada
The stock cooler and heatsink on my e6600 keeps temps a cool 34 degrees celcius at idle, and max 40 under load. Just make sure you got good airflow above and below the heatsink and fan.
CaptainSpaulding71
Member
+119|6819|CA, USA
the stock fan is fine.  just if you overclock, you sometimes need to boost the voltages to get the higher frequencies.  this results in more heat being created.  there comes a point where the stock fan just can't get rid of the heat enough. 

for sure the core2 chips run alot cooler than previous generation dual cores like 8xx and 9xx series.  i previously had a 840D-EE and it was like a toaster oven on my desk during the summer.  really hot and that was with a mild 10% overclock.  i had the stock fan at that time.  the board i was using then was the ASUS p5n32-sli from 2005 and the northbridge on that thing was really hot.  on the evga, the northbridge has a fan and it's alot cooler than i had with other board. 

personally i don't care much about the fan noise since i game with headsets but it's all quite loud with all the fans going.  i run everything at 100%.  too scared at this point to go to water cooling since i do take it to lan parties occasionally.
The Stillhouse Kid
Licensed Televulcanologist
+126|7104|Deep In The South Of Texas
Another reason to replace the stock cooler is noise. My AC Freezer 64 is much quieter than the stock AMD cooler.
SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|7122|The darkside of Denver
I see. Noise isn't too much of a problem for me. My system already sounds like a freaking blackhawk roaring through the skies of Baghdad.  The case fans in this Tsunami case are LOUD. That Zalman cooler fits on pretty much every thing right?
CaptainSpaulding71
Member
+119|6819|CA, USA
the zalman should fit but it might be tight.  the heat sink part has these fins that are actually cross over the plane of the board up near where the power supply usually is in the ATX form factor.  so to say a different way, the thing is too big to fit within the confines of the board dimensions.  i was worried about this but it turned out to not be a problem for me.  i have about 3/4 of an inch clearance between the top edge of the board and the power supply and it fits  for me.  i have it oriented such that the fan blows the air out the back.  now, if you can't fit it that way, you can orient the thing so it blows the air from bottom to top of the case (vertical alignment).  if you do it this way, your memory might have problem if you are using fancy tall heat spreaders.

bottom line:  i think you'll be fine with the zalman oriented horizontally blowing air out the back of the case.

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