Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6598

Well is there any good way to do it if you got a squad leader with a stick up his.....Computer Mouse?  It seems when I'm commander and I ask for a squad to do something, even the simplest thing like attack an infantry on the ground that's near them...Going to a flag....They say 'negative' and continue on their noobish hunt for glory.

Maybe I can deny them supplies/uav/vehicle drop until they accept their duties? Then they'll probably just team kill me.
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6977|67.222.138.85
I would suggest a clan.
norge
J-10 and a coke please
+18|6740
play with friends duh.
Eagle
Togs8896 is my evil alter ego
+567|6901|New Hampshire, USA
No one's gonna listen to you unless theyre you personal friends, in your clan, or somewhat high.

It's sad but its somewhat true
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m4s3rchi3f
Member
+122|6565
I don't care...I just play for the squad leader mins....unless I really wanna win, then I just yell at them over and over.
basetballjones
Member
+30|7019
First, VOIP communication is a must.  People are 100% more likely to listen to you if they hear you say it, and mean it.  Not to mention "enemy infantry spotted" or "attack this position" can be drowned out by battle, the squad is otherwise engaged and cannot respond, or they are simply playing some mad jams and totaly not listening to the game at all, anyway.

Get on a first name basis:  when you call out to your squads, first order of business is to address the squadleader by name- that really gets their attention and let's them know (if only subconciously) that you are involved, you are watching out for them, and most importantly- you are paying attention to them specifically.

When a squad does your bidding, make sure you reward them with a "your the best squad" at least.. once again, complimenting the squad with your own voice makes all the difference in the world. 

Did you just send a squad across a long distance to do whatever?  have a car dropping before they are done with their objective, and if it included fighting- supplies.  Make sure you spot around their destination- even if your scan shows nothing- spot anyway, it let's an experienced squad leader know you are watching over him and trying to find potential targets.. or better with voip, tell them it's clear, and another scan will run in 12 seconds.

In the end- no one has to listen to you at all, and many wont.. but I have started a round commanding people to cap this, attack that, mine there only to get "fuck yous",  "yeah, whatever's" and etc.. many of those rounds ended with those same people working with me as I kept the lines of communication open, kept the squads informed and kept the assets live and jumpin.
viper313
One Shot, One Kill
+53|6912|Minnesota
If I am in a squad I will usually follow the orders unless he is asking my to go to the other end of the F@#$ing map and there are enemys taking the flag right next to me.  I hate that sh!t.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6977|67.222.138.85

m4s3rchi3f wrote:

I don't care...I just play for the squad leader mins....unless I really wanna win, then I just yell at them over and over.
Says someone with a name like m4s(t?)3rchi3f.

I'll usually try to follow commander's orders, but some days you just need to kill someone in game or you might do it in real life.
VicktorVauhn
Member
+319|6662|Southern California
Forcing teamwork is always a pain in the ass, and I deffinatly haven't figured it out.

But VOIP, if your not saying it over voice Id say you have little to no chance.Its much easier to ignore text then voice.

Your best bet would probably be something like "3 is moving into position to capture refinery, defend your position until they have control, then move to North Docks."

Or what ever...not boring them with the details of your plan, but at least making sure its apparent that you have on.

So often you get commanders who are very much just looking at the moment, rather then a bigger picture. These commanders will just issue random attack orders for what ever has their attention at the current moment. These people end up getting ignored because their plan is only as deep as the current order.

You just want to make sure the squads see that you have the big picture in mind.

I rarely lead, and when I do I obay my commander....But Im more persistent, and encouraging to my squad mates when I can see that I'm carrying out part of your plan, rather then your whole plan being my current order.
Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|6900|Washington, DC

Issue an order a few times. If they don't do it, spam "You are the WORST squad I've ever had the MISFORTUNE to see"! That really really irks people.
Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6598

lol^ ok I gotta reply to some of these responses but I am hungry.
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
maxQ
Member
+2|6730|NZ
Most of the time squads won't do what you say regardless.  however if you manage to stay commander for several rounds (and win) you 'might' get squads or at least squad leaders following orders.

The best way i've found to get squad compliance is to give them plenty of hard intel in good attack/defense options and gradually they will trust you.  Always save you supply/vehicle drops until asked for.

Of course you also have the tards that want to be commander so badly they will follow you arround trying to goad you into tk's etc., all part of the glorious game called BF2.

Being commander is a fuckin thankless task, just do your best and don't be one of the wankers that uses rank to get commander then runs around inf'ing all game.
m4s3rchi3f
Member
+122|6565

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

m4s3rchi3f wrote:

I don't care...I just play for the squad leader mins....unless I really wanna win, then I just yell at them over and over.
Says someone with a name like m4s(t?)3rchi3f.

I'll usually try to follow commander's orders, but some days you just need to kill someone in game or you might do it in real life.
My name was supposed to be m4st3rchi3f but it was really late when I registered for BF2 and I didnt notice until 2 weeks later when I've already played a couple of rounds and didn't want to lose my stats. I looked up what a maser is and its apparently some laser tool for scientists to cut something?
csl
Member
+3|6546
Everything posted here is good, reward your squads with the "best squad" thing as the whole squad hears that, in my experience a single "follow orders soldier!" or "u r the worst squad" will get willful disobedience from 90% of players and/or a mutiny vote/team kill on the commander.

My most desperate tactic after all this fails and I'm sick of asking a squad to stop pointlessly raping an uncap for points while the enemy rampages unopposed across the map, taking all the flags, is to drop arty on the offending squad leader.

"Artillery, your area!!!"



It usually gets a few enemies as well, and forces that squad to re spawn at a flag closer to the action where they can do some good for the team. I've seen so many rounds where the USMC lost Sharqui because half of their side is camping at the uncaps while a few co-ordinated MEC squads cap them all out.
Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6598

-=]NS[=-Eagle wrote:

No one's gonna listen to you unless theyre somewhat high.

It's sad but its somewhat true
lol, if they are high they would never be able to drive to where I tell them to attack. They'd end up on the beach at wake starring into the suns reflections on the water
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
CTD-CaptainBuck
BLEEDING BLUE
+71|7038|Tenn
just talk shit to em. i had a whole group of guys laughing so hard cuz i was bad mouthing a sniper.

"fine, dont do anything. Other squads. squad 5 is retarded so u gotta go cover his position, cuz im fixin to drop a car on his head."
Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6598

m4s3rchi3f wrote:

My name was supposed to be m4st3rchi3f but it was really late when I registered for BF2 and I didnt notice until 2 weeks later when I've already played a couple of rounds and didn't want to lose my stats. I looked up what a maser is and its apparently some laser tool for scientists to cut something?
Because I guess, Masterchief and proper speeling would have been to cool? I still don't know what your name is supposed to be...To be honest with you. I was gonna go with 1m_D@O@'M3D but some bastard already took it....

csl wrote:

My most desperate tactic after all this fails and I'm sick of asking a squad to stop pointlessly raping an uncap for points while the enemy rampages unopposed across the map, taking all the flags, is to drop arty on the offending squad leader.

"Artillery, your area!!!"

Ha, this is the order I would do that in. First tell them "Squad leader, Artillery available ON YOUR REQUEST!" then I'd go "I Read you!" and then say "ARTILLERY YOUR AREA!" Right on his head.

maxQ wrote:

Of course you also have the tards that want to be commander so badly they will follow you arround trying to goad you into tk's etc., all part of the glorious game called BF2.

don't be one of the wankers that uses rank to get commander then runs around inf'ing all game.
QFT, dude I hear ya. A guy by the name of Jamesfklee who has 162,000 points was on (-BS-) server (Don't know who that is or what it stands for...) but he got the command position after a few rounds, and after I have been placing first for the past 4 rounds...This guy got the command cause of rank, and took the M1A2. But I told our team to mutiny him for a few reasons, got him kicked and I got the command Pos. He proceded to flashbang me endlessly and shoot me in the foot lol. I mean, ffs does he need the points?

norge wrote:

play with friends duh.
I got a problem with that option, thanks for rubbing it in!

Last edited by Im_Dooomed (2007-02-20 18:13:52)

Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
csl
Member
+3|6546

Im_Dooomed wrote:

Ha, this is the order I would do that in. First tell them "Squad leader, Artillery available ON YOUR REQUEST!" then I'd go "I Read you!" and then say "ARTILLERY YOUR AREA!" Right on his head.
Ha ha, I'm stealing this.

In RL comanders make decisions like this all the time, send a squad to their deaths to save a company, well the team loses 2-3 tickets yes but then we hold onto more flags which gives us a few dozen/score/hundred tickets that we would have otherwise lost
killer21
Because f*ck you that's why.
+400|6861|Reisterstown, MD

One thing I hate is a commander/squad leader constantly telling me to go here or go there.  I will often "follow orders" but if you bug the heck out of me, I will completely ignore you and do my own thing.  Most of the time, that entails capturing flags or raping someone.  Damn, I love raping.
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7099|Grapevine, TX
Become a regular on one or two servers. Command well, Win battles and players will start to notice and listen.

If you are a very good Commander stop by my server, a 24/7 Dragon Valley... IP is over there <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6598

killer21 wrote:

One thing I hate is a commander/squad leader constantly telling me to go here or go there.  I will often "follow orders" but if you bug the heck out of me, I will completely ignore you and do my own thing.  Most of the time, that entails capturing flags or raping someone.  Damn, I love raping.
lmao, you had me as commander once?

"Move to this posistion"
..."Sorry, my bad."

"Attack here!"
..."Negative."

"Defend this position!"
..."Sorry, my bad."

"Move to this position..."

"Follow orders soldier!"

"Attack here!"

I can do this for a whole round lol.(jk)
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
genius_man16
Platinum Star whore
+365|6948|Middle of nowhere
I usually comply with orders if the commander is using VIOP, or if i can tell that he/she knows what they're doing, other than just sending all squads to do the same thing.  It's also nice to hear "you're the best squad i've seen" after we do what he/she asks
bobroonie.bda
Member
+143|6952
I agree with alot of what people posted.

1. VOIP
2. Play with friends
3. Be a regular
4. Being an overall good comander helps, supplies, good arty hits, spotting enemy. doing your job will get you "respect" and others will be willing to help you.


I follow some orders, and not others. I'm usually on my own ajenda, trying to win. So getting an order that is not in my best intrest or the best intrest of winning is out of the question.

If I get asked to.

1. kill a near by enemy
2. kill a flanking squad
3. defend a close flag

These I will do almost 100% of the time.

I will usally not do when asked

1. repair assets. your a commander use supply crates
2. assault flags that everyone else is going is usually out of the question. I hate getting the order to assault flags. I know where to go, I do not need the commander telling me where to attack.
3. Defend this position, when we are bleeding and need flags. I will defend if there are enemy's close by, but if not, I feel the need to do fast assaults to stop the bleeding. Let the cannon fodder slow down the enemy.

You have to find a squad leader or 2 that know what there doing and help them out as much as possible by spotting the enemy around them and dropping supples while there capping or defending flags, or in need or repairs. Talk to them about flanking enemy's. The squad that listens should get extra attention. They are the ones trying to win. Help them, help you win. Do not give stupid orders. If a squad is assalting a flag, do not ask them to assault the flag there already going to. Do not arty on a flag if they are already assaulting it. If you can, watch the flag there attacking, before you arty. If they can eliminate the enemy, arty somewhere else. Try not to drop arty on a flag your main army is attacking, this will keep them from assaulting till the arty is finished, or they will be the ones dying, not the enemy. Many flags need to be swarmed and attacked quickly not waited on for respawns, in hopes arty kills a few.

Basicly communicate, if a flag gets flanked it is your fault if you did not spot the enemy. If you let flags get taken due to lack of spotting people will not listen to you.

Those that complain about to much spotting are idiots and should not be listened to. spot, spot, spot, spot. To much is way better then to little.

Last edited by bobroonie.bda (2007-02-20 20:29:04)

m4s3rchi3f
Member
+122|6565
ok IM DOOMED, masterchief is a very popular name. It was originally taken so I tried different variations of masterchief with l33t spelling but many was taken. And masterchief is from HALO, the xbox game...u know the game console that microsoft made to compete with sony. That's why its so popular...but I guess you didn't know that....
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Ohh skeet skeet
+143|6740|New York

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I would suggest a clan.
Can't go wrong here.  Unless you join a clan that suck or they're filled with 11 year old jerkoffs.  Join a clan that has a lot of members who play frequently and you'll never have to deal with a squad of comatose pussies.

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