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I have a question for my fellow Snipers
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Wow your slow.zer0fus10n wrote:
And your question is?....David.Podedworny wrote:
I have a question for my fellow Snipers
I play Ghost town either HBD or Addicted-2-Games. Like to use M95 shooting pilots and gunners out of Choppers. Played last nite killed 4 in a row trying to get the chopper up from North bridge. last one bitched about hack. His comment was one shot blew up chopper. What he didn't know was he got hit by 2 AT and my shot all at same time boom he's dead and I got credit for it. If you want to improve accuracy with sniper rifle just take SVD and cut lose on choppers get a hit point everytime if your good up goes your accuracy numbers. No damge to chopper but what the heck I use M-95 in vechile maps but M-24 I/O or L96 in most others.
Honestly you won't do very much by sitting on a building. Most snipers who are well known look down upon all the nubs on the roof tops, because...
1 you are limited to where you can see.
2 you sillouhette the sky, so anyone on the ground can see you before you can see them.
3 you're pretty much useless on anyroof.
Any sniper playing Kark, shouldn't be more than 5 feet behind all the medics going to cap the flag.
But if being kicked from a squad bothers you that much, make a squad, and if you really do as good as you say, then people WILL join in.
And everyone sniper will get shit, even the good ones, if it isn't because you're a sniper, it's because you like bolt actions and use the L9 instead of SVD or Type-88, or if you M95-ed some nub from his chopper he'll call you a hack or an unlock scrub etc.
Little kids just whine in-game like that, don't take it personally.
1 you are limited to where you can see.
2 you sillouhette the sky, so anyone on the ground can see you before you can see them.
3 you're pretty much useless on anyroof.
Any sniper playing Kark, shouldn't be more than 5 feet behind all the medics going to cap the flag.
But if being kicked from a squad bothers you that much, make a squad, and if you really do as good as you say, then people WILL join in.
And everyone sniper will get shit, even the good ones, if it isn't because you're a sniper, it's because you like bolt actions and use the L9 instead of SVD or Type-88, or if you M95-ed some nub from his chopper he'll call you a hack or an unlock scrub etc.
Little kids just whine in-game like that, don't take it personally.
i regularly spend a lot of time as a sniper in a squad. it is amazing how useful you can actually be by picking people off before they get to you and your squadmates. i generally can cause havoc as part of a good squad by severely weakening and spotting squads BEFORE they get to me and ma boyz... he-he
it is the same as aerial superiority. if you can keep your teammates from being sniped/damaged before they can get into effective range themselves you are aiding your team. every kit has both benefits and drawbacks, and the correct combination of kits in a squad can make a huge difference to the outcome of the round. just one genuinely good sniper in a squad provides excellent support to the assault/medic/support/AT/spec ops/engineer who are rushing that flag.
how many times have you spawned at a flag to find a claymore explode behind you and the guy who WAS sneaking up to knife you lying in a heap? how often have you seen a squad rushing for your not very secluded position to find that by the time they actually reach you there is only half the squad left? This is all down to your friendly neighbourhood sniper who you probably never even realise was there as the "angels on your shoulders"...
sadly, the vast majority of BF2 players are unaware of the whole team ethic that is not only necessary but also immensely satisfying.
it is the same as aerial superiority. if you can keep your teammates from being sniped/damaged before they can get into effective range themselves you are aiding your team. every kit has both benefits and drawbacks, and the correct combination of kits in a squad can make a huge difference to the outcome of the round. just one genuinely good sniper in a squad provides excellent support to the assault/medic/support/AT/spec ops/engineer who are rushing that flag.
how many times have you spawned at a flag to find a claymore explode behind you and the guy who WAS sneaking up to knife you lying in a heap? how often have you seen a squad rushing for your not very secluded position to find that by the time they actually reach you there is only half the squad left? This is all down to your friendly neighbourhood sniper who you probably never even realise was there as the "angels on your shoulders"...
sadly, the vast majority of BF2 players are unaware of the whole team ethic that is not only necessary but also immensely satisfying.
A sniper providing cover and moving with his squad is as important as any member of the squad with any kit.
A sniper who joins a squad and leaves his squad camps on a roof is on his own. And thats ok too. People play the game for different reasons. Some for pts. some for kills. some for the squad based action.
If the server rules are for teamplay, play by the rules. If not, far be it of me to tell anybody what to do.
What burns me up is when people bitch and or threaten to kick for the so called "clayWHORING".
They cry cuz you're "ABUSING" a kit. hahahaha. Is firing your machine gun or pistol or any other kit that EA PROVIDES AND ARE NOT AGAINST THE RULES considered abuse.
THE POINT IS TO KILL THE ENEMY.
I think that a well placed claymore is also as important to a team and flag defense as any thing in the game.
Too many ADMINS have a "BECAUSE I SAID SO" attitude towards those in their servers and abuse their ADMIN rights with little or no consequence.
SNIPE ON.
A sniper who joins a squad and leaves his squad camps on a roof is on his own. And thats ok too. People play the game for different reasons. Some for pts. some for kills. some for the squad based action.
If the server rules are for teamplay, play by the rules. If not, far be it of me to tell anybody what to do.
What burns me up is when people bitch and or threaten to kick for the so called "clayWHORING".
They cry cuz you're "ABUSING" a kit. hahahaha. Is firing your machine gun or pistol or any other kit that EA PROVIDES AND ARE NOT AGAINST THE RULES considered abuse.
THE POINT IS TO KILL THE ENEMY.
I think that a well placed claymore is also as important to a team and flag defense as any thing in the game.
Too many ADMINS have a "BECAUSE I SAID SO" attitude towards those in their servers and abuse their ADMIN rights with little or no consequence.
SNIPE ON.
AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH, i do the same thing, but i tell them on voice they are pieces of claymore-spamming shit before i kick them.David.Podedworny wrote:
I was kicked so many times from a squad just for being a sniper.
In truth, if you're gonna get kicked from a squad, RONIN's way IS pretty funny.
Although i disagree, it is funny.
Although i disagree, it is funny.
My hero!.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH, i do the same thing, but i tell them on voice they are pieces of claymore-spamming shit before i kick them.David.Podedworny wrote:
I was kicked so many times from a squad just for being a sniper.
1. As everybody else has said, ignore them,
2. Snipers are the most effective Infatry to infantry ..
2. Snipers are the most effective Infatry to infantry ..
My experience with snipers is the following:
They are useless.
They are the last one left alive because they didn't bother to cap a flag when they were the only person around it.
Most of the supposed "good" snipers in this thread suck large lion testicles.
They are useless and have no purpose other than to spam claymores in hopes to getting the expert ordinance badge.
I kick snipers out of my squad because more often than not, they aren't doing anything to help the team.
They are useless and this is coming from someone who has the expert sniper combat badge.
What a shower of shite.Lieutenant_Jensen wrote:
1. As everybody else has said, ignore them,
2. Snipers are the most effective Infatry to infantry ..
Oh ho! Your badge means nothing. Snipers are good if they move WITH the medics/assault, act as they would, dont spam claymores, and don't use unlocks. Take for example a MEC sniper, auto shot rifles are harder to use rather than bolts.killer21 wrote:
They are useless and this is coming from someone who has the expert sniper combat badge.
Last edited by ~[_-=*Hanma*=-_]~ (2007-05-16 14:59:18)
Interesting. You would rather have to shoot someone 2 or three times vice me taking a medic or whoever out in only one shot? Interesting.~[_-=*Hanma*=-_]~ wrote:
Oh ho! Your badge means nothing. Snipers are good if they move WITH the medics/assault, act as they would, dont spam claymores, and don't use unlocks. Take for example a MEC sniper, auto shot rifles are harder to use rather than bolts.
I dont care what anyone thinks, snipers can turn a game around by covering bases effectively, eliminating base rapers that are blowing up artillary and such, keeping choppers on the ground etc..
One shot in the head!
One shot in the head!
Oooh wow, like that makes anyone an authority FFS! You want to go down that road I have two of 'em, and two Expert Sniper Specialists, by your implication that makes me the person to listen to > you. Putting that kind of nonsense aside, any decent shot could get the reqs every time they play without breaking a sweat, as you well know (maybe not in the short rounds you favour but at will any session).killer21 wrote:
They are useless and this is coming from someone who has the expert sniper combat badge.
Anyway, you snipe in only one type of map; no matter how good you are or think you are that means you only have one perspective on a single type of sniping.
Guys, any of you who like to snipe, don't pay any attention to the same sad old crap from the typical sniper-haters in the forums... they hate the kit without qualification, taking no account of the good, bad or merely indifferent players using it, no account of individual player's skills, don't distinguish between a claymore-spamming nubcake or a smart tactical player who uses them just for flag defence and is among the top scorers on the team with the best KDR in the game (because that would require some actual thought).
And like many people have had to point out many times before about the "they're useless" rubbish, the same is true of weaker players using any kit in most any round.
And like many people have had to point out many times before about the "they're useless" rubbish, the same is true of weaker players using any kit in most any round.
It's not so much that I dislike snipers. It's just that I'm not great at it. I can lead a target decently well, but seeing people plant headshots on long (as in extreme distance) targets makes me slightly jealous.Todd_Angelo wrote:
Guys, any of you who like to snipe, don't pay any attention to the same sad old crap from the typical sniper-haters in the forums... they hate the kit without qualification, taking no account of the good, bad or merely indifferent players using it, no account of individual player's skills, don't distinguish between a claymore-spamming nubcake or a smart tactical player who uses them just for flag defence and is among the top scorers on the team with the best KDR in the game (because that would require some actual thought).
And like many people have had to point out many times before about the "they're useless" rubbish, the same is true of weaker players using any kit in most any round.
When I do play as a sniper (not very often, I tend to countersnipe with my anti-tank rockets), I try to act as a designated marksman for my squad, whether I have a bolt-action or a semi-automatic. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. There's days when I can easily snipe bunny-hoppers, and there's other (more common) days where I just can't hit anything.
Everyone has their own little niche, I guess.
Lawls, only nubs use more than 2 shots to kill somone with the semi-autos.killer21 wrote:
Interesting. You would rather have to shoot someone 2 or three times vice me taking a medic or whoever out in only one shot? Interesting.~[_-=*Hanma*=-_]~ wrote:
Oh ho! Your badge means nothing. Snipers are good if they move WITH the medics/assault, act as they would, dont spam claymores, and don't use unlocks. Take for example a MEC sniper, auto shot rifles are harder to use rather than bolts.
A good sniper caps flags, defends flags, get's more kills than everyone else on the entire server, gets the least deaths out of any in the entire server.
So yeah, a GOOD sniper is priceless to any team.
Shitty snipers that stay 50m behind everyone picking off one or two guys fail at life and should just go medic.
Nothing wrong with using claymores for defense either, if you spawn whip out a clay and run up to a street drop it, die get a kill repeat, then that's pretty much gay. But using it to protect flags is an invaluable asset to the team.
And there isn't anything wrong with using unlocks, some people just can't used to semi-autos and hate them, but own with bolts, so using the L9 is obviously the only option, although the M24 is better, so team-switching would be the even better option.
Angelo > Killer21
+1 Todd.
slower then a model TDavid.Podedworny wrote:
Wow your slow.zer0fus10n wrote:
And your question is?....David.Podedworny wrote:
I have a question for my fellow Snipers
I've played quite a bit as Sniper (2nd played class to Medic). I'm by no means a good player, but hell I do my best (most of the time) to try and help out the team. It's quite stupid to call Snipers a non-team player because of bad experiences with claymores and the usual camp-in-bush sniper. I'm sure many of us have camped at a certain spot at least once with ANY class. Snipers are useful assets in defending capped flags because clays can provide the extra defence a squad may need to fend off another wave of assaulters on the flag. At least 3/4 of the flag defends I have are a result of having placed them around a flag.
I don't get it at all. People bitch when Medics run around zapping everyone with their paddles. (Statspadders!) People bitch when people use AT rockets at others constantly. People bitch when and Assault uses his one asset: the grenade launcher. (Smoke Grenade doesn't count, they only have one; it's hard to make it effective.) People bitch when a SpecOps straps C4 on a buggy. People bitch when the Support spams grenades. Every class is useful and useless at one thing or another. You will always have your share of good snipers, good medics, good assaults, good ATs (rare because very little people actually play AT), good etc. Then you will always have your share of bad snipers, medics, etc. It just can't be helped. But it's of no use to bash snipers when there is still some usefulness in this class. Don't be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I don't get it at all. People bitch when Medics run around zapping everyone with their paddles. (Statspadders!) People bitch when people use AT rockets at others constantly. People bitch when and Assault uses his one asset: the grenade launcher. (Smoke Grenade doesn't count, they only have one; it's hard to make it effective.) People bitch when a SpecOps straps C4 on a buggy. People bitch when the Support spams grenades. Every class is useful and useless at one thing or another. You will always have your share of good snipers, good medics, good assaults, good ATs (rare because very little people actually play AT), good etc. Then you will always have your share of bad snipers, medics, etc. It just can't be helped. But it's of no use to bash snipers when there is still some usefulness in this class. Don't be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I didn't say about the expert thing like it was something important.. On the contrary. I don't snipe because, 1. it is very boring and 2. it doesn't help the team. You can come up with all the excuses you want....."I protect flags" "I keep heli's on the ground" I blah blah blah. No one likes snipers because they are usually out for themselves and aren't team players no matter what bs excuse you come up with to try and convince people other wise. Btw, what makes you think you are an expert on the subject? Oh wait...you have more time sniping than me right? You play more maps than me? I am by far one of the worst snipers out there. I just don't care about the kit so I don't really care about my k/d ratio with it...oh wait...it's above 7..damn..I guess I know something about it after all...[/sarcasm] Snipers are useless. Get over it.Todd_Angelo wrote:
Oooh wow, like that makes anyone an authority FFS! You want to go down that road I have two of 'em, and two Expert Sniper Specialists, by your implication that makes me the person to listen to > you. Putting that kind of nonsense aside, any decent shot could get the reqs every time they play without breaking a sweat, as you well know (maybe not in the short rounds you favour but at will any session).
Anyway, you snipe in only one type of map; no matter how good you are or think you are that means you only have one perspective on a single type of sniping.
Last edited by killer21 (2007-05-16 21:01:33)
You both fail, claymores for the win!!!Jameseyy wrote:
My hero!.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH, i do the same thing, but i tell them on voice they are pieces of claymore-spamming shit before i kick them.David.Podedworny wrote:
I was kicked so many times from a squad just for being a sniper.
Zero, Though I have been TK by them countless times while trying to capture a flag.senor_fulff wrote:
how many times have you spawned at a flag to find a claymore explode behind you and the guy who WAS sneaking up to knife you lying in a heap?
Zero againhow often have you seen a squad rushing for your not very secluded position to find that by the time they actually reach you there is only half the squad left?
yep... never happened.This is all down to your friendly neighbourhood sniper who you probably never even realise was there as the "angels on your shoulders"...
Err i would say exactly the opposite. SVD and Type 88 are much easier to use.'~[_-=*Hanma*=-_ wrote:
Take for example a MEC sniper, auto shot rifles are harder to use rather than bolts.
By your definiton the only good sniper I have ever seen is me... or snipers in a J-10 on wake. And I am in no way a good sniper (or at least what I believe a good sniper should be)AudioAtomica wrote:
A good sniper caps flags, defends flags, get's more kills than everyone else on the entire server, gets the least deaths out of any in the entire server.
Yeah but sadly none exist.So yeah, a GOOD sniper is priceless to any team.
So 99% of all snipers are shitty and should go medic, makes sense why people don't like snipers and think there all useless.Shitty snipers that stay 50m behind everyone picking off one or two guys fail at life and should just go medic.
Yes nothing wrong with your defence, but there is something wrong with just leaving them around bases so team mates set them off and you get TKs.Nothing wrong with using claymores for defense either, if you spawn whip out a clay and run up to a street drop it, die get a kill repeat, then that's pretty much gay. But using it to protect flags is an invaluable asset to the team.
The reason snipers have such a bad rep is because such a larger percentage of the players who go sniper are so useless, and those players that are good, when they go sniper feel they are not helping there team as much as they could be as another kit. There is of course a very small percentage of good snipers, but this in no way makes the kit good (and I bet most of the pro snipers in this thread are actually quite crap).
Last edited by DrunkFace (2007-05-17 01:15:55)
This again.
As Todd says, bad snipers are likely BAD PLAYERS, they would only die more if they tried assault and overall HURT YOUR TEAM more by doing so.
A bad medic will revive you without killing your enemy first if they realise that you need reviving at all!
Your gripe is not with snipers, it is with bad players!!!!
1v1 equally skilled players, a sniper will win.
Kooda
As Todd says, bad snipers are likely BAD PLAYERS, they would only die more if they tried assault and overall HURT YOUR TEAM more by doing so.
A bad medic will revive you without killing your enemy first if they realise that you need reviving at all!
Your gripe is not with snipers, it is with bad players!!!!
1v1 equally skilled players, a sniper will win.
Kooda
Last edited by Barrakuda777 (2007-05-17 04:13:46)
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