Poll

What should be removed from bf2?

Artillery15%15% - 11
Tanks1%1% - 1
Airplanes17%17% - 13
Attack Choppers2%2% - 2
Flashbangs10%10% - 8
Nothing at all34%34% - 25
Other17%17% - 13
Total: 73
Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7182|St. Andrews / Oslo

What should be removed from bf2?
Please post your own thaughts if you have others...
I always play on city-maps and hate all of these things... not the airplanes, of course, who aren't a problem:P
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kilroy0097
Kilroy Is Here!
+81|7294|Bryan/College Station, TX
I actually think they should expand on the artillery idea. Not so much add more of it but instead substitute artillery with something else. Perhaps a non-player based air strike. Imagine calling in a bombing strike from a fast moving jet and you get to pick the direction it comes in from. Then it lays down the bombs and in a line an entire city block goes up.  Think of the napalm runs from Veitnam but instead they are cluster bombs from a B-1B or another large fast movingbomber aircraft. Or I guess they could just use a ranged heavily laden strike/bomber alot like the Su-34 or the F-111. I could do with a good airstrike over a player precision strike.

Imagine the roar of the jet engines as the aircraft screams across the sky and suddenly a large number of cluster bombs come falling down and erraticating everything in a line stretching the span of a football field.

Now THAT is airpower and something better than artillery on some maps.
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Rosse_modest
Member
+76|7226|Antwerp, Flanders
If you hate all of these things then maybe BF2 isn't for you...
Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7182|St. Andrews / Oslo

kilroy0097 wrote:

I actually think they should expand on the artillery idea. Not so much add more of it but instead substitute artillery with something else. Perhaps a non-player based air strike. Imagine calling in a bombing strike from a fast moving jet and you get to pick the direction it comes in from. Then it lays down the bombs and in a line an entire city block goes up.  Think of the napalm runs from Veitnam but instead they are cluster bombs from a B-1B or another large fast movingbomber aircraft. Or I guess they could just use a ranged heavily laden strike/bomber alot like the Su-34 or the F-111. I could do with a good airstrike over a player precision strike.

Imagine the roar of the jet engines as the aircraft screams across the sky and suddenly a large number of cluster bombs come falling down and erraticating everything in a line stretching the span of a football field.

Now THAT is airpower and something better than artillery on some maps.
I actually agree with you. on SOME maps. it would be cool on wake, dragon valley and stuff, but not on city maps. Mainly Karkand. I love the action in karkand. When everyone shoots wildly by the hotel... But i hate when someone sends an artillery strike and kills everyone there. After the new patch came, nobody is afraid to teamkill with the artillery. they just arty everywhere there is a fight. Demolishing their own soldiers and the enemies... they are the ones with the most teamkills, but don't get punished...

Last edited by Jenspm (2005-12-04 07:08:38)

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Sud
Member
+0|7198
- Artillery: I hate this simply because it is a skilless source of deaths on my record. I wouldn't mind it half as much as it didn't count as a death. It has strategic value, but recorded deaths to it is just tasteless. Also vexing about this is that almost nobody will go spec-ops to go and blow up the damn artillery and give the ground pounders a break. Next to that, there's a LOT of bad map design in this game, with artillery placed in such a manner it's almost impossible to get to (Karkand artillery comes to mind, you fight your way in past 4 defenders simply to have 3 more spawn in on you)

- Tanks: No problems here. Anti tanks are more than a counter to them. Any kind of cover and the anti tank is at an advantage. Even if the anti can't kill the tank outright, it is forced to retreat. Then you have C4, and in the case of a stupid tank driver AT mines. And of course armor to occupy other armor.

- Airplanes: Definite problem here. There is no counter to these stupid things. You can even be in the Essex turret and load your gun into one until overheated, and the bloody thing is STILL flying. Shoot one stinger from the essex at him, he flares, then reacquire lock and fire the 7 other stingers at him, and NOT A SINGLE ONE HITS. Sure great at TKing friendlies though.

Attack Choppers - No big issue here. One jeep is basically the same effect as an anti-tank on a tank - chopper has to run or die. Stingers are somewhat more useful here too. On top of it, all rifle class weapons can hurt choppers, so if people would stop being stupid and actually FIRE on the things it'd actually be pushed back.

Flashbangs - Don't belong in BF2, as do any of the SF guns. Leave them in SF. This is probably the only thing in your list that should be outright REMOVED (as opposed to balanced)
Krappyappy
'twice cooked beef!'
+111|7270
making flashbangs work on people inside vehicles was a stupid-ass idea. i guess the overpressure and flash magically makes it past the reactive armor on a T-90 to blind and deafen the driver.
jools
Member
+-1|7258|a galaxy far, far away....
Other. Specifically noobs, lamers, motherfuckers, punk-ass fucktards, and the likes of. More details here.

Last edited by jools (2005-12-04 13:13:33)

Tigg@lot
noob on tour
+1|7224|NRW,Germany

Krappyappy wrote:

i guess the overpressure and flash magically makes it past the reactive armor on a T-90 to blind and deafen the driver.
As the geek I am I have to say that reactive armor has absolutely no effect on FBs because it´s just not designed for those kind of purpose. And the only thing a tank driver has between him and the world outside are some mirrors and glass so there is no kind of protection here either.
jools
Member
+-1|7258|a galaxy far, far away....

Tigg@lot wrote:

Krappyappy wrote:

i guess the overpressure and flash magically makes it past the reactive armor on a T-90 to blind and deafen the driver.
As the geek I am I have to say that reactive armor has absolutely no effect on FBs because it´s just not designed for those kind of purpose. And the only thing a tank driver has between him and the world outside are some mirrors and glass so there is no kind of protection here either.
T90, just as m1a2, is fully equipped with NBC filters and stuff. So, I guess they're not so dumb NOT TO have some special filtering lenses and/or glasses which would considerably reduce a FB's effect. Yet, it's just an educated guess... Anyways, I think tanks are powerful enough in BF2, and them being FB-sensitive doesn't seem that much of an 'essential' improvment to me.
Krappyappy
'twice cooked beef!'
+111|7270
i said reactive armor in an attempt to be ironic. i know that reactive armor has nothing to do with flashbangs.

the point is, unless the flash went off right in front of the vision slits in the tank, they wouldn't do a damned thing to the driver. the concussion due to overpressure, the hearing loss due to the 'bang', and the blinding due to the 'flash' would all be negated by the fact that the driver is sitting inside a CLOSED vehicle.

buggies and jeeps can be suceptible to flashes, but not tanks and apcs.
divided
Clear!
+3|7223
terrible players
H0ly(rap
Member
+10|7171|Nebraska

kilroy0097 wrote:

I actually think they should expand on the artillery idea. Not so much add more of it but instead substitute artillery with something else. Perhaps a non-player based air strike. Imagine calling in a bombing strike from a fast moving jet and you get to pick the direction it comes in from. Then it lays down the bombs and in a line an entire city block goes up.  Think of the napalm runs from Veitnam but instead they are cluster bombs from a B-1B or another large fast movingbomber aircraft. Or I guess they could just use a ranged heavily laden strike/bomber alot like the Su-34 or the F-111. I could do with a good airstrike over a player precision strike.

Imagine the roar of the jet engines as the aircraft screams across the sky and suddenly a large number of cluster bombs come falling down and erraticating everything in a line stretching the span of a football field.

Now THAT is airpower and something better than artillery on some maps.
HEY  yea and they cant just always have a sure shot arty barrage like if they get shot down on the way well then theats one less bomb or something:)
H0ly(rap
Member
+10|7171|Nebraska
They should soo put A-10's in this game that would be frekin sweet
for the arty runs, man i can just imagine it 3 A-10's all in formation comming at full speed right for you as they unload their paylode of missiles and Bullet fire
Kanil
"Aff, Star Colonel!"
+37|7212|Internet!
Other: Daqing Oilfields.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7225|Noizyland

I was flashed today, my first and second times. I'm impressed with the whole thing, but soldiers who are fighing in a desert environment in the bright sun would not be equipped with the damn things. I don't have a problem with SF weapons being included in BF2, just leave the fucking Flashbangs out of it!
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topal63
. . .
+533|7168
If there is an incentive for EA/DICE ($$) to add - I say ADD away! Forget subtracting anything.

MORE, MORE, MORE!

divided wrote: "terrible players"

You must have meant "terrible players on your team."
(HUN)Rudebwoy
Member
+45|7205
Other:
all the dumbf**ks, 10-14 year old kids, mentally disturbed, stupid, blind, deaf players which means the 75-80% of the gaming community
topal63
. . .
+533|7168
^

My 13 y.o. son is better player & mentally more well adjusted individual than your infantile comment indicates you are.
imdead
Death StatPadder
+228|7219|Human Meat Shield
I like the way it is or I wouldn't play it.  ^ Who cares whos better than who ^ . Play and have fun!
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|7197|The United Center
Bugs/Glitches.
pat2187
Member
+0|7202
Shooting while jumping.....if we cant sprint and shoot then why can we jump and shoot w/o penalty to accuracy?

Player models clipping walls while prone, then able to take damage on exposed limbs

A stamina penalty for jumping
(HUN)Rudebwoy
Member
+45|7205
Dear topal!
It is my experience that all the teamkillers, and those who punish for accidental teamkills, spawncampers are mostly in that age...
Anyway, if you are not in these categories, why do you care?
I dont mind if they are better than me. It is not difficult to be better than me, my problem is that they dont respect other players, and ruin the gameplay of everyone who also bought this game...
I did not want to offend YOU.So please dont compare your son to me.
Thx
Sud
Member
+0|7198
They need to add an additional voting entry for the language filter
topal63
. . .
+533|7168

(HUN)Rudebwoy wrote:

Dear topal!
It is my experience that all the teamkillers, and those who punish for accidental teamkills, spawncampers are mostly in that age...
Anyway, if you are not in these categories, why do you care?
I dont mind if they are better than me. It is not difficult to be better than me, my problem is that they dont respect other players, and ruin the gameplay of everyone who also bought this game...
I did not want to offend YOU.So please dont compare your son to me.
Thx
Honestly, I don't care who plays the game. . . stupids are welcome too.

Only a good & active ADMIN can patrol a game - and keep it BALANCED! and fun. I think TEAM ability
imbalances make a bigger difference in sucky game experiences - IMNSHO.

But if no ADMIN or not a good-one,
As far as TK's go it is merely an irrelevant game-stat, something utterly unimportant in RL.

TK the TK'ers BACK thats what we do - they always leave. . .
We revive HIM - TK him, revive HIM TK him, 4-5 times of this happening and they usually leave; if not
we keep doing until they do - they can learn quickly! We [i] do this to vehicle TK-ers as well.

Last edited by topal63 (2005-12-09 12:53:19)

RebelSoldier
Member
+0|7228
i agree with the fact that the sf stuff doesnt belong in bf2 core, and for those who have said, "if you hate all these things then dont play bf2", i completely agree. go find another FPS, there's tons out there; each with its own unique gameplay style, and it doesnt do much good to complain, because complaining doesnt get you much of anywhere nowadays

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