BF2S Forums Dolphin Diving

if it is a non realistic cheap tatic- i still use it . although it must hurt when you land.

Its all in where you land, how u move mid air, when u choose to jump, when u choose to hit prone in the jump, and how well u aim while doing this (bc your crosshairs disappear, yet jumping could be a free moment to do your aiming). If you bunnyhop every time you see an enemy, you are just letting them shoot first and you will be killed by every decent player u find. You'll probably notice 75% of players dolphin diving at one time or another, but sometimes its so they can lay down and get raped, and other times its to break up your aiming for half a second and headshot you.

Its easy to chain bunnyhops over and over again, but if u dont have any sprint to work with then the hops have no distance, and u are VERY easy to shoot at. So just tapping spacebar gets you nowhere. Its hard to describe it exactly, but if u let off on your sprints at the right time, and always sprint before you jump (using the prone and crouch moment to regain some sprint) and move perpendicular to the enemy whenever you slow down then you can almost continuously dodge effectively. this does wonders to your defense, yet there is no noob that can chain evasive moves smoothly. Its probably the hardest thing to do in bf2 b/c it means u have to be able to aim without a crosshair and u have to be aware of all of bf2's gay weapon timers and not screw yourself by disabling your weapon when you should be shooting. Its not the jump or prone key's incredible power, but when u choose to use them. You normally have to use them in reaction to what you see the enemy doing. The best playing uses the jump key a lot, and so does the worst playing. Most people completely suck at these games because they only pay attention to what they are doing to the enemy, rather than capitalizing on all the obvious mistakes other people are making.

heres an example of how to use the defensive moves. dont go prone first unless you are positive they will be dead before they can go prone. prone is the kill move. but once u do it u are either motionless and vulnerable, or you are getting back up and waiting through the one second shooting delay. so when u fight cqc, gun them down while jogging, and if u think they are about to spray at you during ur attack, u hit prone+side step (roll) to buy yourself that last moment of gunning before they die. This keeps the guy that you just shot 3 times from getting his lucky headshot before ur finished.

Aiming isn't the hallmark of skill. Its not that different from clicking your way through the BF2s webpage. Aiming while using the keyboard to its full potential, and while intelligently using the map and your knowledge of other player's locations is the "skill" that exists in fps.

I do it. If you can't hit a moving target then it isn't my problem.

I find it more fun than going prone and shooting....

GeT-TwisTeD wrote:

I'm ready to get flamed but i'm getting tired of playing IO really fast.  I'm an old school fps type person one who's used to the cs days were you crouch and fire for improved accuracy. I still do that in bf2 or call of duty were if you go prone you cant run jump and dive into a prone and fire you need go stop and go prone....It's bs that you can run full speed jump about 3 feet in the air land on your stomach and fire with almost 100% acc.  I'd rather get chopper whored in an un-cap then get killed this way it's just such a bad exploit.  Anybody out there feel the same or is it just me?

I have played this game for over 1150 hours from v1.00 to now and am extremely confused by what peoples interpretations of Bunny Hopping (BH), Dolphin Diving (DD) are. I have seen it all, I have probably done a lot of what other believe it is and I have heard descriptions of what people do and none of it adds up. Everyone has there own idea about what level of movement is considered BH and then what classifies as DD.

I don't consider my self a BH or DD and as such what I believe the tactic to be an exploit, but what the OP has described (highlighted) I do all the time and it doesn't come close to what I thought BH or DD do. Can someone get some fraps or Battle recorder footage of what each of these movements are as it would greatly clear up mine (and probably everyone else's too) interpretation of what BH and DD is.

Personally I don't think its even possible to BH or DD in the current patch with the delays and what I have witnessed in game according to what I perceive BH and DD to be, but there seems to be continued grievances about some kind of movement and I would like to know what they are complaining about before I take sides.

Last edited by DrunkFace (2007-03-24 19:31:38)

Both A and B.

GeT-TwisTeD wrote:

I'm ready to get flamed but i'm getting tired of playing IO really fast.  I'm an old school fps type person one who's used to the cs days were you crouch and fire for improved accuracy. I still do that in bf2 or call of duty were if you go prone you cant run jump and dive into a prone and fire you need go stop and go prone....It's bs that you can run full speed jump about 3 feet in the air land on your stomach and fire with almost 100% acc.  I'd rather get chopper whored in an un-cap then get killed this way it's just such a bad exploit.  Anybody out there feel the same or is it just me?

If you're old school, then I'm even older school because bunny hopping comes from the Quake2 Rocket Arena days.

To be honest... I have never done this, but I hate when it's one on one. You vs. a n00b sniper/AT who Shoot their rockets at you or just go prone and shoot you in the face with their sniper. I'm happy enough when I own them with my AK-101, pistol is better though. xD

jump - prone - left - right. Well, it's not that much skill, but it's not a noobish tactics either

Todd_Angelo wrote:

Nyte wrote:

If you're old school, then I'm even older school because bunny hopping comes from the Quake2 Rocket Arena days.

I got that beat: Delta Force. And UT.

Alex kidd on the sega. The game that didn't need you to put a cartridge in. I win.

I don't get why anyone would do it.

Just going prone is quicker than jumping then going prone.

Marinejuana wrote:

Its all in where you land, how u move mid air, when u choose to jump, when u choose to hit prone in the jump, and how well u aim while doing this (bc your crosshairs disappear, yet jumping could be a free moment to do your aiming). If you bunnyhop every time you see an enemy, you are just letting them shoot first and you will be killed by every decent player u find. You'll probably notice 75% of players dolphin diving at one time or another, but sometimes its so they can lay down and get raped, and other times its to break up your aiming for half a second and headshot you.

Its easy to chain bunnyhops over and over again, but if u dont have any sprint to work with then the hops have no distance, and u are VERY easy to shoot at. So just tapping spacebar gets you nowhere. Its hard to describe it exactly, but if u let off on your sprints at the right time, and always sprint before you jump (using the prone and crouch moment to regain some sprint) and move perpendicular to the enemy whenever you slow down then you can almost continuously dodge effectively. this does wonders to your defense, yet there is no noob that can chain evasive moves smoothly. Its probably the hardest thing to do in bf2 b/c it means u have to be able to aim without a crosshair and u have to be aware of all of bf2's gay weapon timers and not screw yourself by disabling your weapon when you should be shooting. Its not the jump or prone key's incredible power, but when u choose to use them. You normally have to use them in reaction to what you see the enemy doing. The best playing uses the jump key a lot, and so does the worst playing. Most people completely suck at these games because they only pay attention to what they are doing to the enemy, rather than capitalizing on all the obvious mistakes other people are making.

heres an example of how to use the defensive moves. dont go prone first unless you are positive they will be dead before they can go prone. prone is the kill move. but once u do it u are either motionless and vulnerable, or you are getting back up and waiting through the one second shooting delay. so when u fight cqc, gun them down while jogging, and if u think they are about to spray at you during ur attack, u hit prone+side step (roll) to buy yourself that last moment of gunning before they die. This keeps the guy that you just shot 3 times from getting his lucky headshot before ur finished.

Aiming isn't the hallmark of skill. Its not that different from clicking your way through the BF2s webpage. Aiming while using the keyboard to its full potential, and while intelligently using the map and your knowledge of other player's locations is the "skill" that exists in fps.

Some good points marinejuana, for the most part you know what your talking about which is more than I can say about 90% of the people who posted here. However BF2 close quater fighting is mostly to do with your positioning, sure the guy with the better aim should win in a 1 on 1 fight but with BF2s (No not this website ;D) massive luck factor and random deviation with some weapons (Even the crosshairs/Scopes are off) it is mostly to do with who sees who first and your positioning. This doesnt apply to a random noob in a better position, I'm talking about 2 people on the same skill level.

I agree with you, aiming doesnt make a player although it does still play a lesser important role.Knowing your surroundings, knowing where your enemy is, knowing when he shoots, judging what move he will make next, finding dover at the right moment makes a player.

Good points +1

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Dolphin diving no longer exists. Why is this being discussed?

Prone spamming was abolished, to an extent Dolphin diving stilll exists.

Last edited by Simon (2007-03-25 03:55:15)

jord wrote:

I don't get why anyone would do it.

Just going prone is quicker than jumping then going prone.

Yes but if you jump then move left or right in the air if fuggles up their aim. It's really helpful when they see you and start shooting at you first.