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FeedUsYourFetus
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So, I used to have one of the fastest computers of anyone I ever played against.  IE, I would spawn at the beginning of a round so much faster than every one else, I could sometimes cap their main flag before the other team would spawn. 

Recently, my A8N-SLi Deluxe motherboard died on me cause the chipset fan burnt out and fried the chipset.  I couldn't get the same motherboard because Newegg didn't carry it anymore.  So I got the closest thing I could.  The A8N32-SLi Deluxe.  I figured this wouldn't be much different, and an easy swap.  I was right....until I started playing BF2 again.

I had this feeling that I wasn't loading as fast anymore.  People were either spawning the same time as me, or *gasp* occasionally before me....MULTIPLE people.  Had everyone just gone out and gotten better computers all of a sudden?  Better than mine? 

I overclocked my FX-60 to 2.86ghz.  Helped a little, but not enough.  It still seemed too slow.  I saw "verifying client date" for WAY too long.

I was starting to accept that maybe, for whatever reason, this new mobo was just way slower.  But, that didn't make sense.......there had to be a reason.  So, I finally decided to check all the clock setting for the different components.

Well, it turns out, for some reason, my DDR400 RAM had it's clock speed set at 100mhz.....so it was only running at 200mhz rather than the 400mhz it should be running at.  WTF?  I changed the clock setting to 200 so that it would run at 400, and what do you know.......I'm back to spawn time pwning.  Next step is to OC the RAM....so maybe I can cap ALL the flags before anyone else spawns.

So, moral of the story......if you get a new mobo, check all the clock settings, and make sure they're not jacked up.  It's a really nagging feeling to think that things are running too slow but not know why.

KiL
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6880|Finland

looooool, you had Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe like I have. That board sucks doesn't it? My A8N-SLI board changes the memory speed to 200mhz from 400mhz and HTT from 1000 to 500 if I OC so WTF and thanks for crappy board asus!

I also lost 300GB of files because of this board...

Last edited by [69th_GFH]GC_PaNzerFIN (2007-04-01 02:22:48)

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CrazeD
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+368|7138|Maine

[69th_GFH]GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

looooool, you had Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe like I have. That board sucks doesn't it? My A8N-SLI board changes the memory speed to 200mhz from 400mhz and HTT from 1000 to 500 if I OC so WTF and thanks for crappy board asus!

I also lost 300GB of files because of this board...
Most definitely user error, not a crappy board.
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6880|Finland

u saying I don't know how to OC?!?! wtf... Higher than 226 FSB -> HTT speed and memory speed goes down 1/3 or more
and come on I'm not doing this ***** first time here. don't believe me if u don't want, believe the support forums in asus.com and u'll see this board is not that good...
3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
Havok
Nymphomaniac Treatment Specialist
+302|7140|Florida, United States

[69th_GFH]GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

u saying I don't know how to OC?!?! wtf... Higher than 226 FSB -> HTT speed and memory speed goes down 1/3 or more
and come on I'm not doing this ***** first time here. don't believe me if u don't want, believe the support forums in asus.com and u'll see this board is not that good...
Chill dude.  First off, he's probably right.  A hard drive failing is either bad luck or a user's stupidity.  Unless my knowledge of mobo's is flawed, I don't think a mobo can fry a hard drive.  So quit getting all indignant on this guy who was right in the first place and learn to accept some criticism.
']['error
Banned
+630|7110|The Netherlands
I can't overclock because my bios wont allow me :S.
i press F2 at startup, bios apears:  i can see all the clock settings but i can't change em, it looks like their "locked" :S
assau1t
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+12|7169|sector a-35

Havok wrote:

[69th_GFH]GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

u saying I don't know how to OC?!?! wtf... Higher than 226 FSB -> HTT speed and memory speed goes down 1/3 or more
and come on I'm not doing this ***** first time here. don't believe me if u don't want, believe the support forums in asus.com and u'll see this board is not that good...
Chill dude.  First off, he's probably right.  A hard drive failing is either bad luck or a user's stupidity.  Unless my knowledge of mobo's is flawed, I don't think a mobo can fry a hard drive.  So quit getting all indignant on this guy who was right in the first place and learn to accept some criticism.
It fried 2! my new raptor HDs' and had its noisy chipset fan which btw burnt out too. Crappy board. Now changed to A8N32-Sli deluxe, no problem yet, and it doesnt have fan on its chipset>no noise.
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6880|Finland

1) my mobo didn't fry my hdd, it's a nforce driver/bios issue (same that caused trouble when 680i was released too)
2) the mobo's bios has it's own will, when u manually OC it to higher FSB, bios will set automatically lower ram and htt speed so it's a bios problem (got the latest bios).
3) I know what I'm doing, if u don't it's not my problem....

-> terror: if ur computer is branded like HP (not built by ur own or by store), the bios will be locked to make sure you don't void the warranty by overclocking....

Last edited by [69th_GFH]GC_PaNzerFIN (2007-04-01 10:08:38)

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CrazeD
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+368|7138|Maine
[69th_GFH]GC_PaNzerFIN: Calm down dude...

Are the RAM/HT settings set to "Auto", or are they synced to the CPU frequency? If so, then yeah of course they would change if you upped the FSB.

I was just saying there was probably a setting that you over looked or something.

As for frying the hard-drive, if you have the PCI bus synced to the FSB or if it's not locked, it will also raise with the FSB and you can fry several things that way.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7047|SE London

[69th_GFH]GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

1) my mobo didn't fry my hdd, it's a nforce driver/bios issue (same that caused trouble when 680i was released too)
2) the mobo's bios has it's own will, when u manually OC it to higher FSB, bios will set automatically lower ram and htt speed so it's a bios problem (got the latest bios).
3) I know what I'm doing, if u don't it's not my problem....

-> terror: if ur computer is branded like HP (not built by ur own or by store), the bios will be locked to make sure you don't void the warranty by overclocking....
I managed fine on my A8N-SLI Deluxe, got some great OCs on that board - which was very nice. I used 5 of these boards (well not exactly, 3x A8N-SLI Deluxe, 1x A8N-SLI SE and 1x A8N-SLI Premium) routinely at one point not long ago, all of them performed perfectly (apart from some niggling RAID issues I encountered on the Premium, which were resolvable).
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|7015|UK

']['error wrote:

I can't overclock because my bios wont allow me :S.
i press F2 at startup, bios apears:  i can see all the clock settings but i can't change em, it looks like their "locked" :S
Did u buy urs from an OEM?

Martyn
FeedUsYourFetus
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I actually like my A8N-SLi Deluxe quite a bit.  It oced well, and treated me well until the POS chipset fan seized and fried my board. 

The A8N32-SLi Deluxe is taking some getting used to.  The BIOS is very unintuitive to me.  Possibly why it took me so long to even figure out that the RAM settings were off.

KiL
ReDevilJR
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Wait, how do you change the bios? I want to see what my ram is running at temp and speed wise... to see if i could possibly over clock a bit... what is good temperature and speed for ddr ram? Thanks. Note: I've tried spamming F2 to get to bios, no luck.
Second note: I have the same mobo, love it but i want to change the ram like you did.

Last edited by ReDevilJR (2007-04-01 17:08:01)

FeedUsYourFetus
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That's cause you are pressing the wrong key.  You press DELETE on these mobos to get to the BIOS.  After that, when it comes to altering settings....I would recommend using the manual, and not doing anything you don't know how to do, or correct the effects of if you screw something up.

For instance, lets say you OC your RAM....and the comp doesn't even boot up anymore because you OCed too much.  You can't get to the BIOS because you can't get the computer to boot far enough to even get you to the BIOS screen.  Basically, your comp turns on, you hear fan noises....but no POST message, and a blank screen.  Would you know what to do?  If not, then don't try OCing your ram. 

If you just want to see what your ram is running at, and make sure it is running at the speed it should be (IE, DDR400 should have the clock speeds set at 200mhz for an effective clock speed of 400mhz)....then press delete during boot up to access the BIOS.  Basically, "good speed" for RAM is the speed that it is supposed to be run at.

IF your RAM is set to the correct clock speed of 200mhz, then I wouldn't mess w/ it.  It's probably not worth it.  If your RAM is set incorrectly at 100mhz, then yeah, I'd change it.....and yeah, you'll definitely notice a difference.

KiL
ReDevilJR
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https://www.ultrauploader.com/thumbs/1889040107_20561.jpg

It was pre-set to that, is that correct?

Also, my CPU temp was 55 degrees Celsius, is that normal?

If it wouldn't even boot up; I would have taken out the ram, started up (obviously it wouldn't startup, turn it off; put in the ram again, and start it up... But that's if it didn't startup)

Also, it wouldn't let me move to the part to change the speeds on my ram... It wouldn't let me highlight it to change it.

Last edited by ReDevilJR (2007-04-01 18:17:58)

FeedUsYourFetus
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ReDevilJR wrote:

http://www.ultrauploader.com/thumbs/188 … _20561.jpg

It was pre-set to that, is that correct?

Also, my CPU temp was 55 degrees Celsius, is that normal?

If it wouldn't even boot up; I would have taken out the ram, started up (obviously it wouldn't startup, turn it off; put in the ram again, and start it up... But that's if it didn't startup)

Also, it wouldn't let me move to the part to change the speeds on my ram... It wouldn't let me highlight it to change it.
See, this is why you need the manual.  It tells you what you have to do to be able to change the settings.    This took me a while at first.

As for your ram speed......yep.....that's what it should be set at.  I'm sure you are running DDR400 ram.  This means "double data rate" w/ an effective clock speed of 400mhz.  So, in the BIOS, you will see 200mhz clock speed setting....which is basically doubled to your 400mhz effective speed (ie, DOUBLE data rate).

55 degrees C isn't a super low CPU temp......but it's not super high either.  You'd probably do well w/ an aftermarket cooler and some Arctic Silver 5 thermal grease.

As for what to do if you OCed your RAM too far and now the comp won't boot up.....you'd be wasting your time switching out RAM sticks.  Your BIOS has a setting in it that is too high for your RAM to handle...that YOU put there by overclocking.  It won't start until you change that setting you adjusted.......but woe is me.....you can't get the computer to start in order to change that setting.  What a Catch 22 we have!

That's when you move the CMOS jumper (a little clip that is physically on the motherboard) over one pin and give it 15-30 seconds to clear the CMOS.  Basically, your computer remembers all the settings you put into the BIOS.  That's the only way you can OC a computer and not have to change the settings everytime you turn your computer on.  Cause how annoying would THAT be......pretty damn annoying!  What moving the CMOS jumper over does is clear all the BIOS settings and returns them to factory defaults.  It's a failsafe mechanism for when people do things like....gasp.....OC their RAM too much and then can't access the BIOS to undo their mistake.    And yes.....I have done this.  :p

KiL
ReDevilJR
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FeedUsYourFetus wrote:

ReDevilJR wrote:

http://www.ultrauploader.com/thumbs/188 … _20561.jpg

It was pre-set to that, is that correct?

Also, my CPU temp was 55 degrees Celsius, is that normal?

If it wouldn't even boot up; I would have taken out the ram, started up (obviously it wouldn't startup, turn it off; put in the ram again, and start it up... But that's if it didn't startup)

Also, it wouldn't let me move to the part to change the speeds on my ram... It wouldn't let me highlight it to change it.
See, this is why you need the manual.  It tells you what you have to do to be able to change the settings.    This took me a while at first.

As for your ram speed......yep.....that's what it should be set at.  I'm sure you are running DDR400 ram.  This means "double data rate" w/ an effective clock speed of 400mhz.  So, in the BIOS, you will see 200mhz clock speed setting....which is basically doubled to your 400mhz effective speed (ie, DOUBLE data rate).

55 degrees C isn't a super low CPU temp......but it's not super high either.  You'd probably do well w/ an aftermarket cooler and some Arctic Silver 5 thermal grease.

As for what to do if you OCed your RAM too far and now the comp won't boot up.....you'd be wasting your time switching out RAM sticks.  Your BIOS has a setting in it that is too high for your RAM to handle...that YOU put there by overclocking.  It won't start until you change that setting you adjusted.......but woe is me.....you can't get the computer to start in order to change that setting.  What a Catch 22 we have!

That's when you move the CMOS jumper (a little clip that is physically on the motherboard) over one pin and give it 15-30 seconds to clear the CMOS.  Basically, your computer remembers all the settings you put into the BIOS.  That's the only way you can OC a computer and not have to change the settings everytime you turn your computer on.  Cause how annoying would THAT be......pretty damn annoying!  What moving the CMOS jumper over does is clear all the BIOS settings and returns them to factory defaults.  It's a failsafe mechanism for when people do things like....gasp.....OC their RAM too much and then can't access the BIOS to undo their mistake.    And yes.....I have done this.  :p

KiL
Thanks for the help... My CPU does have thermal paste on it, and it has fans on it... I think it's fine... But do you think i'd be able to OC to 2.6? (From 2.4) AMD 64 X2 4800
FeedUsYourFetus
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2.6 from 2.4 should be achievable.  Just monitor your temps.  You'll certainly see a jump.  If you do want to overclock your CPU, I do highly recommend that at a MINIMUM you use ARCTIC SILVER 5 thermal grease (yes, this specific brand/type) and a highly rated aftermarket CPU cooler.  I'm personally using my stock CPU cooler (w/ Artic Silver 5), BUT this is the stock cooler that comes w/ the FX-60.  It is a large, multi-copper heatpipe design.  It works exceptionally well for a stock cooler.  For a 4800....I'd look into an aftermarket.......OR a stock from a higher end AMD (you can often find these on ebay for like 15 bucks). 

Honestly.....don't be stingy w/ a couple bucks when it comes to better cooling.  OCing is not to be taken lightly....and not to be persued w/ MOST stock cooling solutions.  Frying a major piece of hardware due to overheating is NOT a good feeling.  Trust someone who knows from experience. 

And, of course, if you have the money and really want to do some major overclocking....your only choice is water cooling........or the even more exotic "phase change" cooling (basically a freezer for your CPU).

Now, the real world benefits of overclocking are minimal.  To be honest.....I have my FX-60 clocked to 2.86ghz up from a stock speed of 2.6ghz.  Do I notice this in normal, everday "computing"?  Of course not.  The only time I notice it is in loading times for BF2.  I nabs me a couple extra seconds in loading time, so I can spawn and get that vehicle I want.  You have to ask yourself......is jeapordizing the longevity of your expensive hardware worth an extra couple of seconds in a video game?  Really think about this question before you dive into overclocking anything.  Most of the time, you're NOT going to realize the beneficial effects of OCing.......but you are going to realize the detrimental effects when your equipment starts to go bad on you.  Just something to think seriously about.

KiL
FeedUsYourFetus
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PS- I know the stock cooling solution that comes w/ the X2 4800+ because it's what I built my brother's new computer system on.  I would not personally trust it to adequately cool an overclocked CPU.  As it is, it is doing a mediocre job of cooling your CPU at stock speeds.

KiL
soldevilla13
SuperFly
+21|7187|oregon
Uhm, i just looked in my BIOS, and i found that my ram speeds were 667 Mhz, is this a realistic number? it sounds like  it's really high.
FeedUsYourFetus
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soldevilla13 wrote:

Uhm, i just looked in my BIOS, and i found that my ram speeds were 667 Mhz, is this a realistic number? it sounds like  it's really high.
Depends on what kind of system and RAM you are running.  Personally, I am running an AMD based socket 939 system.  It doesn't support RAM speeds over DDR400.

What are your system specs?  Ie.......what mobo......what cpu.......what ram?  There is faster RAM out there than DDR400........and what you may be using would depend on what kind of sytem you are running.

KiL
CrazeD
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+368|7138|Maine
If your CPU is at 55*C then you are running very hot! My CPU doesn't get over 45*C at full load - yours is 10*C higher than me at IDLE. You'd probably be nearing 65*C at load, that's too hot...

Clean the dust out of your CPU heat sink, apply new thermal paste (AS5), re-organize wires so that you have proper air flow over parts, add exhaust/intake fans to your case, etc.

35*C - 40*C are normal idle temps. 55*C is not normal, it's too hot.

Also - you won't see much of an increase with temps from raising the CPU frequency. At most, you'd see a 1 - 2 degree difference. What raises the temps is VOLTAGE, not frequency.

soldevilla13: You have RAM speeds of 667MHz because you have DDR2 667 (PC2 5300/5400) RAM.

That's when you move the CMOS jumper (a little clip that is physically on the motherboard) over one pin and give it 15-30 seconds to clear the CMOS.  Basically, your computer remembers all the settings you put into the BIOS.  That's the only way you can OC a computer and not have to change the settings everytime you turn your computer on.  Cause how annoying would THAT be......pretty damn annoying!  What moving the CMOS jumper over does is clear all the BIOS settings and returns them to factory defaults.  It's a failsafe mechanism for when people do things like....gasp.....OC their RAM too much and then can't access the BIOS to undo their mistake.  wink  And yes.....I have done this.  :p
As an alternative to moving the CCMOS jumper is to remove the CMOS battery (the big watch battery usually in the bottom-right corner of the motherboard). Make sure no power is connected to the motherboard (IE: powersupply unplugged or switched OFF). Remove the battery for about 10 seconds and hold the power button to your computer to drain all the power from the board. Replace the battery, and your BIOS will be reset.

If you guys want to over clock and don't know how, you need to learn how to do it first. Over clocking isn't one of those things that you can guess on... you need to know HOW. You can/will significantly reduce the life expectancy of your parts if you don't do things correctly.

There are quite a few very good tutorials on the net, Google it. I read articles and tutorials for like two weeks before I even attempted to over clock. So far, it's done me well.
ReDevilJR
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Thanks for the help... I just read what the temperature said in the bios, idk if it's 100% accurate...

I'm not using stock cooling, I forgot what the heat sink and fan was; However, i was assured it was "Great." I may just bring it to where I work and fool around with it there (With people that know what they're doing) It's a massive heat sink, and a very good fan.
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