BF2S Forums Diplomacy FTW!! (British Sailors Freed)

Just seen it on TV. Jeez he sure knows how to string out a press conference.

Am waiting for the string of post saying we appeased him and should have sent bombs already.

Last edited by crimson_grunt (2007-04-04 06:18:09)

That's good news, but he doesn't have any use for them anymore. He already knows Britain won't take any serious action to get them back, so it's anyone's guess what Iran's next move is.

Edit: spelling

Last edited by bob_6012 (2007-04-04 06:25:34)

lowing wrote:

Gee, howa 'bout that...........He IS an angel!!! roll Now to cap it off, all he needs to do is stop threatening to destroy Israel, and nuclear war.

It almost seems like you're disappointed this didn't turn into a hot war?

haha. A few days ago on the other Iran thread bladdy everyone was asking the Brits to kick their asses. Morons.

bob_6012 wrote:

That's good news, but he doesn't have any use for them anymore. He already knows Britain won't take any serious action to get them back, so it's anyone's guess what Iran's next move is.

Edit: spelling

Well that's the Half glass empty way of looking at it.  Another way of looking at it is that through negotiation he backed down before we embroiled our-self in yet another ill thought out un-winable war that will cause the death of even more of our soldiers and breed more hate towards our country.  If our government had attacked first and thought later who many of those sailors would be coming back?

But hey I guess that's the pussy way out right?

Last edited by crimson_grunt (2007-04-04 06:38:12)

From CNN: "Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says he has pardoned the 15 British sailors and marines detained last month and will set them free."

Pardon them for not straying in to Iranian waters?

Here's what Tony Blair should have done: given the Iranians 24 hours to release the sailors plus demanded a compensation payment of £10 million. Should these things not be delievered, then the Iranians would lose a military base every four hours.

Unless of course Mr Blair is just playing dumb to secure their release so that the Americans are free to start the bombing very soon afterwards.

iphtnax wrote:

From CNN: "Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says he has pardoned the 15 British sailors and marines detained last month and will set them free."

Pardon them for not straying in to Iranian waters?

Here's what Tony Blair should have done: given the Iranians 24 hours to release the sailors plus demanded a compensation payment of £10 million. Should these things not be delievered, then the Iranians would lose a military base every four hours.

Unless of course Mr Blair is just playing dumb to secure their release so that the Americans are free to start the bombing very soon afterwards.

Have a little logical reasoning will you. You think the Iranians wouldn't respond militantly and ferociously to losing 'a military base every four hours'. The Brits have people stationed all over the gulf who could be firebombed in an instant. You aren't exactly Mr. Military Planner or Mr. Tactical Negotiator are you. You would also kiss goodbye to the 15 held - they'd have their heads ventilated before you could say 'What about my compensation payment for £10 million!?' lol.

weakness breeds terrorism.

iran did the same thing to britain in 2004 with captured soldiers paraded on tv.  what happened?  nothing.  so now it happens again on a larger scale.  soon it will be something else...and something else...

its called limit testing.

superfly_cox wrote:

weakness breeds terrorism.

iran did the same thing to britain in 2004 with captured soldiers paraded on tv.  what happened?  nothing.  so now it happens again on a larger scale.  soon it will be something else...and something else...

its called limit testing.

Weakness breeds terrorism?

So is the US army in Iraq weak?

There would not be peace in Northern Ireland today if it weren't for sworn enemies eventually sitting down and talking to each other.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-04-04 06:41:32)

crimson_grunt wrote:

bob_6012 wrote:

That's good news, but he doesn't have any use for them anymore. He already knows Britain won't take any serious action to get them back, so it's anyone's guess what Iran's next move is.

Edit: spelling

Well that's the Half glass empty way of looking at it.  Another way of looking at it is that through negotiation he backed down before we embroiled our-self in yet another ill thought out un-winable war that will cause the death of even more of our soldiers and breed more hate towards our country.  If our government had attacked first and thought later who many of those sailors would be coming back?

But hey I guess that's the pussy way out right?

Yeah I guess it's a half empty look, I'm not trying to slam Britain here or anything, please don't get the wrong idea. I think that Ahmadinejad was just using them to see what Britain would do, now he knows they won't take any action, which is good and bad. I think it's bad because it might embolden Iran to make riskier moves, however it's good because any kind of attack would galvanize the people of Iran against Britain, the USA and all of our allies. If there ever is a conflict I believe we should not make the first move because of my aforementioned reason, we need popular opinion on our side although I'm not sure if that will ever happen. Diplomacy can work and I have nothing against it, I just think he got what he wanted out of the soldiers and that's why he's letting them go, that's all. Oh, also I don't think it's a pussy way, just so ya know.

Edit: wrong word

Last edited by bob_6012 (2007-04-04 06:46:23)

CameronPoe wrote:

iphtnax wrote:

From CNN: "Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says he has pardoned the 15 British sailors and marines detained last month and will set them free."

Pardon them for not straying in to Iranian waters?

Here's what Tony Blair should have done: given the Iranians 24 hours to release the sailors plus demanded a compensation payment of £10 million. Should these things not be delievered, then the Iranians would lose a military base every four hours.

Unless of course Mr Blair is just playing dumb to secure their release so that the Americans are free to start the bombing very soon afterwards.

Have a little logical reasoning will you. You think the Iranians wouldn't respond militantly and ferociously to losing 'a military base every four hours'. The Brits have people stationed all over the gulf who could be firebombed in an instant. You aren't exactly Mr. Military Planner or Mr. Tactical Negotiator are you. You would also kiss goodbye to the 15 held - they'd have their heads ventilated before you could say 'What about my compensation payment for £10 million!?' lol.

So Mr Chamberlain, in essence what you are saying is that it is better to appease tyrants than to stand up to them.

We're going to have to go to war with Iran sooner or later. Better now before they have fully functional intercontinental balistic missiles.

War in itself isn't a bad thing. The bad thing is having to go to war in the first place.