Don't be such a doomsdayer my man. If shit ever really went down we would stand together with our UK friends and vice versa. Just like we have in the past. They are our closest ally and neither one of us will allow the other to take a beating. They are the closest to us whether they like it or not .fadedsteve wrote:
My mentality is you either STAND FOR SOMETHING, OR FALL FOR EVERYTHING!!! Right now our "allies" are falling all over themselves. . . .
Easy buddy. I realize you don't realize the first goal here was achieved. The security of the 15 Brits was the priority. You want another war? I think that's pathetic.fadedsteve wrote:
He said something to the tune of we will never patrol that area again so as to not incite another crisis. . . . Even though they had the coordinates SHOWING they were indeed in Iraqi waters and not in Iranian.sergeriver wrote:
Blair didn't apologize.fadedsteve wrote:
No it wouldnt have been better if they killed the troops. . . .obviously
What sounds good to me is we (USA/UK/EU) stop putting up with Irans bullshit!! Essentially apologizing, and capitulating to the Iranians just gives em' another "get out of jail" free card. They look strong and assertive, while we look unorganized and weak.
I am not scared of Iran, I see what they really are, and thats just a bully. A bully that needs to get taught a lesson!
BN your right, Iran is not scared at all. . . .thats why they took the hostages KNOWING that the EU/UK would do NOTHING to challenge them!!! The Iranians are laughing their asses off at how big of pussies they are! Not too mention continuing the building of nukes without any hinderance. . .
Europe/UK are a joke, sorry!! They are. . . .
My buddy in England said, "You Yanks must be laughing and shaking your heads at what just happend". . .He is right I am shaking my head, but I am not laughing. . . .I am pissed that our "allies" have no balls to confront a criminal regime that has no plans on contributing positively to the world community at large.
My mentality is you either STAND FOR SOMETHING, OR FALL FOR EVERYTHING!!! Right now our "allies" are falling all over themselves. . . .
BBC:
He did not thank or address the Iranian president, but said to the Iranian people: "We bear you no ill will. On the contrary, we respect Iran as an ancient civilisation, as a nation with a proud and dignified history."
To me that says. . . "Thanks for letting our troops go, sorry we dont have the balls to tell you to go fuck yourselves!!"
Lets put it this way. . . .if a Venezuelan army patrol boat somehow drifted off course and landed in US soverign waters. . . chances are they would be escorted into international waters and left alone, NOT FUCKING TAKIN AS HOSTAGES!!! What Iran did is illegal and an act of war, and the fact you dont realize that is pathetic. . .
Were already stuck in two different Wars which we haven't even finished yet and here you call for us to start another, Hitler had the same problem fighting on too many fronts and look what happened there, we only have so many Troops, hell can't fight the world now can we.fadedsteve wrote:
No it wouldnt have been better if they killed the troops. . . .obviously
What sounds good to me is we (USA/UK/EU) stop putting up with Irans bullshit!! Essentially apologizing, and capitulating to the Iranians just gives em' another "get out of jail" free card. They look strong and assertive, while we look unorganized and weak.
I am not scared of Iran, I see what they really are, and thats just a bully. A bully that needs to get taught a lesson!
BN your right, Iran is not scared at all. . . .thats why they took the hostages KNOWING that the EU/UK would do NOTHING to challenge them!!! The Iranians are laughing their asses off at how big of pussies they are! Not too mention continuing the building of nukes without any hinderance. . .
Europe/UK are a joke, sorry!! They are. . . .
My buddy in England said, "You Yanks must be laughing and shaking your heads at what just happend". . .He is right I am shaking my head, but I am not laughing. . . .I am pissed that our "allies" have no balls to confront a criminal regime that has no plans on contributing positively to the world community at large.
My mentality is you either STAND FOR SOMETHING, OR FALL FOR EVERYTHING!!! Right now our "allies" are falling all over themselves. . . .
I dont disagree with that. . .Kmarion wrote:
Don't be such a doomsdayer my man. If shit ever really went down we would stand together with our UK friends and vice versa. Just like we have in the past. They are our closest ally and neither one of us will allow the other to take a beating. They are the closest to us whether they like it or not .fadedsteve wrote:
My mentality is you either STAND FOR SOMETHING, OR FALL FOR EVERYTHING!!! Right now our "allies" are falling all over themselves. . . .
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Couldnt have said it better. . . .CONFLICT IS INEVITABLE with Iran!!!!Sondernkommando wrote:
Oh, and for those who will bend over backwards (and forwards) to avoid war at any cost, understand that appeasement simply delays the inevitable...
So lets Bomb a country for saying they want a Nuclear Bomb, so how come we haven't taken out India, Pakistan, Israel, ETC........fadedsteve wrote:
Couldnt have said it better. . . .CONFLICT IS INEVITABLE with Iran!!!!Sondernkommando wrote:
Oh, and for those who will bend over backwards (and forwards) to avoid war at any cost, understand that appeasement simply delays the inevitable...
We will have no choice!! I would rather bomb their asses now before they get the "BOMB (nuclear weapon)"
Iran is the number one state sponsored supporter of terrorism. . .paranoid101 wrote:
So lets Bomb a country for saying they want a Nuclear Bomb, so how come we haven't taken out India, Pakistan, Israel, ETC........fadedsteve wrote:
Couldnt have said it better. . . .CONFLICT IS INEVITABLE with Iran!!!!Sondernkommando wrote:
Oh, and for those who will bend over backwards (and forwards) to avoid war at any cost, understand that appeasement simply delays the inevitable...
We will have no choice!! I would rather bomb their asses now before they get the "BOMB (nuclear weapon)"
I know Iran are up to no good, but all the world would see is us attacking another country without backing or a major reason, which in turn breeds more hatred for us and more recruits running to the flag or terrorism.
Hell its still a better reason then what we went into Iraq for.
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What a load of rot. The recent release of hostages has shown the diplomacy can work. Iran is not as pig headed as Saddam.fadedsteve wrote:
Couldnt have said it better. . . .CONFLICT IS INEVITABLE with Iran!!!!
We will have no choice!! I would rather bomb their asses now before they get the "BOMB (nuclear weapon)"
India and Israel are - globally speaking - reasonable democracies. Pakistan may not control their Pashtun regions, but they don't run around calling America the Great Satan, for Israel's liquidation, or kidnapping British soldiers.paranoid101 wrote:
So lets Bomb a country for saying they want a Nuclear Bomb, so how come we haven't taken out India, Pakistan, Israel, ETC........
Sorry link didn't work.fadedsteve wrote:
Iran is the number one state sponsored supporter of terrorism. . .paranoid101 wrote:
So lets Bomb a country for saying they want a Nuclear Bomb, so how come we haven't taken out India, Pakistan, Israel, ETC........fadedsteve wrote:
Couldnt have said it better. . . .CONFLICT IS INEVITABLE with Iran!!!!
We will have no choice!! I would rather bomb their asses now before they get the "BOMB (nuclear weapon)"
I know Iran are up to no good, but all the world would see is us attacking another country without backing or a major reason, which in turn breeds more hatred for us and more recruits running to the flag or terrorism.
Hell its still a better reason then what we went into Iraq for.
Iran is a state sponsorer of the official denial of the holocaust!
Iran is actively making their own nuclear weapon (to blackmail the west, and bomb Israel)
Pakistan, India are our "friends" now. . . they dont have ambitions to blow up a race of people!! They dont support state sponsored terrorism nor do they fund it!
Iraq was a mistake. . .we all can see that now. . .even though Saddam and his sons were psycho paths and terrorists. . . Iran however, was and still is the greater threat to American/European security. The question is what more does Iran have to do. . . honestly, what more does Iran need to do to provoke a conflict?
btw here is an article for you to read: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20070404/bs … 0744issues
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Interesting link and I agree Iran is most likely going to have to be dealt with, But this time it must be with full support of the UN, if not I can see other country being dragged into the War e.g. Russia, Israel, ETC... Then we have a Nuclear war on our hands without any winners.fadedsteve wrote:
The article link works now! sorry
We could bomb the fuck out of Iran and really hamper their capabilites to wage whatever it is they are trying to wage against the west. . . believe me, the US airforce is very capable of ripping them a new asshole!
Pakistan is holding onto a thread as far as letting the hardliners take over, I will give you that!
India is pretty passive, they dont want to start funk with us at all. . .
BN I am not advocating an invasion. . . I am advocating for a gargantuan allied strike on their military/nuclear/financial institutions. . .btw Diplomacy is not what its called, its called CAPITULATION and a lack of balls!!
here is the article again: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20070404/bs … 0744issues
I will say this again. . . Europe might not have any balls, but dont discount Israel from acting independently!! They are the closest ones to Iran, and on Irans ultimate shit list. . . Israel WILL NOT let Iran aquire a nuke, mark my words on that!
What exactly is the "full support of the UN" ? Everytime someone says UN, I get a little bit of bile built up in my mouth. . .paranoid101 wrote:
Interesting link and I agree Iran is most likely going to have to be dealt with, But this time it must be with full support of the UN, if not I can see other country being dragged into the War e.g. Russia, Israel, ETC... Then we have a Nuclear war on our hands without any winners.fadedsteve wrote:
The article link works now! sorry
We could bomb the fuck out of Iran and really hamper their capabilites to wage whatever it is they are trying to wage against the west. . . believe me, the US airforce is very capable of ripping them a new asshole!
Pakistan is holding onto a thread as far as letting the hardliners take over, I will give you that!
India is pretty passive, they dont want to start funk with us at all. . .
BN I am not advocating an invasion. . . I am advocating for a gargantuan allied strike on their military/nuclear/financial institutions. . .btw Diplomacy is not what its called, its called CAPITULATION and a lack of balls!!
here is the article again: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20070404/bs … 0744issues
I will say this again. . . Europe might not have any balls, but dont discount Israel from acting independently!! They are the closest ones to Iran, and on Irans ultimate shit list. . . Israel WILL NOT let Iran aquire a nuke, mark my words on that!
"btw Diplomacy is not what its called, its called CAPITULATION and a lack of balls!!" all I can say is thank fuck that this attitude wasn't in the Cuban missile crisis or I wouldn't be talking to you now. (yes I know that the US made the USSR back down with the threat of War, but there had to be taking to each other to end the Crisis)
I'm enjoying this debate haven't been posting much before, but its nice when two people from opposite side can have a debate and a damn good chat as wellfadedsteve wrote:
What exactly is the "full support of the UN" ? Everytime someone says UN, I get a little bit of bile built up in my mouth. . .paranoid101 wrote:
Interesting link and I agree Iran is most likely going to have to be dealt with, But this time it must be with full support of the UN, if not I can see other country being dragged into the War e.g. Russia, Israel, ETC... Then we have a Nuclear war on our hands without any winners.fadedsteve wrote:
The article link works now! sorry
We could bomb the fuck out of Iran and really hamper their capabilites to wage whatever it is they are trying to wage against the west. . . believe me, the US airforce is very capable of ripping them a new asshole!
Pakistan is holding onto a thread as far as letting the hardliners take over, I will give you that!
India is pretty passive, they dont want to start funk with us at all. . .
BN I am not advocating an invasion. . . I am advocating for a gargantuan allied strike on their military/nuclear/financial institutions. . .btw Diplomacy is not what its called, its called CAPITULATION and a lack of balls!!
here is the article again: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20070404/bs … 0744issues
I will say this again. . . Europe might not have any balls, but dont discount Israel from acting independently!! They are the closest ones to Iran, and on Irans ultimate shit list. . . Israel WILL NOT let Iran aquire a nuke, mark my words on that!
"btw Diplomacy is not what its called, its called CAPITULATION and a lack of balls!!" all I can say is thank fuck that this attitude wasn't in the Cuban missile crisis or I wouldn't be talking to you now. (yes I know that the US made the USSR back down with the threat of War, but there had to be taking to each other to end the Crisis)
Very good point!! Thank you for bringing up the Cuban missle crisis!
JFK basically said, we WILL unleash on your ass if you keep fucking with us! Guess what happened Kruschev said "Maybe, they mean business!". . . .no nukes, no more crisis! You proved my point! JFK had the balls to stand up to the Russians by threatening military force, and they backed down! The Brits in this case did not issue any ultimatums, no conditions whatsoever, the Iranians just dictated what happend. . . Consequently, Iran thinks they can get away with murder (which they do!) and nothing bad will happen (which hasnt happend yet).
A military threat should be issued to Iran regarding a creation of a home grown nuclear weapon. PERIOD
You created the weapon, then you get bombed as a result. . . nuff said! A penalty for something the whole world doesnt want them to own! Why is it so hard for Europe to stand for something?
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Seeing as your saying us getting our people back safe and sound was a pussies way out how would you have done it?fadedsteve wrote:
BN I am not advocating an invasion. . . I am advocating for a gargantuan allied strike on their military/nuclear/financial institutions. . .btw Diplomacy is not what its called, its called CAPITULATION and a lack of balls!!
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Man you're so full of shit it's coming out your earsfadedsteve wrote:
The troops may have been released, but at what cost. . . . ?
Britain looks weak. . . .pure and simple
They capitulated. . . .Tony Blair essentially apologized to the Iranians. . .
side note: Its flat out unbelievable that the EU turned its back on the Brits. . . .I am starting to wonder if Europe has ANY BALLS whatsoever?
The honest truth is Iran is even MORE emboldend than it was when the crisis started. The EU backed down, in turn so did the Brits, its really fucking pathetic. Iran looks like it mercifully gave the troops back because some how their "territorial waters" were infringed upon (so they gracefully gave the "aggressors" back to their home country). . . I am not surprized the Brits/EU pussed out. . . . .not one bit!
Iran does whatever it wants with ZERO consequences. . .lets see what happens when they get a nuke and drop it on someone. . .will Europe give them another pass? Or sack up and confront a long time criminal regime?
bottom line. . . .European politicians make me want to make a fucking bowel movement!
How munificent.CameronPoe wrote:
He apparently forgives the sailors and is releasing them as a gift to Britain!
Isn't that kinda like me punching my sister in the face and bringing her a bag of ice as a present?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
How munificent.CameronPoe wrote:
He apparently forgives the sailors and is releasing them as a gift to Britain!