BF2S Forums Diplomacy FTW!! (British Sailors Freed)

crimson_grunt wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

BN I am not advocating an invasion. . . I am advocating for a gargantuan allied strike on their military/nuclear/financial institutions. . .btw Diplomacy is not what its called, its called CAPITULATION and a lack of balls!!

Seeing as your saying us getting our people back safe and sound was a pussies way out how would you have done it?

Ok so we've sent your airstrikes in, Iran declare on TV that we have waged war against them and due to public demand the hostages have been executed.  Our prime minister has now declared hostile actions commence.  Whats our next move mr war planner?

Umm Iran basically declared war by taking hostages. . . .

Delaring war based on public demand?. . . How about declaring war because a criminal regime is beligerant and needs to be put in check before things get REALLY out of hand (which has already happend, but you pacifists have no clue that it has already occured).  Do we really need to lay out the case for the need for military action against this regime. . . If we werent already in Iraq, we would have already attacked these pricks! Either way, an attack WILL happen, whether its this summer or next year, or 3 years from now, Iran WILL be attacked as a result of their beligerance and flat out disregard for international mandates.


I would assume you have been listening to what the freed soldiers have said today. . .

They were mistreated, provoked, and coerced into false confessions. . .ALL ILLEGAL under international law! They essentially WERE ATTACKED!! They realized they didnt want to die in a hail of gunfire, and possibly start a war as a result of their deaths. . . .personally I cannot blame them for not fireing back (as it ended up being the right decision, as they are all alive).

Iran has suffered NOTHING as a result of killing US/UK personel in Iraq, funding/training terrorists, taking hostages, claiming the holocaust is a myth, and last but not least actively pursuing nuclear weapons.  What is next for Iran to do? They have already attacked us. . . . I guess it would take a nuke to be dropped on someone for the international community to act in a decisive manner. . . .

CameronPoe wrote:

Ahmedinejad is lettin' em go!

He apparently forgives the sailors and is releasing them as a gift to Britain! Sly dog!

Sources and details to follow.

What were those helpful tips from the hostage crisis in the late 70s/80s? Guess we won't be needing them after all...

As for the other suggestions people bandied about - attacking Iran - guess what? Israel tried that with Hezbollah: and guess who still hasn't got their men back? That's right - Israel. This is a victory for diplomacy over stupidity/warmongering.

Diplomacy FTW? Umm taking another countries military members hostage, and releasing them is what you call democracy? WTF?  I cant believe some people think this way, is reprehensible.

CameronPoe wrote:

As for the other suggestions people bandied about - attacking Iran - guess what? Israel tried that with Hezbollah: and guess who still hasn't got their men back? That's right - Israel. This is a victory for diplomacy over stupidity/warmongering.

That's because there was no men in the first place o.O

fadedsteve wrote:

Like GITMO. . . . .HUGE LOL!!! HUGE LOL!!!

Gimo is a 4 star hotel buddy. . . They get three meals a day, exercise, a Quran, time to pray, not too mention the weather is good (i.e. no cold prison cells).  Mistreated is HARDLY what I would call the prisoners at Gitmo!

So let me ask you this. . . .should we release these al-Qaeda prisoners out onto the street? How about the Gitmo bus drops them off in your neighborhood so they can live amongst you?? Would you be cool with that?

Well, you do live in Pakistan, I mean England. . . . sorry lol

side question: When is England going to be called the Islamic Republic of Great Britain??

LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER! pure and simple

Regardless of your opinion of gitmo it breaks international law.  So your argument that we should attack Iran cause they broke international law is bollocks.  Plain and simple.

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

Sorry I havent read through all 17 pages, but this forum is about "democracy in action." Specifically how Crazy Tom in Iran gave the UK an early Easter present...

What does GITMO have to do with this topic, and how is it breaking International Law?

Sorry mate its not about "democracy in action." its about "Diplomacy in action", just thought I should point that out.

Carry on.

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

Sorry I havent read through all 17 pages, but this forum is about "democracy in action." Specifically how Crazy Tom in Iran gave the UK an early Easter present...

What does GITMO have to do with this topic, and how is it breaking International Law?

One of your fellow Americans was demanding that we should have gone to war due to Iran's treatment of the hostages breaking international law.  Considering some of the people held in gitmo is in breach of the Geneva convention and therefore a breach of international law.  I was simply pointing out that you can't say something is an act of war when your own country says its acceptable when they do it.

crimson_grunt wrote:

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

Sorry I havent read through all 17 pages, but this forum is about "democracy in action." Specifically how Crazy Tom in Iran gave the UK an early Easter present...

What does GITMO have to do with this topic, and how is it breaking International Law?

One of your fellow Americans was demanding that we should have gone to war due to Iran's treatment of the hostages breaking international law.  Considering some of the people held in gitmo is in breach of the Geneva convention and therefore a breach of international law.  I was simply pointing out that you can't say something is an act of war when your own country says its acceptable when they do it.

So "Who" "Considers it" "Breaking Intl. Law?"  Umm interesting you "say" that, however it's not breaking Intl Law or Geneva Conventions Law...

EIDT: And if it "is breaking Intl law/ Geneva Conv. law" where are the facts regarding this?

Last edited by (T)eflon(S)hadow (2007-04-06 13:43:49)

Tested and found wanting. You will hear from them again.

CameronPoe wrote:

What were those helpful tips from the hostage crisis in the late 70s/80s? Guess we won't be needing them after all...

In all fairness, which nobody has mentioned at all during this ordeal.  He has been identified by female and male prisoners as being one of the students who took them hostage back then.  So the fear of some was not as far fetched as some of you make it out to be.

The only thing diplomacy has guaranteed is another attempt by iran to take hostages.

Good Job!

fadedsteve wrote:

Geneva Convention. . . .TERRORIST ARENT PROTECTED UNDER THE GENEVA CONVENTION!!!!!!!!!

Emm maybe the ones who are guilty aren't. 

"As of November 2006, according to MSNBC.com, out of 775 detainees who have been brought to Guantanamo, approximately 340 have been released

A U.N. panel said May 19 that holding detainees indefinitely at Guantanamo violated the world's ban on torture and the United States should close the detention center."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo … ntion_camp

LOL, you scream bloody murder because they were in "cold stone cells" yet you defend the right to use water boarding,white noise, beatings, humiliation etc on anyone who some pen pusher in the NSA suspects might be a terrorist, when half of them have been proven Innocent with more likely to come........can I pull the race card????

Damn us liberals and our crazy ideas about talking to people to resolve issues rather than throwing bombs around and making things worse. We should have resolved this the Repiblican way. That way Iran would have some nice shiny new free weapons next time they wanted to break international laws.

Republicans; selective memory FTW!

PureFodder wrote:

Damn us liberals and our crazy ideas about talking to people to resolve issues rather than throwing bombs around and making things worse. We should have resolved this the Repiblican way. That way Iran would have some nice shiny new free weapons next time they wanted to break international laws.

Republicans; selective memory FTW!

Yup, appeasement, surrender, negotiate, retreat...........all against terrorists and criminals, I absolutely love the liberal playbook.