I never had a problem with this, but the damage they have done are at the expense of our efforts as a nation, probably cost lives. What they have done goes well beyond politicsBertster7 wrote:
That's politics.lowing wrote:
I sure do know this, then explain if this is understood, why are/were the democrats bitching about failure in Iraq a month after we got there. After all solutions do not come overnight.Bertster7 wrote:
You're looking at it all the wrong way. These things are not complete solutions, but that does not stop them from being contributary factors for a solution. There is no quick instant win, the war is about perception and peoples preconceived notions do not change overnight (you should know all about that ).
Bitch about your opponents mistakes.
THey were greated as liberators, I remember the dancing the streets at the capture of saddam. The terrorists moved into the void and all hell broke loose. This is when the liberals started their bullshit about retreatingjonsimon wrote:
Probably because the republicans were already heralding victory? Esspecially since they had assured congress they would be "greeted as liberators". If my buddy says "Trust me, this is a great investment," I'm going to bitch when I lose my money.lowing wrote:
I sure do know this, then explain if this is understood, why are/were the democrats bitching about failure in Iraq a month after we got there. After all solutions do not come overnight.Bertster7 wrote:
You're looking at it all the wrong way. These things are not complete solutions, but that does not stop them from being contributary factors for a solution. There is no quick instant win, the war is about perception and peoples preconceived notions do not change overnight (you should know all about that ).
I will concede to this, I already know he was no saint.Bertster7 wrote:
The organisation under Begin were certainly responsible for attacks against civilians. I could go and find some lists if you really want. There were a massive number of terror strikes conducted against Arab civilian targets, such as bombs in marketplaces etc.lowing wrote:
Again a very strong argument, but was his actions against purposely targeted women and children or against military or state targets, where women and children got in the cross fire. Lets remember the terrorists are strapping bombs to kids to blow up shit now.Bertster7 wrote:
Well....
http://www.theamericancause.org/patterr … ghters.htm
There's even a book about him called "Menahem Begin, from freedom fighter to statesman"(ISBN:0884000516).
He also talks about himself as a freedom fighter during his Nobel prize speech in '78.
Or to get a feel of public opinion of him you could read the reviews for his book about his time as a terrorist/"freedom fighter"
I do however, bow to you meeting my challenge, and naming Begin. Good one.
I know I did not put this restriction on this topic when I challenged , but I was thinking along the mindset of something other than the Israel and Palestinian conflicts. That is a whole nother Jerry Springer Show unto itself.
Never any Jew on Jew stuff from Begin, except as collateral. There was a period later when less radical elements of the Jewish agency were trying to get rid of the Irgun and Begin was very specific about not retalliating.Kmarion wrote:
What about the amount of secretarian violence we see? Did he do any Jew on Jew stuff? (Honest question)Bertster7 wrote:
The organisation under Begin were certainly responsible for attacks against civilians. I could go and find some lists if you really want. There were a massive number of terror strikes conducted against Arab civilian targets, such as bombs in marketplaces etc.lowing wrote:
Again a very strong argument, but was his actions against purposely targeted women and children or against military or state targets, where women and children got in the cross fire. Lets remember the terrorists are strapping bombs to kids to blow up shit now
I do however, bow to you meeting my challenge, and naming Begin. Good one.
I'm sure Cameron (or some of the other Irish D&STers) could come up with a few Irish examples.lowing wrote:
I know I did not put this restriction on this topic when I challenged , but I was thinking along the mindset of something other than the Israel and Palestinian conflicts. That is a whole nother Jerry Springer Show unto itself.
RIRA's attack on Omagh town - men / women / children, one of the saddest days of many..
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lol-as will I. Do you prefer mohagany or oak for your mantle.UON wrote:
I'm now an enemy of the state? I couldn't help but smile. Don't worry, I'll save a space against the wall for you when the revolution comesrawls2 wrote:
That's it. I'm convinced beyond a doubt that Anti-American debaters are in bed with the enemy. Furthermore, you should now be considered the enemy as well. Fiight extremism with anger management classes? Seems that you all think the only way to combat terrorist is to provide a peachy, rose-filled enviroment were all the jihadis will abandon there fight against the west. Bunch of bullshit.
I suggest you leave this section. You are completely useless.FlamingDeath wrote:
I bet while u were in th retard club err i mean the army, you said things like yeeeehaaaawwww and giddyup
You and your buddies probably sang the roof is on fire, burn mofo, burn mofo, while families inside were being burnt to death, you americans are sick, and you dont even know it, which is totally amazing, your media has done a very good brainwashing job to make u think like they want u too. pawns, total pawns
You parents must be proud!, u have met both ur parents?
You'd really go to all that trouble for each and every person who falls into your definition of "anti-American"? All 5 billion or so? Hell, all us commie revolutionaries was planning to do was toss the neocons into a big pit and add a load of Iraqi-brand petrol and a match.rawls2 wrote:
lol-as will I. Do you prefer mohagany or oak for your mantle.UON wrote:
I'm now an enemy of the state? I couldn't help but smile. Don't worry, I'll save a space against the wall for you when the revolution comes
Well not all 5 billion. But I'd pick my favorites. Beside, it's not like I'm the only one that be stuffing prizes.UON wrote:
You'd really go to all that trouble for each and every person who falls into your definition of "anti-American"? All 5 billion or so? Hell, all us commie revolutionaries was planning to do was toss the neocons into a big pit and add a load of Iraqi-brand petrol and a match.rawls2 wrote:
lol-as will I. Do you prefer mohagany or oak for your mantle.UON wrote:
I'm now an enemy of the state? I couldn't help but smile. Don't worry, I'll save a space against the wall for you when the revolution comes
The question that begs to be asked: When will Iran do this again to releave pressure on their Nuclear program?
Actually this is a good point, that I did not think of........How many freedom fighter have blown up their own people in their own country?Bertster7 wrote:
Never any Jew on Jew stuff from Begin, except as collateral. There was a period later when less radical elements of the Jewish agency were trying to get rid of the Irgun and Begin was very specific about not retalliating.Kmarion wrote:
What about the amount of secretarian violence we see? Did he do any Jew on Jew stuff? (Honest question)Bertster7 wrote:
The organisation under Begin were certainly responsible for attacks against civilians. I could go and find some lists if you really want. There were a massive number of terror strikes conducted against Arab civilian targets, such as bombs in marketplaces etc.I'm sure Cameron (or some of the other Irish D&STers) could come up with a few Irish examples.lowing wrote:
I know I did not put this restriction on this topic when I challenged , but I was thinking along the mindset of something other than the Israel and Palestinian conflicts. That is a whole nother Jerry Springer Show unto itself.
You still win, but there is a difference between what we are talking about now, and Begin against Palestine
poor substitute for a backbone
your about a month late man