Of course he knew the US would support UK, so he tested the US.Kmarion wrote:
To some degree I guess. I think it was obvious that Britain took the lead on this side, it's not like anyone thought we wouldn't support them.sergeriver wrote:
And don't forget the sympathy he earned from all around the World. He tested the US as well.Kmarion wrote:
^^ That is what I meant when I said it couldn't have turned out better for Iran. Don't forget he was testing the British will as well. He will have a benchmark now to be able to gauge how far he might be able to go.
For one the likening of Muslims to mindless automatons. They're not people so we should just blow them all away...iphtnax wrote:
Rather than throwing the coverall, oh-so-offensive charge of 'bigot' around, perhaps you'd like to point out the errors in my statement.
What about Israel negotiating with Jordan and Egypt? Or the warming of relations between India and Pakistan? Turkey and Greece? The Serbians and Kosovars? Or you could reach all the way back in time to Saladin and Richard I of England.
Why test if he knew it..lolsergeriver wrote:
Of course he knew the US would support UK, so he tested the US.Kmarion wrote:
To some degree I guess. I think it was obvious that Britain took the lead on this side, it's not like anyone thought we wouldn't support them.sergeriver wrote:
And don't forget the sympathy he earned from all around the World. He tested the US as well.
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Yeah the US on the side of the HOSTAGES..........go figure.... what assholes we are.sergeriver wrote:
Of course he knew the US would support UK, so he tested the US.Kmarion wrote:
To some degree I guess. I think it was obvious that Britain took the lead on this side, it's not like anyone thought we wouldn't support them.sergeriver wrote:
And don't forget the sympathy he earned from all around the World. He tested the US as well.
I hope you didn't imply that from my post.lowing wrote:
Yeah the US on the side of the HOSTAGES..........go figure.... what assholes we are.sergeriver wrote:
Of course he knew the US would support UK, so he tested the US.Kmarion wrote:
To some degree I guess. I think it was obvious that Britain took the lead on this side, it's not like anyone thought we wouldn't support them.
He does make me laugh sometimes. He is quite charismatic - but he's also a dangerous nutter.lowing wrote:
I get the distinct impression that there are some of you, that are actually proud of this piece of shit, if not out right support him. Kinda scary. Ohhhhhh well.
His press conference was quite funny and I liked his banter with the soldiers before they were released.
"How have you found your compulsory vacation?"
lol.
I hear they are already planning next years event. There is supposed to be a barbecue followed up by a nice movie. (300 maybe?)Bertster7 wrote:
"How have you found your compulsory vacation?"
lol.
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Thats funny. He does one sensible act in his life and some people want to put him in for the Nobel Peace Prize.sergeriver wrote:
At least Ahmadinejad is letting 'em go home. He played like a chess master and now he will be listened more carefully when he talks at the UN.smtt686 wrote:
it took almost 2 weeks to fix what should have never happened in the first place.
Aside from that, he saw the blockade on its way and decided he would be finished if he did not do the right thing right away.
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Wow thats impressive. Wonder how many weeks it will have been in total when the iraq war is finally won.smtt686 wrote:
it took almost 2 weeks to fix what should have never happened in the first place.
now its over successfully and a number of people in here seem to think we handled it completely wrong using 20/20 vision what would you have done instead if you were in charge?
I think he doesn't deserve the Nobel Prize, but he did the right thing wether you like it or not.smtt686 wrote:
Thats funny. He does one sensible act in his life and some people want to put him in for the Nobel Peace Prize.sergeriver wrote:
At least Ahmadinejad is letting 'em go home. He played like a chess master and now he will be listened more carefully when he talks at the UN.smtt686 wrote:
it took almost 2 weeks to fix what should have never happened in the first place.
Aside from that, he saw the blockade on its way and decided he would be finished if he did not do the right thing right away.
In the end yes he did. Now if I decide to abduct a neighbor I don't think I should be applauded if I set them free two weeks later. I guess it comes down to whether or not they should have been taken in the first place.sergeriver wrote:
I think he doesn't deserve the Nobel Prize, but he did the right thing wether you like it or not.smtt686 wrote:
Thats funny. He does one sensible act in his life and some people want to put him in for the Nobel Peace Prize.sergeriver wrote:
At least Ahmadinejad is letting 'em go home. He played like a chess master and now he will be listened more carefully when he talks at the UN.
Aside from that, he saw the blockade on its way and decided he would be finished if he did not do the right thing right away.
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The right thing eventually.sergeriver wrote:
I think he doesn't deserve the Nobel Prize, but he did the right thing wether you like it or not.smtt686 wrote:
Thats funny. He does one sensible act in his life and some people want to put him in for the Nobel Peace Prize.sergeriver wrote:
At least Ahmadinejad is letting 'em go home. He played like a chess master and now he will be listened more carefully when he talks at the UN.
Aside from that, he saw the blockade on its way and decided he would be finished if he did not do the right thing right away.
Not quite as good.
Do you think he got the UK to get the US to release some Iranian prisoners captured in Iraq?sergeriver wrote:
I think he doesn't deserve the Nobel Prize, but he did the right thing wether you like it or not.
Kmarion and Berst, don't forget who we are talking about. He is from Iran, not the most moderate country at all. The whole World was scared of a possible war. So, we can say he did the right thing even if the detention was wrong. So, UK is lucky to have them back tomorrow.
I notice lowing seems a little annoyed that things went so well for Ahmedinijad and Iran today...
I was never his biggest fan and I have to admit when he started pinning medals on those Generals today I thought the whole situation was going to blow up in his face. I thought he was going to toughen his position and announce a trial but from the impossible hole he had found himself in he managed to dig himself out admirably and put on an impressive, if rather cynical, extravaganza for the world's media.
Turn on the news this evening and you'd be forgiven for thinking those 15 sailors were over on a civic visit. They look healthy, well-fed and I wonder ...did they bring those nice grey suits with them? And all this after it looked like the only solution was an embarrassing climb down from either side (essentially Iran did make an embarrassing climbdown but it's the way in which Ahmadinijad managed to spin it that was so skilful).
To those saying that it still doesn't justify what went before we must acknowledge that Ahmadinijad may not have been to blame directly for the sailors seizure if we are to believe the Republican Guard answer to the supreme leader (the Ayatollah) and not Ahmadinijad himself. Also the Shatt al-Arab waterway is still disputed so what Britain and the US recognise as Iraqi waters may not be accepted by Iran. Granted, it seems the regulations regarding treatment of a military vessel in International waters were violated but at the end of the day the sailors are returning home after a nice little holiday and all seems well.
I was never his biggest fan and I have to admit when he started pinning medals on those Generals today I thought the whole situation was going to blow up in his face. I thought he was going to toughen his position and announce a trial but from the impossible hole he had found himself in he managed to dig himself out admirably and put on an impressive, if rather cynical, extravaganza for the world's media.
Turn on the news this evening and you'd be forgiven for thinking those 15 sailors were over on a civic visit. They look healthy, well-fed and I wonder ...did they bring those nice grey suits with them? And all this after it looked like the only solution was an embarrassing climb down from either side (essentially Iran did make an embarrassing climbdown but it's the way in which Ahmadinijad managed to spin it that was so skilful).
To those saying that it still doesn't justify what went before we must acknowledge that Ahmadinijad may not have been to blame directly for the sailors seizure if we are to believe the Republican Guard answer to the supreme leader (the Ayatollah) and not Ahmadinijad himself. Also the Shatt al-Arab waterway is still disputed so what Britain and the US recognise as Iraqi waters may not be accepted by Iran. Granted, it seems the regulations regarding treatment of a military vessel in International waters were violated but at the end of the day the sailors are returning home after a nice little holiday and all seems well.
The analogy only really works if your child hangs around disputed International maritime boundaries on an armed ship?theelviscerator wrote:
If someone kidnapped my child, then expected me to thank them for giving them back, they got another thing coming.
Probably. Who knows? Maybe he saw the opportunity to make a circus about this and he did, but he scored big points, specially with the Muslim countries. He played in the big leagues and he didn't lose.Jet Blast wrote:
Do you think he got the UK to get the US to release some Iranian prisoners captured in Iraq?sergeriver wrote:
I think he doesn't deserve the Nobel Prize, but he did the right thing wether you like it or not.
Guys, I am glad you are happy, but I cannot be too excited until they are actually released.
They will be in UK tomorrow, he is not that stupid.Jet Blast wrote:
Guys, I am glad you are happy, but I cannot be too excited until they are actually released.
I think you are correct. I just want to use the counting chickens analogy.sergeriver wrote:
They will be in UK tomorrow, he is not that stupid.Jet Blast wrote:
Guys, I am glad you are happy, but I cannot be too excited until they are actually released.
Yup so when he finally gets it, it doesn't have to be in the faceJet Blast wrote:
Sounds like a mafia movie.sergeriver wrote:
Let's say they owe him a favor.Jet Blast wrote:
So what did somebody have to give them in exchange?
You think maybe we can get Osama to turn himself in with the use of diplomacy?
Osama is not the head of a sovereign nation so I don't think you'll have as much success, no.rawls2 wrote:
You think maybe we can get Osama to turn himself in with the use of diplomacy?
Starting wars in the Middle East worked so well.rawls2 wrote:
You think maybe we can get Osama to turn himself in with the use of diplomacy?
I'm not applauding him in the slightest he had no right to do it IMO and I'm hoping that government aren't going to just leave it at that. I am glad however that everyone involved kept their fingers of the missile launch buttons and let the charade play out instead of us having 15 more deaths and another senseless war in the ME.Kmarion wrote:
In the end yes he did. Now if I decide to abduct a neighbor I don't think I should be applauded if I set them free two weeks later. I guess it comes down to whether or not they should have been taken in the first place.
Why are you guys so concerned with the middle east bieng at war. When have they not? Was it diplomacy that ended the Iran-Iraq war?sergeriver wrote:
Starting wars in the Middle East worked so well.rawls2 wrote:
You think maybe we can get Osama to turn himself in with the use of diplomacy?
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